Gig-E PM (400-450DP-500DP G4)users...

macommentary · June 24, 2002 2:21PM

...has anyone had a good/bad experience with the OS 10.1.5 update. I'm looking forward to a few of the parts of the update, but I've heard horror stories about KPs from other people who own Gig-E PMs. Particularly, StarfleetX, did you ever successfully get your system working under 10.1.5?

ghost_user_name · June 24, 2002 5:29PM

Well, I don't seem to KP on startup any more... instead I now get a torn system folder for three or four or five restarts until it just magically decides to work. Yes, I've gone through all the typical fixes like zapping pram, repairing my disk with the various utilities, and pulling out hardware. No workie.

When attempting to use single-user mode, I find that the torn folder happens because messages are thrown up with various errors related to "com.apple.driver.AppleKeyLargo" and that it cannot be loaded. Ideas anyone?

Oh well. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Fortunately, I don't have to restart very often -- that's the only time I actually have problems. The system runs fine otherwise. It's just these other updates and "fixes" Apple keeps sending us that I restart for.

airsluf · June 24, 2002 8:04PM

macommentary · June 25, 2002 4:26PM

So Air Sluf, you have a DP from that edition and are running without problems?

wooster · June 25, 2002 5:16PM

I have a DP 450 and the only problem that I have after updating to 10.1.5 is that the DVD-player have become very unstable after using a memoryintensive program like Return to Castle Wolfenstein or Adobe Photoshop. It unexpectedly quits when it is about to show the first subtitles in the movie. This could of course be due to the newly installed Nvidia Geforce 4MX (Apple original).

No networkingproblems here.

[ 06-25-2002: Message edited by: wooster ]

sizzle chest · June 25, 2002 6:48PM

I had a wicked kernel panic while upgrading my DP450 to 10.1.5. I had a hard time rebooting into X at all (took several tries) and when I did, the system was completely hashed -- none of my drives or partitions were visible except the OSX system partition, none of my removable drives were visible, my ethernet connection to DSL was unavailable (could not be selected at all, greyed-out), and most of my dock icons were question marks. Since my other drives were invisible I couldn't even re-start into OS9 until I rebooted to an oS9 CD first. I was unable to repair the OSX installation no matter what I did, and had to go back to 10.0 and re-do everything from scratch. Pain in the ass!

On the other hand, 10.1.5 installed cleanly on my iBook... and I haven't noticed any problems in 10.1.5 on the Powermac since I re-installed everything from scratch.

macommentary · June 25, 2002 9:47PM

see... for ever story like woosters and air sluff's, there's one like sizzle chests' and starfleetX's. That's why I'm so reluctant to upgrade. It also only seems to be on these models. Hosting off of mac.com, I would like that fasster iDisk though...

macommentary · June 30, 2002 1:54AM

Tose having problems (such as starfleetX) do you have a SCSI card or any other card in your PM? I heard from someone in Apple that 3rd party cards could be the problem...

airsluf · June 30, 2002 2:32PM

sizzle chest · June 30, 2002 9:06PM

FWIW, as one of those reporting a problem with the 10.1.5 upgrade, I do not have a SCSI card or any other PCI card in my Powermac. I did have a Mark of the Unicorn audio interface until recently but removed it when I switched to their firewire version.... and neither of these audio interfaces are OSX supported anyway.

chilleymac · June 30, 2002 9:14PM

I have been running 10.1.5 on PB 500 since the update came out. I have not had any problems what so ever. I suppose I haven't taxed the system quite like these other guys but I would regard it as a rather uneventful update.

macommentary · July 1, 2002 8:27AM

I'm currently working on getting annother drive to install OSX 10.1.5 on to see if there are problems.

monsterjaeger · July 1, 2002 9:06AM

Since upgrading my Dual450 I've lost about 80% of my available screen resolutions and refresh rates. Nothing above 75Hz available anymore where there were rates up to 120Hz for lower res and 85Hz for the higher ones. Screen positioning of my secon screen doesn't stick. It aways defaults to the upper right corner of my primary screen where it should be bottom right.

Despite that X.1.5 works quite well for me.

aphelion · July 2, 2002 8:52AM

[quote]Originally posted by MaCommentary:

...has anyone had a good/bad experience with the OS 10.1.5 update. I'm looking forward to a few of the parts of the update, but I've heard horror stories about KPs from other people who own Gig-E PMs. Particularly, StarfleetX, did you ever successfully get your system working under 10.1.5?<hr></blockquote>

My DP 500 seems to run fine. My main system, a 450 Cube, which I use far more frequently as it's always on (noise factor) runs fine as well under 10.1.5. If you could be more specific about problem areas I'll try them out.

tarimko bintasir · July 2, 2002 11:20AM

No problems for me whatsoever!

taco · July 2, 2002 2:09PM

I thought I'd share my experiences with a dual processor G4.

You have the honor of reading my first post in these forums. ;-) Let me say that I'm a software developer and have experience running OS X on several machines since the first Rhapsody developer preview. I think it's fair to say that I have a lot of experience in this area.

My main system is as follows:

Power Mac Dual G4/450

512 MB RAM

40 GB + 80 GB Maxtor--we'll see how long this lasts ;-)

Radeon 32 MB in AGP slot

Apple 17" LCD

Harmon Kardon SoundSticks (USB)

I also have the usual assortment of Firewire and USB printers, scanners, mice, etc.

I have run every major and minor update of OS X on this machine and have never had a kernel panic that wasn't the result of 1) bad hardware, 2) third party driver issues, or 3) corrupted disk. I installed 10.1.5 the day it became available and have had no problems. When I say "never" I mean "never in a final, public build."

Here are the problems I've had:

1) The original 30 GB IBM "Deathstar" hard drive died a typical death, as did the 60 GB replacement drive. I'm just waiting for my two current Maxtor drives to suffer from the "two beeps" problem. <sigh>

2) Bad memory. The original 128 MB RAM module that shipped in my machine is damaged. I was having crashes and kernel panics like crazy all of the sudden for no apparent reason. After removing all but essential hardware, reformatting my drives and reinstalling several times I finally was about to call Apple when I decided to run the Hardware Test CD that came with my machine, which is how I discovered the bad memory. Oddly, I've seen this same problem on another dual processor G4.

I'll metion this here because I haven't seen it anywhere else. After updating to 10.1.5, I notice that when playing Audio CDs or MP3s, I hear some distortion in my SoundSticks that was not evident before. I haven't had the time to track down what the cause is.

StarfleetX, I have two suggestions for troubleshooting your problems:

1) Use your Hardware Test CD to find bad RAM. Seeing com.apple.driver.AppleKeyLargo may be completely misleading in that it just so happens that this driver is getting loaded into a place in memory that fails sometimes. I'd even go as far as to say that the initialization code for the driver is getting loaded into bad RAM so when you boot up, if the memory works correctly, then you're safe, and if not, you're toast.

2) Reset your power manager. As you probably know, KeyLargo is the I/O controller. The most common problems relating to this are power manager issues. The other thing I can think of is a damaged IDE drive cable. To reset your power manager, check out Apple Knowledge Base article #95037.

For those of you worried about updating, I cannot stress enough that before you apply an OS X update, make sure your disks are in good condition! Start up from your OS X CD (or from OS 9 if you wish) and run Disk Utility or Disk First Aid, respectively. I have never personally seen an OS X machine suffer from the "hanging during optimizing" problems that people encounter but it always turns out afterward that there is directory and permissions issues that were probably evident before the update.

One last thing to stress is this: don't mess with your OS X installation from OS 9. This is asking for trouble.

ghost_user_name · July 2, 2002 2:37PM

now THAT'S a first post.

Welcome, sir.

macommentary · July 3, 2002 12:06PM

[quote]Originally posted by taco:

I thought I'd share my experiences with a dual processor G4.

Here are the problems I've had:

1) The original 30 GB IBM "Deathstar" hard drive died a typical death, as did the 60 GB replacement drive. I'm just waiting for my two current Maxtor drives to suffer from the "two beeps" problem. <sigh>

For those of you worried about updating, I cannot stress enough that before you apply an OS X update, make sure your disks are in good condition! Start up from your OS X CD (or from OS 9 if you wish) and run Disk Utility or Disk First Aid, respectively. I have never personally seen an OS X machine suffer from the "hanging during optimizing" problems that people encounter but it always turns out afterward that there is directory and permissions issues that were probably evident before the update.

One last thing to stress is this: don't mess with your OS X installation from OS 9. This is asking for trouble.<hr></blockquote>

Ok, I've officially gone to 10.1.5 and had no problems so far... I was trying to avoid having to buy a hard drive, but found myself with a KP BEFORE I UPGRADED! So I took my computer into the local Genius Bar and they tryied to fix it, only to tell me that I needed to get a new hard drive because my original one was so corrupted that OSX couldn't even be reinstalled properly.

2 days and $100 later I have two hard drives in my computer, each one running OSX fine.

LESSONS LEARNED:

1)BACKUP and completely re-initialize your HD when istalling OSX when possible

2)CREATE backups often

3)RUN Disk Warrior on a regular basis.

4)KEEP a small partition with only MacOS9 on it so that if you do screw up OSX, you can still boot your computer.

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