"You will all be amazed for sure. Jaguar is going to blow you all away, it's better in ways that none of you have predicted yet. And yes, it's fast, performance will be a non-issue after Jaguar is released. Let's just say it's related to two words: "Quartz" and "Chipset".
And yes, spring-loaded folders are back, as are a few other sorely missed features from OS 9. But most of the groundbreaking stuff in Jaguar is totally new and different. Prepare to think different, VERY different. So different that many of you will whine about it, but I think most Mac users will be suprisingly stunned at how pleased they are after the initial shock wears off."
<strong>Junkyard, that sounds great, but I'm with unimacs on this one: I just (as in about 4 days ago) got a new iMac/800/superdrive etc. When you say "chipset", that sounds suspiciously like I will need to buy new hardware in order to take advantage of whatever this is.
Unless somehow my GeForce 2 MX that came with the iMac can handle whatever it is you're talking about.
And I hope performance will be a non-issue with Jaguar... it's definitely an issue with 10.1, even on a brand new 800 MHz G4 iMac. I guess I'll be skeptical until I see OS X running as fast or faster than OS 9 on the same hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If what I've heard is true, then no, you will not need new hardware to benefit from Jaguar's performance tricks. Any recent hardware will do, i.e., anything up to about 2 years old.
By "chipset", I meant graphics chipset. I would have said "video card", but since the GPU isn't on a separate card in so many Macs, I figured "chipset" is more accurate.
Based on what I know there will be no co-processor of any sort used to accelerate Quartz...the Raycer connection is a myth.
To be fair, they have been hyping WWDC and the Jaguar preview, but they've been doing it within the Apple developer/fanatic circle, nothing towards the larger public. Except of course for the fact that they seem to be a little desperate to get developers to partake, thus all the MacCentral articles. That's not over-hyping, that's just trying to get enough hype, trying to get at least a little attention from developers.
Yes. This is all targeted at developers, and people need to understand that. Apple could (and will) announce things that would be really, really good news to a developer ("OS X is completely synched up with the latest FreeBSD! Yay!"), and which the average Mac user wouldn't even notice.
Apple could also introduce all kinds of cool potential into the OS that developers could get all excited about - and I think they will - but again, end users won't see anything new until those applications that exploit the new potential ship any number of months later. Even the much-ballyhooed move to 64-bit, while a significant milestone to some people, would be irrelevant - or indirectly relevant, at best - to the majority of Apple's installed base.
The best news to come out of WWDC, from an average user perspective, will probably be another round of optimizations and user-interface enhancements to OS X. Maybe QT6, and maybe not. WIth the (possible) exception of QuickTime, none of these will be the most interesting additions that developers leave the conference with.
[quote]Apple could also introduce all kinds of cool potential into the OS that developers could get all excited about - and I think they will - but again, end users won't see anything new until those applications that exploit the new potential ship any number of months later. Even the much-ballyhooed move to 64-bit, while a significant milestone to some people, would be irrelevant - or indirectly relevant, at best - to the majority of Apple's installed base.<hr></blockquote>
As Fonzie would say, exactamundo. The way Apple execs are phrasing their comments suggests to me that great strides are being made primarily under-the-hood. Though the fact that they are apparently ready to show new advances on the OS X page -- or at least advertising the sneak peak there -- suggests some new GUI features and fixes in Jaguar as well. I suspect that the new features will be the kinds of thing we've already gone over and not a whole lot more -- yet. Things like spring-loaded folders, Samba browsing, more Carbon featues to synch it with Cocoa, etc.
But since this is 1. a developer conference, and 2. they have a whole lot more feedback and stronger direction about the core services now, that user won't see a direct benefit of the changes until even next year when it's time for the major app revisions. I'm thinking that their higher-profile new hires recently (relatively high-profile of course, most people have no idea) are a direct reflection of where the OS is headed. Like Amorph mentioned, things like a full synch with FreeBSD, possibly full POSIX compliance (I'm talking out of my ass here ), an upgraded fiesystem, significant changes to CoreGraphics services and the printing architecture are what's coming. Beside, are BIG new GUI features worth doing if the foundation they rest on is being significantly altered?
How about rendering Quartz w/ OpenGL, allowing them to move most UI processes off the CPU and onto the Radeon/NVidia cards ...that will make it scream.
Most of the perceived "performance" problems of OS X hinge around the sluggish (again sluggish only on older hardware) user-experience. This would be taken care of post-Jaguar. A new compiler taking advantage of more run-time decided things will be great too... weak binding... Hmmmmm
As always, you will only be as disappointed as your expectations have dictated. Great expectations == Great disappointment IMHO.
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And yes, spring-loaded folders are back, as are a few other sorely missed features from OS 9. But most of the groundbreaking stuff in Jaguar is totally new and different. Prepare to think different, VERY different. So different that many of you will whine about it, but I think most Mac users will be suprisingly stunned at how pleased they are after the initial shock wears off."
Well, I hope so!
LEMON bON BON
<strong>Junkyard, that sounds great, but I'm with unimacs on this one: I just (as in about 4 days ago) got a new iMac/800/superdrive etc. When you say "chipset", that sounds suspiciously like I will need to buy new hardware in order to take advantage of whatever this is.
Unless somehow my GeForce 2 MX that came with the iMac can handle whatever it is you're talking about.
And I hope performance will be a non-issue with Jaguar... it's definitely an issue with 10.1, even on a brand new 800 MHz G4 iMac. I guess I'll be skeptical until I see OS X running as fast or faster than OS 9 on the same hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If what I've heard is true, then no, you will not need new hardware to benefit from Jaguar's performance tricks. Any recent hardware will do, i.e., anything up to about 2 years old.
By "chipset", I meant graphics chipset. I would have said "video card", but since the GPU isn't on a separate card in so many Macs, I figured "chipset" is more accurate.
Based on what I know there will be no co-processor of any sort used to accelerate Quartz...the Raycer connection is a myth.
All this freaking hype and all we'll get is spring loaded folders and that color inversing thing.
Don't believe in Apple hype. Everyone should be well aware of that by now.
This is quite exclusive. You have to read around quite a bit to pick up anything about Jaguar and the preview.
Jaguar has been a long time in development, so I think we can expect some pretty major changes both under the hood, and reflected in the GUI.
At least i would hope so...
low-fi
Apple could also introduce all kinds of cool potential into the OS that developers could get all excited about - and I think they will - but again, end users won't see anything new until those applications that exploit the new potential ship any number of months later. Even the much-ballyhooed move to 64-bit, while a significant milestone to some people, would be irrelevant - or indirectly relevant, at best - to the majority of Apple's installed base.
The best news to come out of WWDC, from an average user perspective, will probably be another round of optimizations and user-interface enhancements to OS X. Maybe QT6, and maybe not. WIth the (possible) exception of QuickTime, none of these will be the most interesting additions that developers leave the conference with.
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As Fonzie would say, exactamundo. The way Apple execs are phrasing their comments suggests to me that great strides are being made primarily under-the-hood. Though the fact that they are apparently ready to show new advances on the OS X page -- or at least advertising the sneak peak there -- suggests some new GUI features and fixes in Jaguar as well. I suspect that the new features will be the kinds of thing we've already gone over and not a whole lot more -- yet. Things like spring-loaded folders, Samba browsing, more Carbon featues to synch it with Cocoa, etc.
But since this is 1. a developer conference, and 2. they have a whole lot more feedback and stronger direction about the core services now, that user won't see a direct benefit of the changes until even next year when it's time for the major app revisions. I'm thinking that their higher-profile new hires recently (relatively high-profile of course, most people have no idea) are a direct reflection of where the OS is headed. Like Amorph mentioned, things like a full synch with FreeBSD, possibly full POSIX compliance (I'm talking out of my ass here
Most of the perceived "performance" problems of OS X hinge around the sluggish (again sluggish only on older hardware) user-experience. This would be taken care of post-Jaguar. A new compiler taking advantage of more run-time decided things will be great too... weak binding... Hmmmmm
As always, you will only be as disappointed as your expectations have dictated. Great expectations == Great disappointment IMHO.
Just my 2¢.