None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones.
Well the numbers tell a different story. Someone already posted the numbers for the UK, for Germany I have these numbers:
Every German sends approx. 300 SMS per year.
Every German sends approx. 0.5 MMS per year.
Only 1% people pay for mobile data services is for sending MMS.
I don't have numbers for any other countries, but I'm quite sure that they're pretty similar. And you're telling me that MMS is popular? Not really. I've sent ONE MMS in my whole life, just for the sake of it, and the recipient (my girlfriend's cell phone) wouldn't display it correctly. So we're talking about convenience. MMS doesn't really work. All people I know that have cell phones tell me they don't use MMS because it doesn't really work. Cell phones either fail to display it correctly or they can't display it at all. There are EIGHT MMS protocols out there (MM1 trough MM8) and you never know which version your cell phone supports.
Hi, some people have installed the 2.1 update but have not been able to find the Genius function on their iphones.
I think the problem is that you have to enable it in iTunes first (by clicking the Genius button, then waiting a long while for it dig through your songs), then sync your iPhone, which will be able to have new Genius information. After that, the Genius playlist will show up as the first playlist, and while you are playing a song, a Genius icon will appear when you tap the screen.
The reason for this explanation is that I also experienced no Genius functionality when I first installed 2.1. I was very impatient and wanted to experience 'teh snappy' right away. I found the Genius button in iTunes, but when it was taking a long, long time to progress, I cancelled it and said "hell no!" However, after I started playing around with my iPod touch, there was no sign of Genius. I plugged it back in, let iTunes chug through its Genius fact-finding tour, and then synced again. After this second sync, Genius showed up in the playlists.
Actually, my experience was that the Genius icon was on the phone from the moment I updated to 2.1, but it wasn't activated (needed to be started in iTunes). I have tried the process of starting Genius in iTunes 3 times, and each time it has crashed iTunes. I did all of the usual stuff (restart, reinstall iTunes 8, permissions repair, etc). I'm running 10.4.11 on a MDD dual G4, everything up to date, maxxed out on RAM, etc., so I don't think this related to a system issue. Anyone else having crash issues with Genius?
You could scroll while loading in 2.0.1 -- just checked.
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Yes, sorry to be unclear. What I meant was that when trying to do it before 2.1 it was very erratic (on my iPhone at least). Often the page refused to move or moved just a short distance before stopping.
battery life seems to be same, 50 mins of talking 30 mins of browsing and day of standby battery drained in the night. (btw i restarted and recharged completely after the upgrade)... will monitor today ...
It is astounding that attitude that some people take toward MMS...
Some feel that simply because they don't use it, it must not be very popular. Others are waging a dogmatic and political smear campaign because they feel the business model is unjust. Then there is the crowd that offers up hopelessly cumbersome workarounds. Finally there are the theoretical arguments which take the long term view, wanting to replace MMS with something better.
None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones. While apple may eventually replace it with something just as easy to use and superior in other ways as well, that doesn't help in the here and now. It doesn't help people who actually want to send and receive pictures to their friends and coworkers... today.
Yes, much the same argument was made regarding Compuserve and AOL not needing email gateways to the general internet. Today we regard those people as having been hopelessly backwards and limited.
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Please don't reply by suggesting workarounds involving email and gateways and etc... While I have degrees in CS and manage server rooms, none of the people I'm communicating with have those credentials. Their expertise is elsewhere. If I were to send any of them a MMS, they'd receive and view it with no training or difficulty. It is unfortunate that is impossible without wasting a bunch of time. If I were to email a picture, they wouldn't see it until later in the day or even later in the week. If they were to send me an MMS, i'd have to use a pencil and paper to view it.
You again missed the point. iPhone email -> SMS. You email, they get it *ON THEIR PHONE*, and they get immediately. From their end, reception of an SMS looks *EXACTLY THE SAME*. There is no difference. There is no CS degree required. I send my brother 140char emails to his phone all the time - he never knows the difference, other than the sending number isn't mine. Just select their phone email address and send. It's just like regular email from your end, just like regular SMS from theirs. If that's too complicated for anyone... I dunno, perhaps they shouldn't be using SMS. "OMG! It's just like before! It's *blowing my mind*!"
For them to send you an email, show them how to do it from their phone - hell, just teach them how to send an email to anyone. I have yet to meet someone who didn't think it wasn't the slickest thing. "You mean I can *do that*?" Show them how to save a template with your email address, and use that as the seed instead of your phone number. (Who punches in a phone number? Almost no one - you save it, you look it up. Looking up a pre-saved gateway address is just as simple.)
No one has to do anything different to receive anything from you.
To send to you, they just have to select a different phone number entry from your contact.
Hmm, maybe you're right, that's *entirely* too complicated for people.
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Lack of MMS is a huge shortcoming. It may pay off in the long run if apple succeeds in switching the industry over to something better. That is a quite debatable subject. But what can't be argued is that the lack of this functionality is preventing iPhone users from joining the rest of mobile phone users in conveniently sharing pictures with each other.
No, it's not. Lack of information about how to use send email to an SMS account is the problem. The phone is fine. MMS is not. It's a horrible kludge that is being used as a scam.
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This isn't a theoretical assertion. It is the way things are today, not tomorrow, but today. iPhone users are not sending pictures to other phones.
Bollocks. I send them from my Mac, through email. I get them on my Mac, through email. An email client is an email client.
Only ignorance of how to append the carrier domain to the recipient's phone number is preventing iPhone users from doing so. Ignorance is easy to fix, as long as it's not willful ignorance.
And yes, I've heard the "ZOMG, I have to ask them their carrier *too*?" response. Uh, yes, just like you have to ask them their domain for the email. How ever do we survive doing that, I wonder?
Here's a quick solution: set up some email templates that massage your email address into the form needed for various carriers. (What's the most there, half a dozen for most people?) When someone asks you for your phone #, send it and the template for their carrier. (After all, you did ask for their carrier, right?) They save the info just like they would any other phone #, and voila. Their work is done. Now they have all the info to MMS to you, and they had to do no more than they would otherwise. You sent it, they saved it, they use it. Done.
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iPhone users aren't jumping through the hoops to receive pictures from other phones.
Because no hoops are needed to be jumped through. It's right there in your email.
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I still love my iPhone. But let's be honest about this shortcoming.
It's only a shortcoming if you refuse to recognize that there's really little difference other than how you look up the address for an email, or a phone number, from an address book. This isn't complicated, it's not some arcane workaround. It's simple, straightforward, and turns the knife just that little bit more on SMS.
Hell, who's up for writing a tiny little app for the iPhone that hooks into the Contacts DB and lets you select the carrier when you enter a phone number, so you get the corresponding email gateway info entered in as an email address marked 'SMS/MMS', automatically? Couldn't be simpler in that case - ask them for their phone #, ask them for their carrier, pick from the pop-up list, it creates the entry *and* creates the proper return template for that carrier, and sends to them. They save, and you're both done.
Anyway, it's obvious you're never going to convince me that MMS is a necessary feature, and I'm never going to convince you that there are alternatives that don't require advanced technical skills... the carrier marketing is apparently pretty good. How about we skip this topic, and get back to the iPhone 2.1 update?
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
Thanks a lot.
Geov
have you tried restarting the iPhone after upgrade?
one more work around, turn on airplane mode and turn off again ...
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
This was posted however specifically for a windows user. And before people complain, windows people use iPhones too. And mac's aren't perfect, there are some benefits of having windows, don't be so naive. I just prefer to deal with apples faults, than windows.
I agree with you and this one of the reasons I have Windows on my Mac. There are some engineering programs that are not available on Mac. Those programs usually cost $7000 to $10,000 a copy and they are a must in my profession. The good thing is that I don't have to buy them, they are provided for my for free
Anyway...Update feedback! I am glad that for me it seemed to go fairly stress free on my install but I have to say....I don't really notice any difference except backup is indeed faster.
Contacts load time have never really been a problem and text messages take as long to load as they always have. I've never had a problem with dropped calls but I still get the "error sending message" occassionally when I send texts. There are a few new options which is great but I haven't needed any of them yet!
I like Genius and I think someone else commented the same when I say it has made me rediscover my music library and songs I had forgotten.
Most annoying for me is that battery life is exactly the same, I haven't noticed it any better! Although I would be interested to know what "...Significantly better battery life for most users..." actually means....who are the users???
All in all I hope that now on the whole from what I have seen from feedback we are on a playing field now where things "appear" to be more stable, hopefully we can start to see some features that everyone has been asking for and start increasing functionality!
Also wondering about battery life - it's about the same, though I'm relieved it doesn't seem to be any worse. I'll have to wait until Monday when I'm back in the office before I know if there's been any improvement in the 3g reception (fortunately I've always had great reception at home & around my neighborhood) - I'm hoping for it to have an easier time finding 3g after it drops off (70% of the time I have force it by turning 3g on and off).
The 2.1 upgrade fixed my accelerator problems. I have seen little attention to this problem--maybe not so many have had it--but now the accelerator works all the time and I am ecstatic.
i restarted my phone and still I only have the edge network...
Turning it off and then back on it not a hard reset.
Hold both the "Home" button and the button at the top(the one that turns the display on/off) until it shuts off and you see the Apple logo appear. That is a hard reset and should fix your issue.
is APPLE paying off people to post 'good' things about this update to confuse us??
I knew i should've waited - but since i read the post in here - i thought well Heck i needed to update and ITS WORSE!!!!! URRRRRRRRRGH i am getting so mad at APPLE ... Steve J. are you reading the blogs and the post in here???? its NOT better... its worse... my phone is acting like a Windows PC running 'OS '98
i want to get a verizon phone now i hear its better recept and just works or maybe a dare i dunno-- they better fix this crap and FAST. They are losing a real APPLE HARD CORE FAN , i usually defend APPLE products but i am getting more & more disillusioned with my 3rd iphone replacement so far ---
DON"T UPDATE I WARN YOU.... wait until they review this on the blogs and other post here.... so, so unhappy with my i-phone--- yea and please don't tell me to return it and get my $$$ back --
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None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones.
Well the numbers tell a different story. Someone already posted the numbers for the UK, for Germany I have these numbers:
Every German sends approx. 300 SMS per year.
Every German sends approx. 0.5 MMS per year.
Only 1% people pay for mobile data services is for sending MMS.
I don't have numbers for any other countries, but I'm quite sure that they're pretty similar. And you're telling me that MMS is popular? Not really. I've sent ONE MMS in my whole life, just for the sake of it, and the recipient (my girlfriend's cell phone) wouldn't display it correctly. So we're talking about convenience. MMS doesn't really work. All people I know that have cell phones tell me they don't use MMS because it doesn't really work. Cell phones either fail to display it correctly or they can't display it at all. There are EIGHT MMS protocols out there (MM1 trough MM8) and you never know which version your cell phone supports.
Hi, some people have installed the 2.1 update but have not been able to find the Genius function on their iphones.
I think the problem is that you have to enable it in iTunes first (by clicking the Genius button, then waiting a long while for it dig through your songs), then sync your iPhone, which will be able to have new Genius information. After that, the Genius playlist will show up as the first playlist, and while you are playing a song, a Genius icon will appear when you tap the screen.
The reason for this explanation is that I also experienced no Genius functionality when I first installed 2.1. I was very impatient and wanted to experience 'teh snappy' right away. I found the Genius button in iTunes, but when it was taking a long, long time to progress, I cancelled it and said "hell no!" However, after I started playing around with my iPod touch, there was no sign of Genius. I plugged it back in, let iTunes chug through its Genius fact-finding tour, and then synced again. After this second sync, Genius showed up in the playlists.
Actually, my experience was that the Genius icon was on the phone from the moment I updated to 2.1, but it wasn't activated (needed to be started in iTunes). I have tried the process of starting Genius in iTunes 3 times, and each time it has crashed iTunes. I did all of the usual stuff (restart, reinstall iTunes 8, permissions repair, etc). I'm running 10.4.11 on a MDD dual G4, everything up to date, maxxed out on RAM, etc., so I don't think this related to a system issue. Anyone else having crash issues with Genius?
You could scroll while loading in 2.0.1 -- just checked.
K
Yes, sorry to be unclear. What I meant was that when trying to do it before 2.1 it was very erratic (on my iPhone at least). Often the page refused to move or moved just a short distance before stopping.
Now it seems more responsive (though not 100%).
battery life seems to be same, 50 mins of talking 30 mins of browsing and day of standby battery drained in the night. (btw i restarted and recharged completely after the upgrade)... will monitor today ...
anyone else on battery life?
It is astounding that attitude that some people take toward MMS...
Some feel that simply because they don't use it, it must not be very popular. Others are waging a dogmatic and political smear campaign because they feel the business model is unjust. Then there is the crowd that offers up hopelessly cumbersome workarounds. Finally there are the theoretical arguments which take the long term view, wanting to replace MMS with something better.
None of that addresses the fact that MMS is the most convenient and popular way to send pictures to other phones. While apple may eventually replace it with something just as easy to use and superior in other ways as well, that doesn't help in the here and now. It doesn't help people who actually want to send and receive pictures to their friends and coworkers... today.
Yes, much the same argument was made regarding Compuserve and AOL not needing email gateways to the general internet. Today we regard those people as having been hopelessly backwards and limited.
Please don't reply by suggesting workarounds involving email and gateways and etc... While I have degrees in CS and manage server rooms, none of the people I'm communicating with have those credentials. Their expertise is elsewhere. If I were to send any of them a MMS, they'd receive and view it with no training or difficulty. It is unfortunate that is impossible without wasting a bunch of time. If I were to email a picture, they wouldn't see it until later in the day or even later in the week. If they were to send me an MMS, i'd have to use a pencil and paper to view it.
You again missed the point. iPhone email -> SMS. You email, they get it *ON THEIR PHONE*, and they get immediately. From their end, reception of an SMS looks *EXACTLY THE SAME*. There is no difference. There is no CS degree required. I send my brother 140char emails to his phone all the time - he never knows the difference, other than the sending number isn't mine. Just select their phone email address and send. It's just like regular email from your end, just like regular SMS from theirs. If that's too complicated for anyone... I dunno, perhaps they shouldn't be using SMS. "OMG! It's just like before! It's *blowing my mind*!"
For them to send you an email, show them how to do it from their phone - hell, just teach them how to send an email to anyone. I have yet to meet someone who didn't think it wasn't the slickest thing. "You mean I can *do that*?" Show them how to save a template with your email address, and use that as the seed instead of your phone number. (Who punches in a phone number? Almost no one - you save it, you look it up. Looking up a pre-saved gateway address is just as simple.)
No one has to do anything different to receive anything from you.
To send to you, they just have to select a different phone number entry from your contact.
Hmm, maybe you're right, that's *entirely* too complicated for people.
Lack of MMS is a huge shortcoming. It may pay off in the long run if apple succeeds in switching the industry over to something better. That is a quite debatable subject. But what can't be argued is that the lack of this functionality is preventing iPhone users from joining the rest of mobile phone users in conveniently sharing pictures with each other.
No, it's not. Lack of information about how to use send email to an SMS account is the problem. The phone is fine. MMS is not. It's a horrible kludge that is being used as a scam.
This isn't a theoretical assertion. It is the way things are today, not tomorrow, but today. iPhone users are not sending pictures to other phones.
Bollocks. I send them from my Mac, through email. I get them on my Mac, through email. An email client is an email client.
Only ignorance of how to append the carrier domain to the recipient's phone number is preventing iPhone users from doing so. Ignorance is easy to fix, as long as it's not willful ignorance.
And yes, I've heard the "ZOMG, I have to ask them their carrier *too*?" response. Uh, yes, just like you have to ask them their domain for the email. How ever do we survive doing that, I wonder?
Here's a quick solution: set up some email templates that massage your email address into the form needed for various carriers. (What's the most there, half a dozen for most people?) When someone asks you for your phone #, send it and the template for their carrier. (After all, you did ask for their carrier, right?) They save the info just like they would any other phone #, and voila. Their work is done. Now they have all the info to MMS to you, and they had to do no more than they would otherwise. You sent it, they saved it, they use it. Done.
iPhone users aren't jumping through the hoops to receive pictures from other phones.
Because no hoops are needed to be jumped through. It's right there in your email.
I still love my iPhone. But let's be honest about this shortcoming.
It's only a shortcoming if you refuse to recognize that there's really little difference other than how you look up the address for an email, or a phone number, from an address book. This isn't complicated, it's not some arcane workaround. It's simple, straightforward, and turns the knife just that little bit more on SMS.
Hell, who's up for writing a tiny little app for the iPhone that hooks into the Contacts DB and lets you select the carrier when you enter a phone number, so you get the corresponding email gateway info entered in as an email address marked 'SMS/MMS', automatically? Couldn't be simpler in that case - ask them for their phone #, ask them for their carrier, pick from the pop-up list, it creates the entry *and* creates the proper return template for that carrier, and sends to them. They save, and you're both done.
Anyway, it's obvious you're never going to convince me that MMS is a necessary feature, and I'm never going to convince you that there are alternatives that don't require advanced technical skills... the carrier marketing is apparently pretty good. How about we skip this topic, and get back to the iPhone 2.1 update?
I seem to have a big problem.
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
Thanks a lot.
Geov
Hey guys
I seem to have a big problem.
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
Thanks a lot.
Geov
have you tried restarting the iPhone after upgrade?
one more work around, turn on airplane mode and turn off again ...
Hey guys
I seem to have a big problem.
I updated my iphone with the latest software update and ever since I haven't had 3g connection at all. I had it before with no problems but with the latest update I don't seem to ever have it.
Any clues or tips you may be able to share to get this issue fixed?
Thanks a lot.
Geov
Restart.
Restart.
sounds more like PC days, hey it is firmware upgrade, Restart does no harm
sounds more like PC days, hey it is firmware upgrade, Restart does no harm
Maybe Apple is turning into MS.
PS: Safari on my iPhone is having more keyboard slowness and freezing up the whole phone... But it hasn't yet crashed.
sounds more like PC days, hey it is firmware upgrade, Restart does no harm
Hey what do you mean by restart ?
I did go ahead and shut the iphone off and
turn it back on again but still had the same issue.
have you tried restarting the iPhone after upgrade?
one more work around, turn on airplane mode and turn off again ...
I tried the airplane mode on and off again feature and still
I only have the Edge network. =(
Hey what do you mean by restart ?
I did go ahead and shut the iphone off and
turn it back on again but still had the same issue.
As far as I know, that is the only way to force a restart.
I wasnt aware of that.. Thanks.
This was posted however specifically for a windows user. And before people complain, windows people use iPhones too. And mac's aren't perfect, there are some benefits of having windows, don't be so naive. I just prefer to deal with apples faults, than windows.
I agree with you and this one of the reasons I have Windows on my Mac. There are some engineering programs that are not available on Mac. Those programs usually cost $7000 to $10,000 a copy and they are a must in my profession. The good thing is that I don't have to buy them, they are provided for my for free
Contacts load time have never really been a problem and text messages take as long to load as they always have. I've never had a problem with dropped calls but I still get the "error sending message" occassionally when I send texts. There are a few new options which is great but I haven't needed any of them yet!
I like Genius and I think someone else commented the same when I say it has made me rediscover my music library and songs I had forgotten.
Most annoying for me is that battery life is exactly the same, I haven't noticed it any better! Although I would be interested to know what "...Significantly better battery life for most users..." actually means....who are the users???
All in all I hope that now on the whole from what I have seen from feedback we are on a playing field now where things "appear" to be more stable, hopefully we can start to see some features that everyone has been asking for and start increasing functionality!
i restarted my phone and still I only have the edge network...
Turning it off and then back on it not a hard reset.
Hold both the "Home" button and the button at the top(the one that turns the display on/off) until it shuts off and you see the Apple logo appear. That is a hard reset and should fix your issue.
is APPLE paying off people to post 'good' things about this update to confuse us??
I knew i should've waited - but since i read the post in here - i thought well Heck i needed to update and ITS WORSE!!!!! URRRRRRRRRGH i am getting so mad at APPLE ... Steve J. are you reading the blogs and the post in here???? its NOT better... its worse... my phone is acting like a Windows PC running 'OS '98
i want to get a verizon phone now i hear its better recept and just works or maybe a dare i dunno-- they better fix this crap and FAST. They are losing a real APPLE HARD CORE FAN , i usually defend APPLE products but i am getting more & more disillusioned with my 3rd iphone replacement so far ---
DON"T UPDATE I WARN YOU.... wait until they review this on the blogs and other post here.... so, so unhappy with my i-phone--- yea and please don't tell me to return it and get my $$$ back --
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2.1 works great for me, installed without problems on 2 Gen1 iPhones. Most operations are faster, some, like Maps, drastically so.
Your post sounds like you're getting paid to post trash here. If you do, don't ask for a raise, it's not working.