Gee I would of thought after 20 posts someone with a decent amount of knowledge and less hot air will correct people here.
Firstly, app launch has a LOT to do with hardware, not software. DDR rams, fast HDs can make or break launch apps comparasions. WHy not just stick a good scsi in there if you want to boast.
Second, Windows is a "window" based UI. How do you know you have quit an app? For PS, at least it is UIed it correctly. For IE, forget about it, it's "intergrated" into the system. It can come almost instanteous for boasting purposes.
And as someone mentioned before, .dlls make a lot of differences.
OH and don't forget ram caching, when you do the old virual HD trick. bypass the HD alltogether.
IF you want to win with this pointless boasting, simply "Cheat" it far to easy.
And I don't see how it's important in the overall scheme in things.The only time you need fast launch speeds is when you're multi-tasking already, which is another case altogether.
I don't want to argue Windows or Mac being faster on opening apps, because if anyone wants to race. Take it to OS 9 and compare. My guess is OS 9 may be faster than Windows even IE and OE.
I accept OS X being slow for a few reasons. I can't remember my last crash. I like the way OS X looks...sorry i like eye candy. Xp's playschool look doesn't fit me <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I have a powerbook G3 400 pismo, and a dual ghz. Both have OS X on them, and of course the dual is way faster. When I 1st used it....it became the 1st time OS X felt as fast as OS 9 had to me on my previous systems. OS X is growing, and updates have been fast over-all.
There will be a point and time people on older G3's will be happy with OS X's performance. I am a true believer that this OS will not only be stable, but faster in the future. I'm not talking Jaguar fast either.....I mean faster.
Apple has done an amazing job with OS X, sometimes we all forget.
<strong>I have to disagree. My PC is a PII 300 Mhz 256MB of RAM running Windows XP Home. My mac is a 400 Mhz iMac with 320 MB of RAM. My PC is faster at everything. IE launches faster and renders web pages faster on my PC than my MAC. OE is quicker on my PC than Mail on my Mac. I like OS X and I like my Mac. But often OS X is not faster than XP. Even when XP is running on older hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1. Go to <a href="http://www.macosx.com"; target="_blank">www.macosx.com</a> and read the forums there, they have some excellent HOWTO's on speeding up your internet access. It all has to do with how OSX's default internet configuration translates into apparently slower internet transfers.
2. IE is a bloated piece of junk. It's twice the size or more of some of the other browsers. Try Omniweb, Opera or Mozilla. Just as functional, smaller size, quicker performance.
3. Microsoft knows the illusion of speed is a strong selling point. That's why they load just enough of the OS on startup to get you to the desktop and allow you to start clicking. You'll notice your hard drive chugs away for a good 15 to 20 seconds after that point as Windows continues to finish loading. I'm sure they do this with many of their apps on the Windows side as well, whereas the Mac BU doesn't.
4. Windows XP is way more stable than previous versions, but it still doesn't touch linux or OS X for stability. I find XP about as stable as OS 8.6 was. I'll take the stability over the quicker start times any day.
5. Jaguar will introduce Altivec optimizations, among others, which according to Apple will eliminate the spinning beachball. I can't wait.
6. OS X is based on an open source project. Open source projects are the future of vast software programs such as OSes. OS X will eventually (if it hasn't already come Jaguar) leave Windows in the dust (unless MS changes their closed development strategy).
7. OS X is a much faster operating system to navigate, use, work with, work in, etc. The dock is amazing. I can launch Entourage, Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, iTunes, Omniweb, IE, and Word in less than 3 seconds.
8. Should I even mention security, cost, trustworthiness, and open standards?
You are soooo right. There's no compromise for stability and security.
Like others have said, I leave my Mac on all the time and just put it into sleep mode. I also leave programs running in the dock even when I'm not using them. My Mac NEVER crashes, and that's worth more to me than a 1 sec difference in startup time.
With respect to your point #1, I browsed the forums at <a href="http://www.macosx.com"; target="_blank">www.macosx.com</a> and didn't really find anything of the sort, "do this and IE on the Mac will be faster". What I did find was a lot of discussion about different browsers. I have tried other browsers under OS X, but I seem to always fall back to using IE. That's probably because I also use it under XP.
With respect to your point #2, I like IE and choose to use it. Given that it is preloaded on both my Mac and PC, it really matters very little to me how big they are. There?s still a LOT of space left over. Yes, when I had my Powerbook 170 I cared, but RAM and disk were smaller then and I seem to remember having to be more selective about what I had installed.
Your point #3 is excellent. It is annoying to have XP render the desktop and then you start clicking on apps but nothing launches because XP is still booting everything up. It has become sort of a game for me when I start the PC ? how long do I wait before my first click of an app icon in the toolbar. Most of the time I click too soon and lose.
With respect to your point #4, I think it depends a lot on what applications you are running. For example, I use XP Pro at work 24/7 on a Dell PC and it never crashes. However, I mostly run IE and Exceed. Okay, once it rebooted auto-magically. But that?s once in a month of continuous use. That?s comparable to my Sun workstation. (Which is great for design, but lousy at web surfing. Thus, the switch to Exceed on the PC.) Even my iMac doesn?t crash anymore under Mac OS X. It seemed to crash often under Mac OS 9. I agree that stability is important and Mac OS X is very stable.
As for #5, I am also looking forward to Jaguar. I?m very interested in its VPN support.
I disagree with your point #6. I think that the ?future? of any OS continues to be revenue driven. That?s why I closely follow Apple?s future hardware plans.
I also disagree with point #7, primarily because unlike XP, OS X does not remember my view settings. They are constantly being changed back to some default. Yes, I read about the invisible .DS_Store file? Groan. Apple should address the issue.
I open apps as I need them in OS X, and after a week or so, EVERYTHING I could possibly need is up and running. I rarely quit an app. And OS X never crashes on me.
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Firstly, app launch has a LOT to do with hardware, not software. DDR rams, fast HDs can make or break launch apps comparasions. WHy not just stick a good scsi in there if you want to boast.
Second, Windows is a "window" based UI. How do you know you have quit an app? For PS, at least it is UIed it correctly. For IE, forget about it, it's "intergrated" into the system. It can come almost instanteous for boasting purposes.
And as someone mentioned before, .dlls make a lot of differences.
OH and don't forget ram caching, when you do the old virual HD trick. bypass the HD alltogether.
IF you want to win with this pointless boasting, simply "Cheat" it far to easy.
And I don't see how it's important in the overall scheme in things.The only time you need fast launch speeds is when you're multi-tasking already, which is another case altogether.
~Kuku
I accept OS X being slow for a few reasons. I can't remember my last crash. I like the way OS X looks...sorry i like eye candy. Xp's playschool look doesn't fit me <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I have a powerbook G3 400 pismo, and a dual ghz. Both have OS X on them, and of course the dual is way faster. When I 1st used it....it became the 1st time OS X felt as fast as OS 9 had to me on my previous systems. OS X is growing, and updates have been fast over-all.
There will be a point and time people on older G3's will be happy with OS X's performance. I am a true believer that this OS will not only be stable, but faster in the future. I'm not talking Jaguar fast either.....I mean faster.
Apple has done an amazing job with OS X, sometimes we all forget.
And just put your computer to sleep. Why turn it off?
Huh stupid.
I sure you just counted. And you porbably slowed down on the mac. And probably used a 1.6 gig XP with a 333 G3.
And another thing I personally like all my RAM just where it is. Thats whats stupid about PC's they use too much RAM unessacarily.
I take your tests as good news, because now I know that I dont get all my RAM hogged up when I dont want it to.
<strong>I have to disagree. My PC is a PII 300 Mhz 256MB of RAM running Windows XP Home. My mac is a 400 Mhz iMac with 320 MB of RAM. My PC is faster at everything. IE launches faster and renders web pages faster on my PC than my MAC. OE is quicker on my PC than Mail on my Mac. I like OS X and I like my Mac. But often OS X is not faster than XP. Even when XP is running on older hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1. Go to <a href="http://www.macosx.com"; target="_blank">www.macosx.com</a> and read the forums there, they have some excellent HOWTO's on speeding up your internet access. It all has to do with how OSX's default internet configuration translates into apparently slower internet transfers.
2. IE is a bloated piece of junk. It's twice the size or more of some of the other browsers. Try Omniweb, Opera or Mozilla. Just as functional, smaller size, quicker performance.
3. Microsoft knows the illusion of speed is a strong selling point. That's why they load just enough of the OS on startup to get you to the desktop and allow you to start clicking. You'll notice your hard drive chugs away for a good 15 to 20 seconds after that point as Windows continues to finish loading. I'm sure they do this with many of their apps on the Windows side as well, whereas the Mac BU doesn't.
4. Windows XP is way more stable than previous versions, but it still doesn't touch linux or OS X for stability. I find XP about as stable as OS 8.6 was. I'll take the stability over the quicker start times any day.
5. Jaguar will introduce Altivec optimizations, among others, which according to Apple will eliminate the spinning beachball. I can't wait.
6. OS X is based on an open source project. Open source projects are the future of vast software programs such as OSes. OS X will eventually (if it hasn't already come Jaguar) leave Windows in the dust (unless MS changes their closed development strategy).
7. OS X is a much faster operating system to navigate, use, work with, work in, etc. The dock is amazing. I can launch Entourage, Illustrator, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, iTunes, Omniweb, IE, and Word in less than 3 seconds.
8. Should I even mention security, cost, trustworthiness, and open standards?
Like others have said, I leave my Mac on all the time and just put it into sleep mode. I also leave programs running in the dock even when I'm not using them. My Mac NEVER crashes, and that's worth more to me than a 1 sec difference in startup time.
With respect to your point #1, I browsed the forums at <a href="http://www.macosx.com"; target="_blank">www.macosx.com</a> and didn't really find anything of the sort, "do this and IE on the Mac will be faster". What I did find was a lot of discussion about different browsers. I have tried other browsers under OS X, but I seem to always fall back to using IE. That's probably because I also use it under XP.
With respect to your point #2, I like IE and choose to use it. Given that it is preloaded on both my Mac and PC, it really matters very little to me how big they are. There?s still a LOT of space left over. Yes, when I had my Powerbook 170 I cared, but RAM and disk were smaller then and I seem to remember having to be more selective about what I had installed.
Your point #3 is excellent. It is annoying to have XP render the desktop and then you start clicking on apps but nothing launches because XP is still booting everything up. It has become sort of a game for me when I start the PC ? how long do I wait before my first click of an app icon in the toolbar. Most of the time I click too soon and lose.
With respect to your point #4, I think it depends a lot on what applications you are running. For example, I use XP Pro at work 24/7 on a Dell PC and it never crashes. However, I mostly run IE and Exceed. Okay, once it rebooted auto-magically. But that?s once in a month of continuous use. That?s comparable to my Sun workstation. (Which is great for design, but lousy at web surfing. Thus, the switch to Exceed on the PC.) Even my iMac doesn?t crash anymore under Mac OS X. It seemed to crash often under Mac OS 9. I agree that stability is important and Mac OS X is very stable.
As for #5, I am also looking forward to Jaguar. I?m very interested in its VPN support.
I disagree with your point #6. I think that the ?future? of any OS continues to be revenue driven. That?s why I closely follow Apple?s future hardware plans.
I also disagree with point #7, primarily because unlike XP, OS X does not remember my view settings. They are constantly being changed back to some default. Yes, I read about the invisible .DS_Store file? Groan. Apple should address the issue.
I open apps as I need them in OS X, and after a week or so, EVERYTHING I could possibly need is up and running. I rarely quit an app. And OS X never crashes on me.
Maybe my case is unique?
I've read your posts several times. Since I've posted more than 20 times I guess I should be able to understand what you are trying to say.
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