Unibody MacBook Pro: an in-depth review with video

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  • Reply 61 of 87
    kbeatkbeat Posts: 48member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    It could be a USB audio device attached to the internal hub.



    From Apple's marketing materials on the new LED Cinema Display:



    "On the back of the display, you?ll find three self-powered USB ports. You enable them ? along with the built-in iSight camera, microphone, and speakers ? the moment you plug the USB connector into your new MacBook."
  • Reply 62 of 87
    It's really disgusting to read all of the rationalizations, dismissive diversions, and mental gymnastics that "everyone" swallows regarding the REAR VIEW Mac DISPLAY mandate.



    I have indeed tested all of these AND THEY S-U-C-K .



    Please read that last sentence as many times as it takes to flush the BS out of your system.



    We must pretend that a bright screen will not be called upon to display a DARK FREAKIN' SCENE in a movie or photo or game or ....



    We must pretend to "counterbalance" any and all OTHER features of the display against the



    STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW Mac. Even if those other features are totally distinct and in no way capable of ameliorating the STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW Mac.



    That so very many of us LOYAL CUSTOMERS continue to be shut out by the NO-CHOICE

    STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW Mac display seems to bother nobody.



    After dropping big bucks into a Mac, we are expected to go ELSEWHERE to buy and slop a matte decal onto the highly aesthetic ( if useless ) REAR-VIEW Mac display.



    I just blew $34 (S/H) on a Photodon matte film to put on the 13.3" MacBook that I borrow from the school where I teach. I will report back re. how it works.



    ********* THIS IS A CALL FOR HELP TO SOME THIRD PARTY ENTREPRENEUR ***********



    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR ???!!!!!!



    LET'S HAVE A SERVICE THAT WILL ACID ETCH A MATTE FINISH ON THE OUTSIDE SURFACE

    OF THE MAC (ESPECIALLY 24" iMacs) GLOSSY GLASS.



    THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND FOR THIS RELIEF FROM THE STUPIDITY OF THE NO-CHOICE REAR-VIEW MAC DISPLAY POLICY.



    HOW ABOUT IT ???? IT LOOKS LIKE THE IDIOTS AT APPLE ARE NOT GOING TO

    GIVE US A CHOICE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY THINK WE WILL GROW ACCUSTOMED TO THE

    STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW MAC DISPLAYS.



    ************************************************** ****************************************



    And for you morons who keep bringing up that the LCD panel is itself glossy and that this could not be done ----- SHUT UP !!!!!! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP !!!!!

    If a film applied to the outside surface of the glossy stupidity can cut the glare, THEN THE SAME COULD BE DONE MORE ELEGANTLY BY ETCHING THE GLASS COVER's OUTSIDE

    SURFACE ITSELF.



    Thank you for your attention to this detail,



    ---gooddog



  • Reply 63 of 87
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW Mac. Even if those other features are totally distinct and in no way capable of ameliorating the STUPIDITY OF THE REAR-VIEW Mac.



    Obsessive much? I think you need to calm down a bit. This all-caps and repeating seven times a catch phrase you made up doesn't tell me I should agree with you.
  • Reply 64 of 87
    You didn't follow instructions. Keep reading it until you are cleansed.



    BTW, who the hell wants you to agree with me ?



    We want a CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE .



    We expect YOU to display the minimal decency and consideration for OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS that a chimp would have no trouble with.



    ---hope this calms you down a bit.
  • Reply 65 of 87
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    ---hope this calms you down a bit.



    The problem is, you're the angry one.
  • Reply 66 of 87
    BUT THIS LEVEL IS NORMAL FOR ME.



    I never affect that complacent, insipid, bloodless tone that, were it not for the ability to type, would betray the presence of a veal.



    MAYBE YOU KNOW HOW TO GET A 24" iMac GLASS ETCHED TO A NICE, MATTE FINISH.



    MAYBE ALL THE BILE YOU RETAIN COULD DO THE JOB: I'M DRAINED MYSELF.
  • Reply 67 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    This was not unexpected on Apple's part or anybody that took high school physics.



    I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say, and I find your response quite condescending, actually.



    Of course any manufacturer has to go through a process of thermal engineering.



    The point I was trying to make was that with incremental design changes, the thermal engineering team has more "cushion" to test and adjust the laptop cooling design.



    The unibody design is really quite radical, and while Apple takes a longer time than the industry in developing products, I am sure the thermal engineering team faced quite significant challenges.



    During the product development timeframe, there can be unexpected heat issues for really new designs, despite the best efforts of the manufacturer to model, test and adjust for new thermal issues. The "risk" of mistakes is higher, the margin of error lower, when dealing with new designs as opposed to evolutionary improvements in the laptop body.



    Finally, it seems that there have been no serious reports of heat issues in the totally new unibody design, which indicates that Apple was able to do a great job in thermal engineering, but also there were no "mistakes" or unforseen (despite best efforts) heat issues.
  • Reply 68 of 87
    Actually, it took me a few minutes to figure out what the hell gooddog was talking about with the "rear view" comments. Now I kinda get it, LOL.



    Gooddog's ranting is worse even than my usual tangents, though.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    Obsessive much? I think you need to calm down a bit. This all-caps and repeating seven times a catch phrase you made up doesn't tell me I should agree with you.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    You didn't follow instructions. Keep reading it until you are cleansed.



    BTW, who the hell wants you to agree with me ?



    We want a CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE .



    We expect YOU to display the minimal decency and consideration for OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS that a chimp would have no trouble with.



    ---hope this calms you down a bit.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    The problem is, you're the angry one.



  • Reply 69 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    You didn't follow instructions. Keep reading it until you are cleansed.



    BTW, who the hell wants you to agree with me ?



    We want a CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE CHOICE .



    We expect YOU to display the minimal decency and consideration for OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS OTHERS that a chimp would have no trouble with.



    ---hope this calms you down a bit.



    The royal we? Seriously?
  • Reply 70 of 87
    Actually, I am willing to pay up to USD $50 for a decent, quality matte/glare-reducing film for the new MacBook Pro.



    I think many users, most of which, though not as pissed off as you, would appreciate more information on quality, suppliers, and price of such films. Let's try and get more info on this.



    It might be a very important accessory, and could clinch the deal for many people looking to get the new MacBook Pro but have a niggling feeling about the glare aspect.



    Apple is far from perfect, thank goodness there's a heck of a lot of 3rd party accessories to make up for Apple product disadvantages.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    After dropping big bucks into a Mac, we are expected to go ELSEWHERE to buy and slop a matte decal onto the highly aesthetic ( if useless ) REAR-VIEW Mac display.



    I just blew $34 (S/H) on a Photodon matte film to put on the 13.3" MacBook that I borrow from the school where I teach. I will report back re. how it works.



    ********* THIS IS A CALL FOR HELP TO SOME THIRD PARTY ENTREPRENEUR ***********



    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR ???!!!!!!



    LET'S HAVE A SERVICE THAT WILL ACID ETCH A MATTE FINISH ON THE OUTSIDE SURFACE

    OF THE MAC (ESPECIALLY 24" iMacs) GLOSSY GLASS.



    THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND FOR THIS RELIEF FROM THE STUPIDITY OF THE NO-CHOICE REAR-VIEW MAC DISPLAY POLICY.



  • Reply 71 of 87
    I've owned a new 2.4GHz MacBook Pro for about a week and a half now, and I can safely say that this is the best Mac I've ever owned. It's significantly faster than my last Macbook Pro (Late 2007 Santa Rosa 2.2GHz). The graphics are a huge improvement over the 8600M GT. I love the trackpad, and with the addition of MultiClutch, I can add three-finger swipe gestures as key combos for any program I want, or globally, if I want. I've become so used to tap to click, and drag lock that it's extremely nice for me to copy/paste or move windows, etc. Also, the glass display doesn't bother me that much. But, by far, the best thing I love about this computer is it does not burn a hole through my legs anymore. I can sit with it on my lap and not worry about getting third-degree burns. It is not even hot to the touch. Mine has been on all day and, in fact, it's pretty cold when I feel the bottom.



    I would give this MacBook Pro a 5/5, but I guess AI feels differently.
  • Reply 72 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say, and I find your response quite condescending, actually.



    Of course any manufacturer has to go through a process of thermal engineering.



    The point I was trying to make was that with incremental design changes, the thermal engineering team has more "cushion" to test and adjust the laptop cooling design.



    The unibody design is really quite radical, and while Apple takes a longer time than the industry in developing products, I am sure the thermal engineering team faced quite significant challenges.



    During the product development timeframe, there can be unexpected heat issues for really new designs, despite the best efforts of the manufacturer to model, test and adjust for new thermal issues. The "risk" of mistakes is higher, the margin of error lower, when dealing with new designs as opposed to evolutionary improvements in the laptop body.



    Finally, it seems that there have been no serious reports of heat issues in the totally new unibody design, which indicates that Apple was able to do a great job in thermal engineering, but also there were no "mistakes" or unforseen (despite best efforts) heat issues.



    Re: I find your response quite condescending, actually.



    It was not meant to be. It was just a matter of fact.



    Simply stated, Apple's venture, i.e., into solid uni-body construction was not really a physics issue. Simple physics would have predicted it. The thicker the body, the less thermal transfer. Obvious as they cut into the block the dynamics change. However, in comparison with the previous construction process, it would be superior, until all the parameter were equalled, thickness aside.



    The main challenge that Apple had to address was the final cost, not the physics. Keep in mind that the when, where and who re tooling, manufacturing, delivery, etc., all have related costs and once they were addressed and totalled, the decision was relatively simple and virtually guaranteed.
  • Reply 73 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    If a film applied to the outside surface of the glossy stupidity can cut the glare, THEN THE SAME COULD BE DONE MORE ELEGANTLY BY ETCHING THE GLASS COVER's OUTSIDE SURFACE ITSELF.



    Specifically, glare is not an issue.



    Glare is the phenomenon by which an ambient light incident directly on the user’s eyes causes a loss of ability to use a display. As such, it is a function of the lighting environment and installation and not a property of the display. http://www.gdoptilabs.com/documentat...eflections.htm



    As for "etching", you have to be kidding.



    I would also like to point out, that virtually everybody that has actually gone and seen or bought a new Macbook are not concerned about the glossy screen. Everything that I have read so far indicated that the majority of dissenters are basing their opinions on ignorance, or others who likewise have little or no personal experience. And if it was out of experience, it was certainly not seeing the new Macbooks or the technology behind it.
  • Reply 74 of 87
    I was wondering in the back of my mind what about the photo of Jonathan Ive in front of the case internals looked unlike the other photos I've seen of the unibody. Then I realized that this photo is actually him in front of the old MacBook Pro case--note that this is the bottom shell, not the underside of the keyboard, and it has bilateral ports, front optical drive, latch release button, etc.



    Assuming you meant to show the old case because the previous paragraph talks about the comparison, a comparison photo of the unibody would be illustrative, and a caption to ease confusion would help.



    Thanks for the detailed review.
  • Reply 75 of 87
    No, not royal : I have a tape worm; a glossy rear-looking tape worm.
  • Reply 76 of 87
    Listen junior, a specular reflection is created when incident light waves are reflected from a surface with irregularities of dimensions smaller than half the wavelength of the light.



    A diffuse reflection is caused by surfaces whose irregularities are larger than that.



    Everyone who has framed a print with "low-glare" or "matte" glass has seen how well the lightly "frosted" (etched) glass works.



    EVERYBODY who has seen a Macbook has fallen in love with their own mug reflected in the screen. Since they have no freakin' choice, they dish out the dough and spend the rest of their lives rationalizing and lying about the swindle they fell for.



    All of these individuals force down mouthfuls of TOFURKEY every Thanksgiving and tell their relatives that it is indistinguishable from the real bird. I would caution the rest of us from associating with these fungi-form "people". Nothing worthwhile has ever come from the likes of them. Apple is infested with their advance operatives.
  • Reply 77 of 87
    Good side-by-side before & after photos are available from Photodon at the URL below. I will apply my $34 (including S/H) film to a glossy Macbook 13.3 inch (the model just before the unibodies) this weekend.



    There is a YouTube demo at the site as well.



    I will first experiment by laying a 6" X 4" pane of thin, matte, picture framing glass (lightly frosted) on top of the Macbook screen to see if it works as I expect it to work. If so, then it will prove that, by "frosting" the glossy glass lightly (etching or bead blasting), we can get what APPLE finds too difficult to offer to half of its loyal customers. The spirit of APPLE will survive the stupidity of the current policy. Acid can be diluted to fit the bill.



    Personally, I suspect that the forced demise of matte screens is intended to clear the way for the reported future displays that have a phased array of photosensors interlaced with the pixel elements.

    These look-back camera displays (not possible with matte screens) will force us to have a peeping-tom camera accessible to the alphabet soup snoops in our government, since the only way to disable the all-screen camera will be to cover the whole screen like a parrot cage. The VISISCREEN will be deployed and our brains will be sucked out through a small hole at the base of our tiny skulls.

    We are not paranoid.



    http://www.photodon.com/mm5/merchant...T&Store_Code=P
  • Reply 78 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gooddog View Post


    These look-back camera displays (not possible with matte screens) will force us to have a peeping-tom camera accessible to the alphabet soup snoops in our government, since the only way to disable the all-screen camera will be to cover the whole screen like a parrot cage. The VISISCREEN will be deployed and our brains will be sucked out through a small hole at the base of our tiny skulls.

    We are not paranoid.



    http://www.photodon.com/mm5/merchant...T&Store_Code=P



    i want 2 of whatever you're taking.
  • Reply 79 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macdolphin View Post


    i want 2 of whatever you're taking.



    *************************************************



    No way !!! The Galactic Queen grants them only to me.

    You must find your own chronosynclastic infindibulum.



    But, in the meantime, you may access this secret portal and join the Body of Landrum in the serenity of our fluids:



    http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/26/a...ng-lcd-pixels/
  • Reply 80 of 87
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member


    Is it just me, or did everybody also think that this means that VIRTUALLY EVERY SCREEN CAN BE A CAMERA. Welcome to the surveillance society, amplified to the power of infinity.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    The main challenge that Apple had to address was the final cost, not the physics...



    OK interesting point there.
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