PS2/rant: And what the **** is the deal with clicking on links in IE and them not opening? I've seen this god-damn annoying bug on some Windows version of IE too. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I have noticed this problem too for the longest time. The only reason I use IE is for banking at suntrust.com. I prefer Mozilla 1.0 for it's speed. I love Omniweb, but it's slower than the rest simply because it uses no cache. Once Omniweb 5 comes out, that will be my default browser.
<strong>It doesnt really matter, Apple is working on iWeb which will be integrated into the finder, rendering us able to surf web pages from finder windows.
I used to use iCab on an old 603e PPC computer. It would load pages in a fraction of the time Netscape took. Now under OS X it has been stable for long time. It is very rare that I come across a page that doesn't work correctly in iCab.
Someone said iCab would crash their system.... I have never experienced this.
iCab can also not show those annoying pop up/under ads.
That and it is kinda cute with a yellow cab putt'n around.
Omniweb and Chimera, neither is ready for prime time but both are excellent. Mozilla has too many GUI issues and is slow at everything but rendering ? try opening the prefs. Netscape is a bad version of Mozilla. IE, IE sucks.
I am all about Cocoa or Carbon coded to take advantage of the same principles, Omniweb and Chimera show off and use OS X the others simply do not.
heh, thinks it is spelled incorrectly. I like the Services part. And how the text looks so nice. I like how it blocks the ads. And how its toolbar is customizable.
I like OmniWeb, and when it is not near, I cower in fear, and my heart begins to melt, like a delicate hollow glass orb, to the dock,
Also, wouldn't iWeb make Apple be more and more microsoftian? Seems like a problem to me.
They will knock off OmniWeb, no way around it, just like Watson! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>But I need the latest version of Flash and that rules out most of the newer browsers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I would think that would rule out most of the older browsers, not the new ones. Why con't you just go to Macromedia's webpage and download a plug-in? Forgive me if this is a stupid question, I use OS 9, so I know nothing about X browsers...
OmniWeb is my browser of choice, and I have been following all the sneakypeek builds. It's lack of CSS element positioning is the main problem with it, but it works for almost everywhere I want to go. It's interface is the nicest to interact with and the page rendering is great. I also like the use of Aqua interface elements in HTML forms. Oh and I love how it spell checks the contents of forms too.
It's a sad fact that many pages were created with only IE in mind and do not display correctly on other browsers. IE's CSS implementation is flawed and does not follow the W3 specification. So even Mozilla with its near full CSS implementation won't render all pages because of this.
I keep a copy of Mozilla, IE and iCab on my system for testing my web pages. I code to HTML v4 and XHTML v1 spec, and if it doesn't display correctly in IE then that's not my problem.
but as a webdesigner/publisher i have to go with the heard and use ie (at least for checking my stuff).
and yes: i noticed the plus of speed since i got dsl.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, you'll probably find that Moz 1.0 renders closer to IE on the PC than IE 5.1 on the Mac does to IE on the PC, especially for DHTML.
Moz really is hands down the better browser. It has support for a multitude of web standards that OW is years away from supporting (CSS 2 will probably be implemented in Moz before CSS 1 is completed in OW just to give you an idea), behaves better and speeds past IE, and in general, is incredibly stable. I think you'll find that in the next year or so, sites are really going to jump in complexity as less and less sites support Netscape 4.x in all its crappiness, and this will free them to add in features that only IE and Moz currently support. This is when we'll be glad Moz exists, and it will really shine.
Plus, tab browsing, especially for reading forums like these, really is teh win. Command + click on all the threads I want to read, they load in the background as a tab, and I can switch between them easily without cluttering my screen real estate.
For a *short* time... my fav was Chimera. I say *short* time because for some reason Chimera wants to "quit" on startup ever since about 3-4 versions ago. If it were still able to run (not sure why it won't) I'd still be using it.
OmniWeb is not compatable enough for me yet... yes it's fast, but there are too many sites it cannot handle well yet... some not at all.
For me... I still use IE because it is easily a one-stop browser. It handles all of my needs for now until either OW gets more complete or until I can figure-out why Chimera is not happy logged-in as me. If I log in as a guest or different user, it works fine.
Mozilla. Yes , the interface sucks, but it gets almost all web pages right, it's faster than Omniweb, tabbed browsing freakin' rocks, and it doesn't bog down on big pages like IE.
With Silk, I'm pretty happy with it. I was using Omniweb for a while, but it's just too dog slow, and I'd periodically have to use IE for some pages.
What does everyone here have against iCab? It runs machines from 68k to present, it's small and fast, and it renders more pages correctly than OmniWeb.
[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
<strong>...Blocking pop-ups (I know Mozilla does this, but Omniweb did it first), the only browser I know of the blocks ads ... and the ability to have Omniweb pretend it's IE, which is great for stupid websites that think OmniWeb can't handle it's features, like iTools)...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I should point out that iCab did this about 2 years before OmniWeb. Plus, iCab offers far more powerful filters than OmniWeb.
My vote is for Internet Explorer. Just as someone else said, it is a great balance between speed and compatibility. The interface truly sucks though. Hopefully the upcoming IE 6 release will correct that. I have a feeling it will
A lot of people here really like Mozilla, don't they? I don't like it. I think it's interface is worse than IE- that search button!?! There are frequent stalls and other ickiness to deal with too.
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PS2/rant: And what the **** is the deal with clicking on links in IE and them not opening? I've seen this god-damn annoying bug on some Windows version of IE too.
I have noticed this problem too for the longest time. The only reason I use IE is for banking at suntrust.com. I prefer Mozilla 1.0 for it's speed. I love Omniweb, but it's slower than the rest simply because it uses no cache. Once Omniweb 5 comes out, that will be my default browser.
<strong>It doesnt really matter, Apple is working on iWeb which will be integrated into the finder, rendering us able to surf web pages from finder windows.
[ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: Xidius ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really hope so.
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I really hope so.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I really hope not. There's no good reason to not just aid the development of OW or Chimera.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the missing-clicks problem in IE. For me, it's unacceptable.
[ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: agent302 ]</p>
It is by far my favorite browser.
I used to use iCab on an old 603e PPC computer. It would load pages in a fraction of the time Netscape took. Now under OS X it has been stable for long time. It is very rare that I come across a page that doesn't work correctly in iCab.
Someone said iCab would crash their system.... I have never experienced this.
iCab can also not show those annoying pop up/under ads.
That and it is kinda cute with a yellow cab putt'n around.
I am all about Cocoa or Carbon coded to take advantage of the same principles, Omniweb and Chimera show off and use OS X the others simply do not.
<strong> IE, IE sucks.
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Why yes, yes it does. In a big way.
heh, thinks it is spelled incorrectly. I like the Services part. And how the text looks so nice. I like how it blocks the ads. And how its toolbar is customizable.
I like OmniWeb, and when it is not near, I cower in fear, and my heart begins to melt, like a delicate hollow glass orb, to the dock,
Also, wouldn't iWeb make Apple be more and more microsoftian? Seems like a problem to me.
They will knock off OmniWeb, no way around it, just like Watson! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
<strong>But I need the latest version of Flash and that rules out most of the newer browsers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I would think that would rule out most of the older browsers, not the new ones. Why con't you just go to Macromedia's webpage and download a plug-in? Forgive me if this is a stupid question, I use OS 9, so I know nothing about X browsers...
It's a sad fact that many pages were created with only IE in mind and do not display correctly on other browsers. IE's CSS implementation is flawed and does not follow the W3 specification. So even Mozilla with its near full CSS implementation won't render all pages because of this.
I keep a copy of Mozilla, IE and iCab on my system for testing my web pages. I code to HTML v4 and XHTML v1 spec, and if it doesn't display correctly in IE then that's not my problem.
[ 06-10-2002: Message edited by: senjaz ]</p>
because it wuz fast and reliable (three years ago i never would have put that micro$oft dirt on my hd - what have i become?).
netscape 6.x was about 15 minutes on my hd (don't you crash on me the first time i start you, b!tch!)
after waiting a long time for mozilla - i am finaly very pleased with speed and rendering.
but as a webdesigner/publisher i have to go with the heard and use ie (at least for checking my stuff).
and yes: i noticed the plus of speed since i got dsl.
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but as a webdesigner/publisher i have to go with the heard and use ie (at least for checking my stuff).
and yes: i noticed the plus of speed since i got dsl.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, you'll probably find that Moz 1.0 renders closer to IE on the PC than IE 5.1 on the Mac does to IE on the PC, especially for DHTML.
Moz really is hands down the better browser. It has support for a multitude of web standards that OW is years away from supporting (CSS 2 will probably be implemented in Moz before CSS 1 is completed in OW just to give you an idea), behaves better and speeds past IE, and in general, is incredibly stable. I think you'll find that in the next year or so, sites are really going to jump in complexity as less and less sites support Netscape 4.x in all its crappiness, and this will free them to add in features that only IE and Moz currently support. This is when we'll be glad Moz exists, and it will really shine.
Plus, tab browsing, especially for reading forums like these, really is teh win. Command + click on all the threads I want to read, they load in the background as a tab, and I can switch between them easily without cluttering my screen real estate.
[ 06-10-2002: Message edited by: loneranger ]</p>
OmniWeb is not compatable enough for me yet... yes it's fast, but there are too many sites it cannot handle well yet... some not at all.
For me... I still use IE because it is easily a one-stop browser. It handles all of my needs for now until either OW gets more complete or until I can figure-out why Chimera is not happy logged-in as me. If I log in as a guest or different user, it works fine.
- Scott
With Silk, I'm pretty happy with it. I was using Omniweb for a while, but it's just too dog slow, and I'd periodically have to use IE for some pages.
What does everyone here have against iCab? It runs machines from 68k to present, it's small and fast, and it renders more pages correctly than OmniWeb.
[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
<strong>...Blocking pop-ups (I know Mozilla does this, but Omniweb did it first), the only browser I know of the blocks ads ... and the ability to have Omniweb pretend it's IE, which is great for stupid websites that think OmniWeb can't handle it's features, like iTools)...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And I should point out that iCab did this about 2 years before OmniWeb. Plus, iCab offers far more powerful filters than OmniWeb.
2/ Chimera : Fast baby steps
3/ IE : If you want to target 95% of the web audience, you will need it if you are webdesigner.
with chimera,and it crashed( being a beta and all). Mozilla has nice
eye candy stuff, and icab has the little happy, sad face in the corner to
tell me if a page is naughty or nice. Mozilla loads pages a little faster
than icab but icab has a little more functionality.
And maybe we should keep the browser thing off the system side, that
just seems unsecure to me in a paraniod kind of way, he he...and a little
winblows like.....
A lot of people here really like Mozilla, don't they? I don't like it. I think it's interface is worse than IE- that search button!?! There are frequent stalls and other ickiness to deal with too.
MEow/WOEm