Can't it be summarily be thrown out for having as a basis a supremely idiotic claim?
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The suit is the second to be filed this week (among many others over the past several months) claiming the iPhone 3G performs poorly when connected via 3G because it "demand(s) too much power from the 3G bandwidths."
All products should be made of indestructible diamond, and should be invisible to prevent ever being stained by dirt. And 100% of the millions of units made should be flawless--none should ever develop a problem that needs to be fixed (so then, no need for warranties at all).
Until that beautiful day arrives, though, I'll just be glad for my good luck: my badly-mistreated iPhone 3G has zero cracks after 5 months (I've looked all around the ports and openings) and the only scratches are slight: from putting it my pocket with gravel. (Yes. Don't ask.) Interestingly, the chrome frame scuffed a bit from the gravel, while the plastic did not.
I wondering any of those guys and gals wear watches without hairline cracks... Driving cars with the body or window without ware and tear. (I assume they never use any matching "nail polishing" on the car external surfaces). Sun glasses without a scratch. Their body never grow old, skin as new as day they were brought to this world....
As much as these crazy lawsuits are, well ... crazy, the part about the cracks seems all accurate to me.
white iPhones do have a hairline crack problem (I have one)
Apple did in fact continue to ship them after they knew about it
they don't have any plans to replace them for anyone or do anything about it
From what I have heard, Apple has taken the attitude that they will replace them *if* you come into the store, *if* you make an appointment with the genius, *if* the genius thinks it's "really bad," and *if* you strongly request it.
Basically they are ignoring it unless someone freaks out, then they give them a new one. It's not good policy, it's not fair, but it works I guess. I have known about my hairline cracks since they first appeared about a week after I first opened the box, but with the incredible hassle involved in doing something about it I have yet to make an appointment for my "freak out" at the apple store.
Why *should* the customer have to go through all that to get something like this fixed?
Perhaps because nothing is broken? The phone is still functioning and the casing isn't at risk of falling apart. What law states that a company must ship a product that will always look like new? Why is apple obligated to fix this issue? (it would obviously be nice if they did) The logic behind these lawsuits is well... not there. Do you also want to sue because new car smell fades in a week?
There should be high penalty is case of failure of such lawsuits if they are found to be just based on nothing solid and are just an almost risk-free attempt to make money.
Let's say the target of such lawsuit could ask for such penalty (with reasonable arguments) and then each and every one involved in the lawsuit would have to pay such penalty without the target having to solve that individually.
In our area, Northern Virginia, ATT has improved dramatically. I do not get dropped calls anymore and the 3G network works a lot better in more areas. ATT has finally become acceptable.
In our area, Northern Virginia, ATT has improved dramatically. I do not get dropped calls anymore and the 3G network works a lot better in more areas. ATT has finally become acceptable.
Well good for our friends in Northern Virginia. I know in Southeast Virginia, the area where I live the 3G map for broadband connection is great, however, it still shows on their "Voice" Coverage Map, Moderate service, that is, go outside if you want to make a call and still good luck with that, where I live. Now if I go down my street and cross over, the AT&T map indicates Good coverage and if I go down the block, Best coverage. So while one can pull up a web page fast on the AT&T 3G speed broadband network in my area, the ability to make and receive calls, according to their "voice" map, is still crappy! Use some of that money AT&T and enhance your cellular connection! Pleaseeeee!!!!
I guess that AT&T's "more bars in more places" blurb is true for others, just not for me and the "places" I'd like to use their service. I'll flip a coin... Heads I'll sue, Tails, I'll whine. Rats, tails... Wait, two out of three.... Rats.... Wait, three out of four... Rats...
Apple has deep pockets, and some people would apparently like to experiment with socialism...
I"m from Canada, somewhat more socialist than the U.S. and we don't have that many frivolous lawsuits...don't blame it on the socialists, blame it on the stupidists...
There should be high penalty is case of failure of such lawsuits if they are found to be just based on nothing solid and are just an almost risk-free attempt to make money.
Let's say the target of such lawsuit could ask for such penalty (with reasonable arguments) and then each and every one involved in the lawsuit would have to pay such penalty without the target having to solve that individually.
I totally agree that there should be higher stakes for those that pursue such lawsuits. I think in Germany, if you were to take a company to court like this (assuming it would get that far)--and lose, you would be required to pay for ALL legal fees (your lawyers fees + the defendant's lawyers fees + the court costs). That'll make most people think twice rolling the dice in court.
There needs to be something in place in the US to prevent such frivolous cases--the court system is not a lottery (and unfortunately there are many lawyers out there more than willing to capitalize on these BS cases--especially class action ones--where each claimant in the "class" get pennies if the case wins...and the legal pricks get tens of millions. Vomit.)
Do you sue because your jeans fade when you wash them.
These people who sue over these petty and childish and fictional things needs to grow up PLUS the American Legal system must be reformed as it is a disgrace.
Agreed, you think fading white is bad you should have seen my BlackBerry after just a month of owning it. At least the iPhone doesn't cover crappy plastic with painted on fake silver, which looks like absolute crap to begin with & that is before it rubs off after just a few uses.
Plastic is what it is man, Apple can't change all properties.
By the way, a lot of the issues with cracking on the MacBooks was not a result of flawed plastic but an engineering oversight. When they turned to magnetic latch they put the plastic bumps toward the spot where the magnets are so that it would force a gap, thus protecting your screen from smacking against your keyboard when closed. They neglected to consider the long term effects of that small point of pressure over time causing the plastic to crack & then break. Using rubber instead of bumping out the plastic or better reinforcing the plastic where it closes would have prevented this. For that oversight I believe they should pay for damage that occurs within the warranty, but cosmetics should never be guaranteed past warranty.
My white iPhone developed visible hairline cracks a few weeks after purchase, and I had never dropped it and always keep it in a protective case.
BUT...
I took it to my local Apple store and the exchanged it, free of charge, on the spot. Even switched the SIM card and activated it for me.
Last week I noticed dust under my screen. Same thing, took it in, gave me a new one on the spot free of charge. Came home, hit restore on iTunes, and was back up and running in no time.
So long as Apple continues to have excellent customer service like this, I put much more faith in the company with their ability to right their wrongs with hassle free replacements.
True, the hardware problem itself was a hassle, and shouldn't have occurred in the first place, but I've had MUCH less success and more hassle with other companies when it comes to fixing the problem.
What a bunch of whiner babies. Why is that only Apple seems to be sued for these ridiculous claims? Is it because of the cachet associated with Apple's products?
Apple has a radio transparent Zirconia material patent that would be better but it might still be is too expensive
Well if you want to make the shell out of zirconium-oxid you are into powder-injection-molding and sintering. That's way too expensive. The material will cost you at least 10x the price for the plastic per gramm. Furthermore the density will be about 6x that of plastic. If you add these two you are at about 60x the price just for the material.
Besides as we are talking about weight, the shell will weigh 6x that of the plastic shell, adding to the overall weight of the phone.
I even don't want to start with processing costs and feedstock development for these super slim shells. It may be possible but it would jack up the price considerably.
Sorry to burst that bubble.
As for the cracks in the plastic shell: their origin will most probably be in the injection molding process. Where you can find the holes in the shell the flow of the plastic has to split and then to rejoin again. If you are not fast enough with enough pressure in these areas the bond between the joining melt flows will not be very strong. As these cracks seem to happen randomly I think that they cannot replicate the necessary process parameters at an hight enough extent. If you open the door of the shop where you do the injection molding and the wind brings in cooler air, that can stop the whole show. Or it is just small differences in the molds.
Sorry for the lentgthy post. You can't hide your roots.
Well if you want to make the shell out of zirconium-oxid you are into powder-injection-molding and sintering. That's way too expensive. The material will cost you at least 10x the price for the plastic per gramm. Furthermore the density will be about 6x that of plastic. If you add these two you are at about 60x the price just for the material.
Besides as we are talking about weight, the shell will weigh 6x that of the plastic shell, adding to the overall weight of the phone.
I even don't want to start with processing costs and feedstock development for these super slim shells. It may be possible but it would jack up the price considerably.
Sorry to burst that bubble.
As for the cracks in the plastic shell: their origin will most probably be in the injection molding process. Where you can find the holes in the shell the flow of the plastic has to split and then to rejoin again. If you are not fast enough with enough pressure in these areas the bond between the joining melt flows will not be very strong. As these cracks seem to happen randomly I think that they cannot replicate the necessary process parameters at an hight enough extent. If you open the door of the shop where you do the injection molding and the wind brings in cooler air, that can stop the whole show. Or it is just small differences in the molds.
Sorry for the lentgthy post. You can't hide your roots.
When they get nano-technology off the ground for commercial production the world is gonna change big time. Look up Nokia Morph on YouTube & you'll see what I mean.
Yeah I've seen people with Black Berry's that look like they've been to hell and back. Few seem to mind the wear and tear.
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Agreed, you think fading white is bad you should have seen my BlackBerry after just a month of owning it. At least the iPhone doesn't cover crappy plastic with painted on fake silver, which looks like absolute crap to begin with & that is before it rubs off after just a few uses.
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The suit is the second to be filed this week (among many others over the past several months) claiming the iPhone 3G performs poorly when connected via 3G because it "demand(s) too much power from the 3G bandwidths."
Bwah?????
Until that beautiful day arrives, though, I'll just be glad for my good luck: my badly-mistreated iPhone 3G has zero cracks after 5 months (I've looked all around the ports and openings) and the only scratches are slight: from putting it my pocket with gravel. (Yes. Don't ask.) Interestingly, the chrome frame scuffed a bit from the gravel, while the plastic did not.
I want a pony!
thanks dude, that just made my day...
As much as these crazy lawsuits are, well ... crazy, the part about the cracks seems all accurate to me.
- white iPhones do have a hairline crack problem (I have one)
- Apple did in fact continue to ship them after they knew about it
- they don't have any plans to replace them for anyone or do anything about it
From what I have heard, Apple has taken the attitude that they will replace them *if* you come into the store, *if* you make an appointment with the genius, *if* the genius thinks it's "really bad," and *if* you strongly request it.Basically they are ignoring it unless someone freaks out, then they give them a new one. It's not good policy, it's not fair, but it works I guess. I have known about my hairline cracks since they first appeared about a week after I first opened the box, but with the incredible hassle involved in doing something about it I have yet to make an appointment for my "freak out" at the apple store.
Why *should* the customer have to go through all that to get something like this fixed?
Perhaps because nothing is broken? The phone is still functioning and the casing isn't at risk of falling apart. What law states that a company must ship a product that will always look like new? Why is apple obligated to fix this issue? (it would obviously be nice if they did) The logic behind these lawsuits is well... not there. Do you also want to sue because new car smell fades in a week?
Let's say the target of such lawsuit could ask for such penalty (with reasonable arguments) and then each and every one involved in the lawsuit would have to pay such penalty without the target having to solve that individually.
In our area, Northern Virginia, ATT has improved dramatically. I do not get dropped calls anymore and the 3G network works a lot better in more areas. ATT has finally become acceptable.
Well good for our friends in Northern Virginia. I know in Southeast Virginia, the area where I live the 3G map for broadband connection is great, however, it still shows on their "Voice" Coverage Map, Moderate service, that is, go outside if you want to make a call and still good luck with that, where I live. Now if I go down my street and cross over, the AT&T map indicates Good coverage and if I go down the block, Best coverage. So while one can pull up a web page fast on the AT&T 3G speed broadband network in my area, the ability to make and receive calls, according to their "voice" map, is still crappy! Use some of that money AT&T and enhance your cellular connection! Pleaseeeee!!!!
I guess that AT&T's "more bars in more places" blurb is true for others, just not for me and the "places" I'd like to use their service. I'll flip a coin... Heads I'll sue, Tails, I'll whine. Rats, tails... Wait, two out of three.... Rats.... Wait, three out of four... Rats...
Apple has deep pockets, and some people would apparently like to experiment with socialism...
I"m from Canada, somewhat more socialist than the U.S. and we don't have that many frivolous lawsuits...don't blame it on the socialists, blame it on the stupidists...
There should be high penalty is case of failure of such lawsuits if they are found to be just based on nothing solid and are just an almost risk-free attempt to make money.
Let's say the target of such lawsuit could ask for such penalty (with reasonable arguments) and then each and every one involved in the lawsuit would have to pay such penalty without the target having to solve that individually.
I totally agree that there should be higher stakes for those that pursue such lawsuits. I think in Germany, if you were to take a company to court like this (assuming it would get that far)--and lose, you would be required to pay for ALL legal fees (your lawyers fees + the defendant's lawyers fees + the court costs). That'll make most people think twice rolling the dice in court.
There needs to be something in place in the US to prevent such frivolous cases--the court system is not a lottery (and unfortunately there are many lawyers out there more than willing to capitalize on these BS cases--especially class action ones--where each claimant in the "class" get pennies if the case wins...and the legal pricks get tens of millions. Vomit.)
Yet another whiner!
It is a PHONE not a work of art!!!
Do you sue because your jeans fade when you wash them.
These people who sue over these petty and childish and fictional things needs to grow up PLUS the American Legal system must be reformed as it is a disgrace.
Agreed, you think fading white is bad you should have seen my BlackBerry after just a month of owning it. At least the iPhone doesn't cover crappy plastic with painted on fake silver, which looks like absolute crap to begin with & that is before it rubs off after just a few uses.
Plastic is what it is man, Apple can't change all properties.
By the way, a lot of the issues with cracking on the MacBooks was not a result of flawed plastic but an engineering oversight. When they turned to magnetic latch they put the plastic bumps toward the spot where the magnets are so that it would force a gap, thus protecting your screen from smacking against your keyboard when closed. They neglected to consider the long term effects of that small point of pressure over time causing the plastic to crack & then break. Using rubber instead of bumping out the plastic or better reinforcing the plastic where it closes would have prevented this. For that oversight I believe they should pay for damage that occurs within the warranty, but cosmetics should never be guaranteed past warranty.
BUT...
I took it to my local Apple store and the exchanged it, free of charge, on the spot. Even switched the SIM card and activated it for me.
Last week I noticed dust under my screen. Same thing, took it in, gave me a new one on the spot free of charge. Came home, hit restore on iTunes, and was back up and running in no time.
So long as Apple continues to have excellent customer service like this, I put much more faith in the company with their ability to right their wrongs with hassle free replacements.
True, the hardware problem itself was a hassle, and shouldn't have occurred in the first place, but I've had MUCH less success and more hassle with other companies when it comes to fixing the problem.
Apple has a radio transparent Zirconia material patent that would be better but it might still be is too expensive
Well if you want to make the shell out of zirconium-oxid you are into powder-injection-molding and sintering. That's way too expensive. The material will cost you at least 10x the price for the plastic per gramm. Furthermore the density will be about 6x that of plastic. If you add these two you are at about 60x the price just for the material.
Besides as we are talking about weight, the shell will weigh 6x that of the plastic shell, adding to the overall weight of the phone.
I even don't want to start with processing costs and feedstock development for these super slim shells. It may be possible but it would jack up the price considerably.
Sorry to burst that bubble.
As for the cracks in the plastic shell: their origin will most probably be in the injection molding process. Where you can find the holes in the shell the flow of the plastic has to split and then to rejoin again. If you are not fast enough with enough pressure in these areas the bond between the joining melt flows will not be very strong. As these cracks seem to happen randomly I think that they cannot replicate the necessary process parameters at an hight enough extent. If you open the door of the shop where you do the injection molding and the wind brings in cooler air, that can stop the whole show. Or it is just small differences in the molds.
Sorry for the lentgthy post. You can't hide your roots.
Apple uses cheap-ass plastics -no wonder their profit margins are so high!
Well if you want to make the shell out of zirconium-oxid you are into powder-injection-molding and sintering. That's way too expensive. The material will cost you at least 10x the price for the plastic per gramm. Furthermore the density will be about 6x that of plastic. If you add these two you are at about 60x the price just for the material.
Besides as we are talking about weight, the shell will weigh 6x that of the plastic shell, adding to the overall weight of the phone.
I even don't want to start with processing costs and feedstock development for these super slim shells. It may be possible but it would jack up the price considerably.
Sorry to burst that bubble.
As for the cracks in the plastic shell: their origin will most probably be in the injection molding process. Where you can find the holes in the shell the flow of the plastic has to split and then to rejoin again. If you are not fast enough with enough pressure in these areas the bond between the joining melt flows will not be very strong. As these cracks seem to happen randomly I think that they cannot replicate the necessary process parameters at an hight enough extent. If you open the door of the shop where you do the injection molding and the wind brings in cooler air, that can stop the whole show. Or it is just small differences in the molds.
Sorry for the lentgthy post. You can't hide your roots.
When they get nano-technology off the ground for commercial production the world is gonna change big time. Look up Nokia Morph on YouTube & you'll see what I mean.
Agreed, you think fading white is bad you should have seen my BlackBerry after just a month of owning it. At least the iPhone doesn't cover crappy plastic with painted on fake silver, which looks like absolute crap to begin with & that is before it rubs off after just a few uses.