That's the whole trick isn't it? I mean one doesn't really know if your company of choice will be around next month, much less next year, or whether the investment will be worthwhile. As far as I'm concerned, AAPL is a once in a lifetime stock. I seriously doubt I'll ever see growth like it again.
Investors in Dell thought the same thing in the early 90s. Those in the late 90s were a little disappointed. Investors in MSFT thought they had a once in a lifetime stock in the late 80s to late 90s. They've been disappointed since.
Apple will follow the same pattern, and there will be plenty others to follow.
Investors in Dell thought the same thing in the early 90s. Those in the late 90s were a little disappointed. Investors in MSFT thought they had a once in a lifetime stock in the late 80s to late 90s. They've been disappointed since.
Apple will follow the same pattern, and there will be plenty others to follow.
As the songs states, "you've got to know when to hold'em know when to fold'em". Apple has plenty of room to grow with the Mobile OS X platform and to a lesser extent the Mac platform growth potential. If Apple only sold iPods I would have sold my stock by now as they would clearly be plateauing. Too many investors don't do enough research before buying.
I am looking for $200 solid this summer, $280 by Xmas, and a 2:1 split within 10 months. If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!
As the songs states, "you've got to know when to hold'em know when to fold'em". Apple has plenty of room to grow with the Mobile OS X platform and to a lesser extent the Mac platform growth potential.
I agree with you on that, but you need to be concerned not only with Apple, but also with AAPL.
At this point AAPL already reflects a rosy future for Apple in those areas, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm still holding mine, but I don't see nearly as nice of a future as I did when I bought it in the 60s a couple years ago. Shoulda bought more then, now I'm scanning for the next big growth stock.
Have you been involved in many IPOs? I thought for a while about investing in a sportswear company during the IPO phase, but decided against it because of the volatile, fleeting nature of fashions. Just too risky for me.
During the mid-late '90's, I was involved with quite a few. Not so many of late.
I wish I had bought then. At that point in my life I wasn't in the market. I think I had only been using a computer for about a year at that point.
I was dabbling with the idea of buying back in when it was a bit over $3, but chickened out. I waited three more years, and bought in mid 2004, at $16.93. I copped out, and only bought 5,000 shares. I should have bought the 10,000 I wanted to. I've bought more over time, but got less for the money.
The first thing I thought when I heard about the "Economic Stimulus Checks"... what a fraud.
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Oh, I agree with that, too. It's printing money, as far as I'm concerned. My child will be paying for this stunt for years to come, so I figure if I let her have a lot of time on our shiny, new MacBook, at least she'll feel like she got some benefit from the loan on which she's paying the interest.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that. PS: bought $2500 worth of APPL at $8, still holding.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that. PS: bought $2500 worth of APPL at $8, still holding.
Don't try to pretend that this country is unique in having these problems. Many other countries are much worse. In fact, we're considered to be far too harsh in our refusal to support everyone, no matter how much they don't want to work.
This is why Europe has so many problems with unemployment.
We're considered to be hard and cruel.
There are many people who have problems here that are beyond their ability to mitigate. The government has a duty to respond.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that. PS: bought $2500 worth of APPL at $8, still holding.
It doesn't really help when your country's recent and current presidents include a pot smoker who screwed anything that moved, and an ex-alcoholic (and possible former hard drug user).
It's not a funny subject. I could point to far greater problems elsewhere. I'm sure the people experiencing them would appreciate the laughter at their expense.
Don't try to pretend that this country is unique in having these problems. Many other countries are much worse. In fact, we're considered to be far too harsh in our refusal to support everyone, no matter how much they don't want to work.
This is why Europe has so many problems with unemployment.
We're considered to be hard and cruel.
There are many people who have problems here that are beyond their ability to mitigate. The government has a duty to respond.
...but the USA is the only country I'm required to pay taxes to in order to fund support for the non-working class.
I have no problem with supporting the deserving needy. But the cost of supporting those who could have been self-sufficient and choose not to be will eventually over-burden the system; it has in every instance I've ever heard of abroad.
I also have no concerns with being considered "hard and cruel" by other countries, or for that matter by people in the USA. As my immigrant grandfather used to say, " there's a place for every man in the world, even one who refuses to work. But if all you will do is lie down, don't complain when working men throw dirt in your face, for then all you can hope for are prayers be said over you."
It's not a funny subject. I could point to far greater problems elsewhere. I'm sure the people experiencing them would appreciate the laughter at their expense.
No, it's not a funny subject. But the public is led to believe that becoming a rock star or sports figure, or going on a game show is the only way out of poverty. That's frightening and sad.
You have a number of opinions that veer strongly toward socialism that I disagree with. Of course, we're both entitled to our opinions, but I cannot accept your point of view on that matter. I put far more trust in the public than the government to do the 'right' thing most of the time, including supporting our neighbors through volunteerism, donations, etc. I don't believe in the use of force to make people comply with someone else's demands, nor do I always believe the majority is right.
Hey, I could give you twenty. He didn't say that the stock price would double, just that he expects them to double.
May as well aim high!
Personally, I expect the next president to end global warming and solve the worlds hunger problems...
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"With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 - there has been no warming over the 12 months. But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No. The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming - the greenhouse effect." (italics added)
...but the USA is the only country I'm required to pay taxes to in order to fund support for the non-working class.
That's likely because you live here.
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I have no problem with supporting the deserving needy. But the cost of supporting those who could have been self-sufficient and choose not to be will eventually over-burden the system; it has in every instance I've ever heard of abroad.
I also have no concerns with being considered "hard and cruel" by other countries, or for that matter by people in the USA. As my immigrant grandfather used to say, " there's a place for every man in the world, even one who refuses to work. But if all you will do is lie down, don't complain when working men throw dirt in your face, for then all you can hope for are prayers be said over you."
I'm not interested in supporting those who game the system either. But over the years there have been any number of studies that have shown that it's far more expensive to increase oversight, that to keep doing it the way it's already being done.
I'd rather pay some who don't deserve it, than to take it away from many more who do.
It's like the death penalty to me. I don't particularly care that some get it if they deserve it, but I don't like the fact that innocent people get it as well.
No, it's not a funny subject. But the public is led to believe that becoming a rock star or sports figure, or going on a game show is the only way out of poverty. That's frightening and sad.
You have a number of opinions that veer strongly toward socialism that I disagree with. Of course, we're both entitled to our opinions, but I cannot accept your point of view on that matter. I put far more trust in the public than the government to do the 'right' thing most of the time, including supporting our neighbors through volunteerism, donations, etc. I don't believe in the use of force to make people comply with someone else's demands, nor do I always believe the majority is right.
I'm not a socialist. I just like to be fair.
I voted for Nixon twice, and Reagan twice. I'm pragmatic.
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So you're worth millions now, right?
I wish I had bought then. At that point in my life I wasn't in the market. I think I had only been using a computer for about a year at that point.
That's the whole trick isn't it? I mean one doesn't really know if your company of choice will be around next month, much less next year, or whether the investment will be worthwhile. As far as I'm concerned, AAPL is a once in a lifetime stock. I seriously doubt I'll ever see growth like it again.
Investors in Dell thought the same thing in the early 90s. Those in the late 90s were a little disappointed. Investors in MSFT thought they had a once in a lifetime stock in the late 80s to late 90s. They've been disappointed since.
Apple will follow the same pattern, and there will be plenty others to follow.
Investors in Dell thought the same thing in the early 90s. Those in the late 90s were a little disappointed. Investors in MSFT thought they had a once in a lifetime stock in the late 80s to late 90s. They've been disappointed since.
Apple will follow the same pattern, and there will be plenty others to follow.
As the songs states, "you've got to know when to hold'em know when to fold'em". Apple has plenty of room to grow with the Mobile OS X platform and to a lesser extent the Mac platform growth potential. If Apple only sold iPods I would have sold my stock by now as they would clearly be plateauing. Too many investors don't do enough research before buying.
I am looking for $200 solid this summer, $280 by Xmas, and a 2:1 split within 10 months. If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!
As the songs states, "you've got to know when to hold'em know when to fold'em". Apple has plenty of room to grow with the Mobile OS X platform and to a lesser extent the Mac platform growth potential.
I agree with you on that, but you need to be concerned not only with Apple, but also with AAPL.
At this point AAPL already reflects a rosy future for Apple in those areas, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm still holding mine, but I don't see nearly as nice of a future as I did when I bought it in the 60s a couple years ago. Shoulda bought more then, now I'm scanning for the next big growth stock.
Have you been involved in many IPOs? I thought for a while about investing in a sportswear company during the IPO phase, but decided against it because of the volatile, fleeting nature of fashions. Just too risky for me.
During the mid-late '90's, I was involved with quite a few. Not so many of late.
Congratulations! And what was the stock at back then?
Nah. I owned a big chunk of Apple in the '90's as well. Made a lot of money with it too.
But I had to dump it in '99, like about every other stock. If he kept it, he would have taken a big bath.
I wish I had bought then. At that point in my life I wasn't in the market. I think I had only been using a computer for about a year at that point.
I was dabbling with the idea of buying back in when it was a bit over $3, but chickened out. I waited three more years, and bought in mid 2004, at $16.93. I copped out, and only bought 5,000 shares. I should have bought the 10,000 I wanted to. I've bought more over time, but got less for the money.
Not that I'm complaining.
The first thing I thought when I heard about the "Economic Stimulus Checks"... what a fraud.
Oh, I agree with that, too. It's printing money, as far as I'm concerned. My child will be paying for this stunt for years to come, so I figure if I let her have a lot of time on our shiny, new MacBook, at least she'll feel like she got some benefit from the loan on which she's paying the interest.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that.
Don't try to pretend that this country is unique in having these problems. Many other countries are much worse. In fact, we're considered to be far too harsh in our refusal to support everyone, no matter how much they don't want to work.
This is why Europe has so many problems with unemployment.
We're considered to be hard and cruel.
There are many people who have problems here that are beyond their ability to mitigate. The government has a duty to respond.
As far as my current earnings go, it's not a fraud at all, but a one-time return of some of the excessive taxes I had to pay for 2007.
When they talk about giving rebates and incentives to people who won't work as hard for a good life as I have, that's government waste. Every day I hear about the plight of the "working poor" as though not a single one ever made a bad decision to leave school or not use personal education to it's fullest. America has so many people screaming for help who had opportunity to learn and grow, but chose to drop out or underperform in their early school years because school was boring to them, or they wanted to enjoy the small-change benefits of a job at 16 rather than study algebra.
We're seeing the consequence of a lot of people making bad decisions: getting pregnant at 15, dropping out to make money so you can have a car to run around in, skipping school to get high. Then the government thinks we should invest billions to prop up these people who think the American dream is a flat screen TV with satellite, a motorized toy that sucks money and spews toxins, and an all-you can eat buffet. And why? Because every four years these under-achievers will get off their recliners to vote for another liar who promises them more of the same, while convincing them the educated, smarter workers of the country are all white-collar criminals trying to "keep them down."
EDIT: ...but I'm not bitter about that.
It doesn't really help when your country's recent and current presidents include a pot smoker who screwed anything that moved, and an ex-alcoholic (and possible former hard drug user).
There's a couple of great examples for the kids.
There are many people who have problems here that are beyond their ability to mitigate. The government has a duty to respond.
There's always American Idol.
There's always American Idol.
It's not a funny subject. I could point to far greater problems elsewhere. I'm sure the people experiencing them would appreciate the laughter at their expense.
Don't try to pretend that this country is unique in having these problems. Many other countries are much worse. In fact, we're considered to be far too harsh in our refusal to support everyone, no matter how much they don't want to work.
This is why Europe has so many problems with unemployment.
We're considered to be hard and cruel.
There are many people who have problems here that are beyond their ability to mitigate. The government has a duty to respond.
...but the USA is the only country I'm required to pay taxes to in order to fund support for the non-working class.
I have no problem with supporting the deserving needy. But the cost of supporting those who could have been self-sufficient and choose not to be will eventually over-burden the system; it has in every instance I've ever heard of abroad.
I also have no concerns with being considered "hard and cruel" by other countries, or for that matter by people in the USA. As my immigrant grandfather used to say, " there's a place for every man in the world, even one who refuses to work. But if all you will do is lie down, don't complain when working men throw dirt in your face, for then all you can hope for are prayers be said over you."
It's not a funny subject. I could point to far greater problems elsewhere. I'm sure the people experiencing them would appreciate the laughter at their expense.
No, it's not a funny subject. But the public is led to believe that becoming a rock star or sports figure, or going on a game show is the only way out of poverty. That's frightening and sad.
You have a number of opinions that veer strongly toward socialism that I disagree with. Of course, we're both entitled to our opinions, but I cannot accept your point of view on that matter. I put far more trust in the public than the government to do the 'right' thing most of the time, including supporting our neighbors through volunteerism, donations, etc. I don't believe in the use of force to make people comply with someone else's demands, nor do I always believe the majority is right.
Hey, I could give you twenty. He didn't say that the stock price would double, just that he expects them to double.
May as well aim high!
Personally, I expect the next president to end global warming and solve the worlds hunger problems...
"With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 - there has been no warming over the 12 months. But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No. The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming - the greenhouse effect." (italics added)
The American Thinker
The Australian
...but the USA is the only country I'm required to pay taxes to in order to fund support for the non-working class.
That's likely because you live here.
I have no problem with supporting the deserving needy. But the cost of supporting those who could have been self-sufficient and choose not to be will eventually over-burden the system; it has in every instance I've ever heard of abroad.
I also have no concerns with being considered "hard and cruel" by other countries, or for that matter by people in the USA. As my immigrant grandfather used to say, " there's a place for every man in the world, even one who refuses to work. But if all you will do is lie down, don't complain when working men throw dirt in your face, for then all you can hope for are prayers be said over you."
I'm not interested in supporting those who game the system either. But over the years there have been any number of studies that have shown that it's far more expensive to increase oversight, that to keep doing it the way it's already being done.
I'd rather pay some who don't deserve it, than to take it away from many more who do.
It's like the death penalty to me. I don't particularly care that some get it if they deserve it, but I don't like the fact that innocent people get it as well.
No, it's not a funny subject. But the public is led to believe that becoming a rock star or sports figure, or going on a game show is the only way out of poverty. That's frightening and sad.
You have a number of opinions that veer strongly toward socialism that I disagree with. Of course, we're both entitled to our opinions, but I cannot accept your point of view on that matter. I put far more trust in the public than the government to do the 'right' thing most of the time, including supporting our neighbors through volunteerism, donations, etc. I don't believe in the use of force to make people comply with someone else's demands, nor do I always believe the majority is right.
I'm not a socialist. I just like to be fair.
I voted for Nixon twice, and Reagan twice. I'm pragmatic.
...nor do I always believe the majority is right.
As Mac users I don't think any of us believe the majority is right.
I'm not a socialist. I just like to be fair.
I voted for Nixon twice, and Reagan twice. I'm pragmatic.
I understand your point of view.
As Mac users I don't think any of us believe the majority is right.