I just downloaded the trial version of '09 and extremely disappointed that the ability to print an envelope with a letter is still a missing feature. Seriously, when you right a letter you have to mail it in an envelope. I have sent Apple numerous feedbacks on this issue. Apparently they don't listen. I am the only one who thinks this is essential for business use?
Besides being pretty and a quality application with more functionality, Numbers is still waiting to catch up to Quattro Pro back in the early 90s, Pages.app doesn't touch applications like InDesign, Quark, Framemaker and it doesn't have the consistency and power of applications like TeXShop, LyX, Kile, and other LaTeX/XeLaTeX applications.
I'm glad they finally got more Cocoa functionality with delegates and Services to allow cross pollination between applications, but for cryin' out loud: these applications are so far behind Quantrix, Improv, and countless other NeXTstep applications that it's clear they aren't making them heavy weight caliber applications.
Keynote is the one standout, because Steve needs it to be his application for presentations.
Besides being pretty and a quality application with more functionality, Numbers is still waiting to catch up to Quattro Pro back in the early 90s, Pages.app doesn't touch applications like InDesign, Quark, Framemaker and it doesn't have the consistency and power of applications like TeXShop, LyX, Kile, and other LaTeX/XeLaTeX applications.
At $79 for the suite, I don't believe these apps are trying to come anywhere close to Quark/Framemaker or InDesign. As for the LaTeX apps, I doubt many users even have X11 installed on their machines, much less the interest in creating documents formatted with tags. Back in the old SVR3 days I created many of my college reports formatted in nroff and troff. That doesn't mean I want to go back to those days
For me, these apps do pretty much everything I need, more easily, with more elegance, and for less than I can do with MS Office and thus iWork has replaced Office on my personal machine. At work I use NeoOffice when I have to do something iWork doesn't do, but I still (greatly) prefer the interface in iWork.
Maybe iWork.com is to allow us to share with windows users. I bet iWork already runs on WinXP since the cocoa platform has been ported probably (Safari +iTunes), but apple will not release it now.
For me, an academic professional, iWork has replaced MSOffice. Much easier to generate reports presentations printouts you name it. It won't replace MS Office for now, but I find myself rarely using Office these days, and with error bars, hopefully very very very rarely.
I never said Apple shouldn't be profitable. I said they could easily offer iWork.com for free and still be profitable. You really think Apple would go out of business if they'd offer MobileMe or iWork.com for free? It would be a nice move towards its customers, who are forced to buy top of the line hardware, even if they don't need it. (or go second hand, but lots of people are afraid of that)
1. "Apple is well worth the money when you add in all the free software that comes with the Mac."
2. "Apple has to charge for the software you used to get for free, it is a business not a charity."
3. I you add in the high costs of owning a Mac it is expensive.
I'm excited. It looks like the two big huge gripes I had with iWork have both been taken care of: inability to do proper scatter plots with trendlines in Numbers; and no integrated equation editor in Pages.
/me fantasizes briefly that it was his feedback that was responsible for these awesome changes!
Ok, nuf of that. But seriously, this is going to make my lab reports so much easier to do.
Downloading the trial now just to see one thing. Is the numbers performance better?
If it can handle fairly large tables on my PBG4 without lagging like the current version, I'm going to be all over it.
I think it's fairly obvious that iWork.com is to make it easier for people in mixed environments to switch to iWork. In my case, I have to get comments from my advisor who uses Windows and is very averse to trying new things of ANY complication, so converting documents with equations and graphics to and from word is simply not an option (he doesn't even like if I use a different version of Word, itself!). If iWork.com works decently, coupled with endnote and equation features (hopefully, they allow others to build plugins, e.g. better latexit integration) I will be switching completely to Pages.
My Pages experience has been that it is the best word processor out there except for:
* lack of bibliography support
* lack of cross-reference support
* co-authoring with non-iWork people presents problems
well the first is covered by Endnote.
the third by the export functions and being about to iwork.com in multiple formats.
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Originally Posted by Lorre
iWork.com fee based?
lets wait and see what the fee is going to be. it is possible they may decide to blend it into the same service as mobile me so no extra cost. or it could be handled as a choice of separate membership for X price or adding to your existing mobile me for a reduced add on price. perhaps with even adding a small amount of additional space to your MM account.
Okay. Does anyone know if the animation in Keynote '09 will work through iWork.com on Microsoft Powerpoint?? It is so much easier to make a presentation in keynote, but the animations do not translate to Powerpoint. Which sucks sooooo much and makes me sad. Microsoft has yet to make a Mac compatible Powerpoint that has point to point animation. So, in order to have them I have to use my fiance's PC and I HATE that PC.
Also, I realize Apple is a company and their purpose is to make money, but would it kill them to have an Upgrade version for a little cheaper? Why are we forced to buy a full version again? If you want to use the new bibliography function in Pages (which would be fabulous) you have to upgrade to EndNote X2 (another 80 bucks or so). So, it's a total of $160. Why should I do that when I can just continue to use Word 2004 with EndNote X? However, if Keynote is now much more compatible with Powerpoint....I just might have to take the plunge and buy iWork '09.
Apple really needs to include iWork for free with the purchase of any new Mac like they do with iLife. I can't think of a better way to hook their users.
Okay. Does anyone know if the animation in Keynote '09 will work through iWork.com on Microsoft Powerpoint?? It is so much easier to make a presentation in keynote, but the animations do not translate to Powerpoint. Which sucks sooooo much and makes me sad. Microsoft has yet to make a Mac compatible Powerpoint that has point to point animation. So, in order to have them I have to use my fiance's PC and I HATE that PC.
Also, I realize Apple is a company and their purpose is to make money, but would it kill them to have an Upgrade version for a little cheaper? Why are we forced to buy a full version again? If you want to use the new bibliography function in Pages (which would be fabulous) you have to upgrade to EndNote X2 (another 80 bucks or so). So, it's a total of $160. Why should I do that when I can just continue to use Word 2004 with EndNote X? However, if Keynote is now much more compatible with Powerpoint....I just might have to take the plunge and buy iWork '09.
The answer to your first question is "no". It is the limitations of PowerPoint that prevent this. Micro$ucks needs to add the support - not Apple.
And, iWork (or iLife) for $79 is a hella deal vs. $500 for a full version of Office.
Apple really needs to include iWork for free with the purchase of any new Mac like they do with iLife. I can't think of a better way to hook their users.
I think they've done a good job by making it $40 with a new Mac purchase. iWork is really fantastic and this new version really shores up some of the issues that many had requested.
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Originally Posted by Cubert
The answer to your first question is "no". It is the limitations of PowerPoint that prevent this. Micro$ucks needs to add the support - not Apple.
And, iWork (or iLife) for $79 is a hella deal vs. $500 for a full version of Office.
I have no need for Office and that makes me VERY happy.
I am trying out the iWork demo and these are just a few things that I really like so far.
Instead of saying Export, now they use Save As. (Edit: still has Export....Save As to a Word Document is new)
Added Open Recent button to the bottom of the Template Chooser
Keynote now has a menu item that lets you reduce the file size. It estimates the potential reduction before you give it a try. It works great.
sharing the files via email now greatly reduces the size of your original. I had a Keynote file in version 08 that was 21MB as a pdf. In version 09 this came out to 9,2MB. (I had some large graphics that I could have taken time to reduce but now iWork does this for me). And with this email feature it has eliminated the need to Export (Save As) a file and then send. So no extra files cluttering up your hard drive.
Scrolling over the templates to see all the pages or masters like in iPhoto is fantastic.
Seems speedier than 08, even on my 6 year old 12 inch PB.
At $79 for the suite, I don't believe these apps are trying to come anywhere close to Quark/Framemaker or InDesign. As for the LaTeX apps, I doubt many users even have X11 installed on their machines, much less the interest in creating documents formatted with tags. Back in the old SVR3 days I created many of my college reports formatted in nroff and troff. That doesn't mean I want to go back to those days
For me, these apps do pretty much everything I need, more easily, with more elegance, and for less than I can do with MS Office and thus iWork has replaced Office on my personal machine. At work I use NeoOffice when I have to do something iWork doesn't do, but I still (greatly) prefer the interface in iWork.
You don't need X11 for LaTeX. It's hard to imagine producing any mathematical document with anything but TeX unless you are thinking of just basic equations. While I quite understand your aversion to troff ( nightmares....) you might want to have a look at LyX. It's a very good front-end to LaTeX and it's free and doesn't require X11.
The addition of MathType 6 support to pages is good news. Hopefully they will get the baseline stuff right and support drag and drop. Nisus is wonderful for that and makes a perfect companion to MathType.
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I just downloaded the trial version of '09 and extremely disappointed that the ability to print an envelope with a letter is still a missing feature. Seriously, when you right a letter you have to mail it in an envelope. I have sent Apple numerous feedbacks on this issue. Apparently they don't listen. I am the only one who thinks this is essential for business use?
Of course- it's madatory! No envelope? No good.
The title of the "Apple - Pages - Welcome Scree"
Yup no 'n' on it.
I'm glad they finally got more Cocoa functionality with delegates and Services to allow cross pollination between applications, but for cryin' out loud: these applications are so far behind Quantrix, Improv, and countless other NeXTstep applications that it's clear they aren't making them heavy weight caliber applications.
Keynote is the one standout, because Steve needs it to be his application for presentations.
This is glaring too.
The title of the "Apple - Pages - Welcome Scree"
Yup no 'n' on it.
Post a screen cap. Teh Steve should see this for himself.
Post a screen cap. Teh Steve should see this for himself.
Turns out it's also a problem for the Keynote welcome screen too.
Looks as if the title text has a specified width that is allowed btu there is too much text for it.
Screens as you requested:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/...afa1e1.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/...91949b.jpg?v=0
Besides being pretty and a quality application with more functionality, Numbers is still waiting to catch up to Quattro Pro back in the early 90s, Pages.app doesn't touch applications like InDesign, Quark, Framemaker and it doesn't have the consistency and power of applications like TeXShop, LyX, Kile, and other LaTeX/XeLaTeX applications.
At $79 for the suite, I don't believe these apps are trying to come anywhere close to Quark/Framemaker or InDesign. As for the LaTeX apps, I doubt many users even have X11 installed on their machines, much less the interest in creating documents formatted with tags. Back in the old SVR3 days I created many of my college reports formatted in nroff and troff. That doesn't mean I want to go back to those days
For me, these apps do pretty much everything I need, more easily, with more elegance, and for less than I can do with MS Office and thus iWork has replaced Office on my personal machine. At work I use NeoOffice when I have to do something iWork doesn't do, but I still (greatly) prefer the interface in iWork.
Having error bars is great, thanks Apple.
Maybe iWork.com is to allow us to share with windows users. I bet iWork already runs on WinXP since the cocoa platform has been ported probably (Safari +iTunes), but apple will not release it now.
For me, an academic professional, iWork has replaced MSOffice. Much easier to generate reports presentations printouts you name it. It won't replace MS Office for now, but I find myself rarely using Office these days, and with error bars, hopefully very very very rarely.
Pages is an appealing application from a designer's perspective.
Now, if they only add bleed and crop-marks.
?and spot color and proper PDFX/3 support and right to left text and a proper selection tool?
But then "Apple is listening to you, and the answer is NO! We are going to put more things on the iRack!"
Sorry, I meant does it have 64,000 columns and a gazillion rows?
It doesn't need them because it deals with sections of spreads. What the limits of those is, is another question.
I never said Apple shouldn't be profitable. I said they could easily offer iWork.com for free and still be profitable. You really think Apple would go out of business if they'd offer MobileMe or iWork.com for free? It would be a nice move towards its customers, who are forced to buy top of the line hardware, even if they don't need it. (or go second hand, but lots of people are afraid of that)
1. "Apple is well worth the money when you add in all the free software that comes with the Mac."
2. "Apple has to charge for the software you used to get for free, it is a business not a charity."
3. I you add in the high costs of owning a Mac it is expensive.
4. Back to 1… ad infinitum…
/me fantasizes briefly that it was his feedback that was responsible for these awesome changes!
Ok, nuf of that. But seriously, this is going to make my lab reports so much easier to do.
Good birthday present! Thank you, Steve!
C
If it can handle fairly large tables on my PBG4 without lagging like the current version, I'm going to be all over it.
I think it's fairly obvious that iWork.com is to make it easier for people in mixed environments to switch to iWork. In my case, I have to get comments from my advisor who uses Windows and is very averse to trying new things of ANY complication, so converting documents with equations and graphics to and from word is simply not an option (he doesn't even like if I use a different version of Word, itself!). If iWork.com works decently, coupled with endnote and equation features (hopefully, they allow others to build plugins, e.g. better latexit integration) I will be switching completely to Pages.
And many happy returns to you, my friend!
My Pages experience has been that it is the best word processor out there except for:
* lack of bibliography support
* lack of cross-reference support
* co-authoring with non-iWork people presents problems
well the first is covered by Endnote.
the third by the export functions and being about to iwork.com in multiple formats.
iWork.com fee based?
lets wait and see what the fee is going to be. it is possible they may decide to blend it into the same service as mobile me so no extra cost. or it could be handled as a choice of separate membership for X price or adding to your existing mobile me for a reduced add on price. perhaps with even adding a small amount of additional space to your MM account.
Also, I realize Apple is a company and their purpose is to make money, but would it kill them to have an Upgrade version for a little cheaper? Why are we forced to buy a full version again? If you want to use the new bibliography function in Pages (which would be fabulous) you have to upgrade to EndNote X2 (another 80 bucks or so). So, it's a total of $160. Why should I do that when I can just continue to use Word 2004 with EndNote X? However, if Keynote is now much more compatible with Powerpoint....I just might have to take the plunge and buy iWork '09.
Okay. Does anyone know if the animation in Keynote '09 will work through iWork.com on Microsoft Powerpoint?? It is so much easier to make a presentation in keynote, but the animations do not translate to Powerpoint. Which sucks sooooo much and makes me sad. Microsoft has yet to make a Mac compatible Powerpoint that has point to point animation. So, in order to have them I have to use my fiance's PC and I HATE that PC.
Also, I realize Apple is a company and their purpose is to make money, but would it kill them to have an Upgrade version for a little cheaper? Why are we forced to buy a full version again? If you want to use the new bibliography function in Pages (which would be fabulous) you have to upgrade to EndNote X2 (another 80 bucks or so). So, it's a total of $160. Why should I do that when I can just continue to use Word 2004 with EndNote X? However, if Keynote is now much more compatible with Powerpoint....I just might have to take the plunge and buy iWork '09.
The answer to your first question is "no". It is the limitations of PowerPoint that prevent this. Micro$ucks needs to add the support - not Apple.
And, iWork (or iLife) for $79 is a hella deal vs. $500 for a full version of Office.
Apple really needs to include iWork for free with the purchase of any new Mac like they do with iLife. I can't think of a better way to hook their users.
I think they've done a good job by making it $40 with a new Mac purchase. iWork is really fantastic and this new version really shores up some of the issues that many had requested.
The answer to your first question is "no". It is the limitations of PowerPoint that prevent this. Micro$ucks needs to add the support - not Apple.
And, iWork (or iLife) for $79 is a hella deal vs. $500 for a full version of Office.
I have no need for Office and that makes me VERY happy.
Instead of saying Export, now they use Save As. (Edit: still has Export....Save As to a Word Document is new)
Added Open Recent button to the bottom of the Template Chooser
Keynote now has a menu item that lets you reduce the file size. It estimates the potential reduction before you give it a try. It works great.
sharing the files via email now greatly reduces the size of your original. I had a Keynote file in version 08 that was 21MB as a pdf. In version 09 this came out to 9,2MB. (I had some large graphics that I could have taken time to reduce but now iWork does this for me). And with this email feature it has eliminated the need to Export (Save As) a file and then send. So no extra files cluttering up your hard drive.
Scrolling over the templates to see all the pages or masters like in iPhoto is fantastic.
Seems speedier than 08, even on my 6 year old 12 inch PB.
Buying a license now.
At $79 for the suite, I don't believe these apps are trying to come anywhere close to Quark/Framemaker or InDesign. As for the LaTeX apps, I doubt many users even have X11 installed on their machines, much less the interest in creating documents formatted with tags. Back in the old SVR3 days I created many of my college reports formatted in nroff and troff. That doesn't mean I want to go back to those days
For me, these apps do pretty much everything I need, more easily, with more elegance, and for less than I can do with MS Office and thus iWork has replaced Office on my personal machine. At work I use NeoOffice when I have to do something iWork doesn't do, but I still (greatly) prefer the interface in iWork.
You don't need X11 for LaTeX. It's hard to imagine producing any mathematical document with anything but TeX unless you are thinking of just basic equations. While I quite understand your aversion to troff ( nightmares....) you might want to have a look at LyX. It's a very good front-end to LaTeX and it's free and doesn't require X11.
The addition of MathType 6 support to pages is good news. Hopefully they will get the baseline stuff right and support drag and drop. Nisus is wonderful for that and makes a perfect companion to MathType.
philip