Al Qaeda or the NeoCons?

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  • Reply 21 of 57
    After all, both al Qaeda and the neocons in the Bush administration came out of the winning side of the Cold War.They share the conviction that the world can be remade through political violence, and both are determined to do so. When Donald Rumsfeld promised shock and awe on the eve of the war on Iraq,was he not promising a replay of 9/11, except on a grander scale and in a different location? Is it just accidental that the ?war on terror? has tended to mimic terror?

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  • Reply 22 of 57
    More important to me is how many people has terrorism killed in our country since we got on the offensive? None. The best defense is a good offense. Go get em boys!!!
  • Reply 23 of 57
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally Posted by robertopod View Post


    More important to me is how many people has terrorism killed in our country since we got on the offensive? None. The best defense is a good offense. Go get em boys!!!



    Indeed. I have not been attacked by a bear since 2003.
  • Reply 24 of 57
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    Indeed. I have not been attacked by a bear since 2003.



    Wow. Thats an intelligent response. Bears aren't human and live off of instinct. If bears were driving planes into buildings and conspiring to kill all of us greedy americans then we would have to "off" them too. Or maybe we could form some kind of socialist "bear welfare" program. Tax the shit out of the ones who work and take care of the bears so they will love us!!!
  • Reply 25 of 57
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Wow. Thats an intelligent response. Bears aren't human



    OMG that's my new sig.
  • Reply 26 of 57
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    OMG that's my new sig.



    The way you were comparing war to bears, it was obvious that I needed to point that out to you. Keep it in your sig so you don't forget. And feel free to kill a bear too. They make nice rugs.
  • Reply 27 of 57
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    Wow. Thats an intelligent response. Bears aren't human and live off of instinct. If bears were driving planes into buildings and conspiring to kill all of us greedy americans then we would have to "off" them too. Or maybe we could form some kind of socialist "bear welfare" program. Tax the shit out of the ones who work and take care of the bears so they will love us!!!



    More like, let taxes on the bears that do better than 95% of other working bears revert to Bear Clinton levels and give those 95% of working bears a tax break. That way, the vast majority of working bears can use their collective consumer will to drive forward the bear economy...
  • Reply 28 of 57
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    It drives me nuts that no one ever remembers the anthrax attacks.
  • Reply 29 of 57
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    More like, let taxes on the bears that do better than 95% of other working bears revert to Bear Clinton levels and give those 95% of working bears a tax break. That way, the vast majority of working bears can use their collective consumer will to drive forward the bear economy...



    Spread the wealth.

    The top 5% already pay over 50 percent of the federal income taxes collected! The bottom 50% pay less than 4% of the total. The wealthy are already paying more. Everyone should pay the same percentage and the wealthy would still by far be the biggest contributors.



    What do you say we do with the people that don't want to work?
  • Reply 30 of 57
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    It drives me nuts that no one ever remembers the anthrax attacks.



    It has been well documented that bears mailed the anthrax that killed the 5 people in 2001.
  • Reply 31 of 57
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    Originally Posted by robertopod View Post


    Wow. Thats an intelligent response. Bears aren't human and live off of instinct. If bears were driving planes into buildings and conspiring to kill all of us greedy americans then we would have to "off" them too. Or maybe we could form some kind of socialist "bear welfare" program. Tax the shit out of the ones who work and take care of the bears so they will love us!!!



    How many of the people, who sort of look like the the ones who drove the planes into the building, will you have to kill before you feel safe?
  • Reply 32 of 57
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    How many of the people, who sort of look like the the ones who drove the planes into the building, will you have to kill before you feel safe?



    I feel safe now. Knowing we are handling it on their turf and not ours. I guess we should wait for them to come again?
  • Reply 33 of 57
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    Spread the wealth.

    The top 5% already pay over 50 percent of the federal income taxes collected! The bottom 50% pay less than 4% of the total. The wealthy are already paying more. Everyone should pay the same percentage and the wealthy would still by far be the biggest contributors.



    What do you say we do with the people that don't want to work?



    There is no such thing as spreading the wealth -- there is such a thing as spreading the burden of funding the government in a manner which corresponds to the disproportionate benefit that certain people derive from governmental programs and policies.



    A flat tax doesn't work because there are fixed costs to living that scale with social class. You may think that it is fair, but in reality, taxing someone just above the poverty line 15% is going to kill their ability to survive, kill their ability to save, kill their ability to not get into debt, and kill their ability to get out of poverty because of all of these factors. So much for flat tax "fairness."



    And where are these people that don't want to work?



    I haven't met anyone who doesn't want to work that doesn't have millions in the bank...
  • Reply 34 of 57
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    I feel safe now. Knowing we are handling it on their turf and not ours. I guess we should wait for them to come again?



    We aren't any more safe. International terrorist attacks have increased since 9-11.
  • Reply 35 of 57
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    There is no such thing as spreading the wealth -- there is such a thing as spreading the burden of funding the government in a manner which corresponds to the disproportionate benefit that certain people derive from governmental programs and policies.



    A flat tax doesn't work because there are fixed costs to living that scale with social class. You may think that it is fair, but in reality, taxing someone just above the poverty line 15% is going to kill their ability to survive, kill their ability to save, kill their ability to not get into debt, and kill their ability to get out of poverty because of all of these factors. So much for flat tax "fairness."



    So what do we do with the people that don't want to work? Keep supporting them?
  • Reply 36 of 57
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    So what do we do with the people that don't want to work? Keep supporting them?



    Where are these people that don't want to work?



    I haven't met anyone who doesn't want to work that doesn't have millions in the bank...
  • Reply 37 of 57
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    We aren't any more safe. International terrorist attacks have increased since 9-11.



    Not in America.
  • Reply 38 of 57
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    Not in America.



    There have been two international terrorist attacks on the United States in its history.



    These two attacks were separated by eight years (1993 and 2001). What makes you think we aren't going to be attacked again if it took al qaeda eight years to try again?



    Al qaeda is in a stronger position now than they have been in the 2000s because of Bush's botched efforts in Afghanistan and the simple fact that the Iraqi battlefield has been an excellent training ground for new terrorists, which it never was when Saddam was in power.



    Yeah, we're taking the battle to them alright. Training them, and expecting them not to hit back. Who was it again that equipped the Mujahideen which produced both the Taliban and al qaeda? Oh right... the US. Who gave Saddam his weapons? Right the US. Seems to me that our foreign policy in all of this has been short sighted, and Bush's wars are no exception.
  • Reply 39 of 57
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    Where are these people that don't want to work?



    I haven't met anyone who doesn't want to work that doesn't have millions in the bank...



    Yeah. The isn't anyone on handouts that doesn't want to work. They are all out actively seeking a job. If you have a job you probably don't meet people like that.
  • Reply 40 of 57
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    There have been two international terrorist attacks on the United States in its history.



    These two attacks were separated by eight years (1993 and 2001). What makes you think we aren't going to be attacked again if it took al qaeda eight years to try again?



    I'm sure it will be tried again and may be successful. I guess we should just let them be so they can build up another good plan. What makes you think that the second one would have happened if we would have kicked the shit out of them the first time? Clinton did nothing.
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