Jaguar vs. Blackcomb?
after reading <a href="http://www.avault.com/articles/getarticle.asp?name=paradox" target="_blank">this article</a> at the Adrenaline Vault, linked from MacGamer, i was wondering about this new MS OS called "Blackcomb" mentioned on page 4.
one new feature sounds like Quartz Extreme, where desktop rendering is offloaded onto the graphics card.
which came first? or which will come first? and who thought of it first? and what's going on here? hehe
[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: gerardiki ]</p>
one new feature sounds like Quartz Extreme, where desktop rendering is offloaded onto the graphics card.
which came first? or which will come first? and who thought of it first? and what's going on here? hehe
[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: gerardiki ]</p>
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The catch here, though, is that Microsoft has not seeded *any* builds of Blackcomb outside of Redmond so no one can say for certain how or if this acceleration will work in it.
lowfi
Don't worry, Blackcomb won't be here any time soon. Apple will have a "3d accelerated" interface out long before Microsoft.
[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
On an aside...I hope Microsith isn't planning on REALLY betting their company on .Net/Web Services...if so plan to see the biggest Debacle coming in Computer History.
I still read about how OS X "copied" the Window's taskbar, and how the Apple Menu is a rip-off of the Start Menu. The media has no qualms about rewriting history to paint large mega-corporations in the best light--what it comes down to is that Micro$oft's advertising money has more pull than the truth among lazy, dim-witted journalists.
Ahhh, this is the same media that did not report a MAJOR gaff made my Dubya in Brazil recently: when a Brazilian official mentioned blacks, Dubya was shocked, and said something like, "Oh, you have to deal with blacks here, too?". But of course our media would never give Dubya a hard time about his intelligence or past and present personal life. That would be un-American.
[quote]the dumping of remaining legacy technologies like VGA.<hr></blockquote>
I think this would then be the first OS to require LCDs for use. Nice move...
Meaning, they will most likely have the same fate. Given the information in this topic, Blackcomb is NT. If that is actually so, M$ will only put the technology in its Pro edition.
I could be wrong; this is just speculation.
This does, however, make me feel grrrreat! about using OS X.
<strong>Ummmm... One question.
1: If im using a tray loading, 333 - > 600 mhz tangerine imac, with 380 mb of ram, which obviously has $hit for a graphics card (which even worse, is built into the board = non-upgradable) then is it possible that quartz extreem may in fact slow DOWN my OSX experience????????</strong><hr></blockquote>
er, no.
<strong>Given the information in this topic, Blackcomb is NT. If that is actually so, M$ will only put the technology in its Pro edition.
I could be wrong; this is just speculation.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're wrong in that both the home and pro versions of Windows XP are based on NT technology, so Blackcomb would not be reserved only for pro.
<strong>I think this would then be the first OS to require LCDs for use. Nice move...</strong><hr></blockquote>
How can the OS not support VGA? Can't the video card output in whatever standard it wants?
Both home and pro versions of Windows XP use the NT kernel.
The differences between home and pro are that home is limited to one CPU (no SMP), does not include remote desktop, does not have EFS, can not control or restrict access to files/programs, lacks multi-language switching on the fly, doesn't allow full participation in NT Domain or Active Directory, and lacks the ability to sync offline files and folders.
Windows XP is code named Whistler.
The next version is code named Longhorn.
Then the next version is code named Blackcomb.
Xidius:
No, your Mac will *not* run any slower because it can't use QE. QE is *not* required for Jaguar. In fact, even thought your Mac may not support QE, you likely will still get a speed boost just from the other optimizations in the code -- just like how you probably got a boost from 10.0 to 10.1.
[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
i just wanted to know if people on the PC side knew about Jaguar desktop rendering, and if people on the Mac side knew about Blackcomb desktop rendering.
<semi-soapbox>
i myself AM a PC-Mac fence sitter (tho i jump off the fence as often as i hop back on ), but i suppose i only heard of Blackcomb as a result of clicking on a PC-geared article from Macgamer. i then realized that some people (including myself) have no real idea about what's going on with regards to PC vs. Mac stuff, and that we better just not say anything at all OR say something, with the proper information to back it. and stuff. </semi-soapbox>
<strong>i realize now that this has kinda maybe turned into PC (vs. Mac) talk</strong><hr></blockquote>It has? Where?
[quote]Originally posted by gerardiki:
<strong>i just wanted to know if people on the PC side knew about Jaguar desktop rendering, and if people on the Mac side knew about Blackcomb desktop rendering.</strong><hr></blockquote>Well, just remember this:
Quartz Extreme is already working *today* in the developer seeded Jaguar builds.
On the other hand, this "desktop rendering" you refer to in Blackcomb is literally, I kid you not, nothing more than a *concept* that may or may not be real when Blackcomb actually comes out in two or three years. For all we know (that is, everyone outside of Redmond's MS HQ), someone just came up with that idea on the spot and tossed it in as an extra bullet in one of MS's presentations. There is no public information regarding this type of acceleration for Windows because it simply doesn't exist yet and isn't planned to be implemented for at least another year.
[ 06-04-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
<strong>Ahhh, this is the same media that did not report a MAJOR gaff made my Dubya in Brazil recently:</strong><hr></blockquote>
The reason for the media not reporting this is that it, in fact, may not be true:
<a href="http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/brazil.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/brazil.htm</a>
Not trying to start a political debate, just clearing up things.
QE compatability is not required for OS X Jaguar to run on a system.
Big difference.
--PB