It's funny how on one hand Greenpeace is yelling about displays containing mercury but on the other they want everyone to move to CFLs for lighting your home.
There is a lot more mercury in all those CFL light bulbs that the amount in the CCFLs use for backlights.
But then who ever said that greenpeace knew what the hell they were talking about in the first place.
The average CFL bulb has about 4 ml of mercury. The amount of mercury that would be released in the process of burning coal to provide the extra power to use an incandescent is about 12 ml. So even if the bulb is thrown away, that is still 8 ml less mercury being released into the environment. If the CFL is properly recycled, virtually none of the mercury in the bulb will be released.
Hence, my statemnt of POV. Laden can also mean burdened or encumbered which doesn't imply a quantity, just an undesired attribute. Personally, I wouldn't have used laden as the colloquial definition tends to imply a vast amount of something, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect.
I'll concede the point to the distinguished gentleman.
How long will it take for the rest of the industry to switch?
I'd say it'lll take several years before they completely switch. We have to take Dell's and HP's cheapest notebook and then figure out how old the tech is. Then figure out how much they are paying for the current display and then figure out how long it will take for LED BLU to come close ot that pricepoint. At least, that is how I'd try to figure it.
The average CFL bulb has about 4 ml of mercury. The amount of mercury that would be released in the process of burning coal to provide the extra power to use an incandescent is about 12 ml. So even if the bulb is thrown away, that is still 8 ml less mercury being released into the environment. If the CFL is properly recycled, virtually none of the mercury in the bulb will be released.
CFLs bulbs may be greener, but they introduce more poisons into the home when you replace incandescents with CFLs. Of course, even I have started to use CFLs, but I don't have little kids around the home.
I wonder if eventually we could have LED bulbs lighting our homes. I have seen them for outside security lighting.
I won't/can't use CFLs at home since most can't be dimmed. On the other hand CCFL can be dimmed and last 4 times as long as CFLs. LEDs will be the best once the price comes down.
The only comment I would wish to offer is that of someone who has had their life changed, forever, it seems, by mercury poisoning. I speak, not as a tech geek, an engineer, or an academic--but, as one who has suffered.
Whatever anyone, whether individuals or corporations, is willing to do to minimize the amount of mercury, and other toxic chemicals we are all exposed to in the environment--I applaud them.
Before my ordeal, I never looked at food, water, soil, and air, as invaders and potential adversaries, but I do now.
Arguing over the amount of mercury, it seems to me, is a useless distraction. Rather, spend the energy encouraging all those have choice in the matter, to do better. As consumers, we must do all we can to hold them accountable.
And, with the energy that remains--spend it on compassion for those whom the environmental fallout has proven less than benign.
The only comment I would wish to offer is that of someone who has had their life changed, forever, it seems, by mercury poisoning. I speak, not as a tech geek, an engineer, or an academic--but, as one who has suffered.
Of course! No one is in favor of mercury usage! It's a well-known toxin. Clearly, it came down to dollars vs. damages when the engineering went into these things originally. Ridding displays of mercury will be a welcome, overdue change.
Of course! No one is in favor of mercury usage! It's a well-known toxin. Clearly, it came down to dollars vs. damages when the engineering went into these things originally. Ridding displays of mercury will be a welcome, overdue change.
Exactly. Which is why I do my part to rid homes I visit of harmful mercury thermometers by dumping the mercury down the drain where it can't hurt anyone.
Of course! No one is in favor of mercury usage! It's a well-known toxin. Clearly, it came down to dollars vs. damages when the engineering went into these things originally. Ridding displays of mercury will be a welcome, overdue change.
Mercury is awesomeness in every way, I beg to differ. Steel floats on it. It tells you what your body temperature is. It makes an awesome fluid electrical contact in my thermostat.
STELL FLOATS on it. if that ain't a party, I don't know what is.
Exactly. Which is why I do my part to rid homes I visit of harmful mercury thermometers by dumping the mercury down the drain where it can't hurt anyone.
Hopefully they'll finally solve the "white spot" issues back from as early as the Powerbook days. I've got some on my MBP that i'll be turning over to Apple through Applecare shortly.
"All of its displays by the end of 2008" would lead me to believe that we might actually see a Cinema Display upgrade soon. Hell it's way overdue.
Nope..read carefully :
"Apple plans for all of its MacBooks to use LED-backlit displays by 2009"
So what about CinemaDisplays?
"Our ability to completely eliminate fluorescent lamps in ALL of our displays depends on how fast the LCD industry can transition to LED backlighting for larger displays."
IE: Once the industry can make 23-30" LED displays for roughly the same price as the CinemaDisplays are, then Apple will switch. Currently, large LED displays are front page CES fodder...costing a ton more than regular ones.
I bet new cinemadisplays in 2009-1010 some time. Basically, wait until most other companys are primarily selling LED displays (dell, samsung, etc) and THEN apple will release their own.
Why is it that the LCD TV manufacturers are able to produce 40" 1080p LED-backlit TVs for a few hundred more than the 30" Cinema Display? Are they cutting corners somewhere?
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It's funny how on one hand Greenpeace is yelling about displays containing mercury but on the other they want everyone to move to CFLs for lighting your home.
There is a lot more mercury in all those CFL light bulbs that the amount in the CCFLs use for backlights.
But then who ever said that greenpeace knew what the hell they were talking about in the first place.
The average CFL bulb has about 4 ml of mercury. The amount of mercury that would be released in the process of burning coal to provide the extra power to use an incandescent is about 12 ml. So even if the bulb is thrown away, that is still 8 ml less mercury being released into the environment. If the CFL is properly recycled, virtually none of the mercury in the bulb will be released.
Mercury Laden = Bin Laden. They're messin' with us.
Hence, my statemnt of POV. Laden can also mean burdened or encumbered which doesn't imply a quantity, just an undesired attribute. Personally, I wouldn't have used laden as the colloquial definition tends to imply a vast amount of something, but that doesn't mean it's incorrect.
I'll concede the point to the distinguished gentleman.
"Mercury laden"?
Mercury Laden = Bin Laden. They're messin' with us.
Are there any models besides this random Dell laptop that came up in my cursory Google search?
How long will it take for the rest of the industry to switch?
I'd say it'lll take several years before they completely switch. We have to take Dell's and HP's cheapest notebook and then figure out how old the tech is. Then figure out how much they are paying for the current display and then figure out how long it will take for LED BLU to come close ot that pricepoint. At least, that is how I'd try to figure it.
The average CFL bulb has about 4 ml of mercury. The amount of mercury that would be released in the process of burning coal to provide the extra power to use an incandescent is about 12 ml. So even if the bulb is thrown away, that is still 8 ml less mercury being released into the environment. If the CFL is properly recycled, virtually none of the mercury in the bulb will be released.
CFLs bulbs may be greener, but they introduce more poisons into the home when you replace incandescents with CFLs. Of course, even I have started to use CFLs, but I don't have little kids around the home.
I wonder if eventually we could have LED bulbs lighting our homes. I have seen them for outside security lighting.
Whatever anyone, whether individuals or corporations, is willing to do to minimize the amount of mercury, and other toxic chemicals we are all exposed to in the environment--I applaud them.
Before my ordeal, I never looked at food, water, soil, and air, as invaders and potential adversaries, but I do now.
Arguing over the amount of mercury, it seems to me, is a useless distraction. Rather, spend the energy encouraging all those have choice in the matter, to do better. As consumers, we must do all we can to hold them accountable.
And, with the energy that remains--spend it on compassion for those whom the environmental fallout has proven less than benign.
Thanks for your post.
The only comment I would wish to offer is that of someone who has had their life changed, forever, it seems, by mercury poisoning. I speak, not as a tech geek, an engineer, or an academic--but, as one who has suffered.
By what method did you get mercury poisoning?
Thanks for having the presence of mind to remind everyone why this is important. It adds a dimension to the topic that is rarely touched on.
Of course! No one is in favor of mercury usage! It's a well-known toxin. Clearly, it came down to dollars vs. damages when the engineering went into these things originally. Ridding displays of mercury will be a welcome, overdue change.
Exactly. Which is why I do my part to rid homes I visit of harmful mercury thermometers by dumping the mercury down the drain where it can't hurt anyone.
Of course! No one is in favor of mercury usage! It's a well-known toxin. Clearly, it came down to dollars vs. damages when the engineering went into these things originally. Ridding displays of mercury will be a welcome, overdue change.
Mercury is awesomeness in every way, I beg to differ. Steel floats on it. It tells you what your body temperature is. It makes an awesome fluid electrical contact in my thermostat.
STELL FLOATS on it. if that ain't a party, I don't know what is.
Exactly. Which is why I do my part to rid homes I visit of harmful mercury thermometers by dumping the mercury down the drain where it can't hurt anyone.
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"All of its displays by the end of 2008" would lead me to believe that we might actually see a Cinema Display upgrade soon. Hell it's way overdue.
Nope..read carefully :
"Apple plans for all of its MacBooks to use LED-backlit displays by 2009"
So what about CinemaDisplays?
"Our ability to completely eliminate fluorescent lamps in ALL of our displays depends on how fast the LCD industry can transition to LED backlighting for larger displays."
IE: Once the industry can make 23-30" LED displays for roughly the same price as the CinemaDisplays are, then Apple will switch. Currently, large LED displays are front page CES fodder...costing a ton more than regular ones.
I bet new cinemadisplays in 2009-1010 some time. Basically, wait until most other companys are primarily selling LED displays (dell, samsung, etc) and THEN apple will release their own.
Gimme new Cinema Displays. Dammit.