The ability to turn it off is the only way I would install it into my phone. It would likely be off 90% of the time.
The only time I miss flash on the phone is for video streaming. But if the video file is too large or consume too much processing it won't play on the phone anyway. I am looking forward to open and more efficient codecs becoming standard for streaming video to mobile devices. Their really is no reason to use flash for that.
I think its pretty clear why some people hate flash. Its the most abused, intrusive, and annoying technology used on the net. That may not be the fault of flash, but that doesn't matter when its annoying you.
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Originally Posted by melgross
It's not a really big deal, but I'd rather have something, than not have it, as long, as I've said, it can be turned off easily. Then, there's no disadvantage. I don't know why people sometimes have a problem with this.
I also don't know why a few people hate it so. There's nothing wrong with Flash per se, it the developers who screw things up. But that's not always the truth, sometimes it's pretty good.
Unfortunately, most programmers aren't as talented as they like to pretend they are. Like most professions, most are just ok at their jobs, and there are as many bad ones as good ones.
Perhaps we should rail against such low standards in the profession instead. After all, we can see these problems in just about any software we have.
this is only going to change if adobe starts taking osx just a little more serious than they have in the last few years. they clearly don't care about the mac and their shoddy implementation of flash is ample proof.
it seems with adobe's desire to get flash on the iphone, apple has some bargaining power. in order for flash to run, it needs to run efficient. since the iphone runs osx, fix flash for the mac and you're on your way to getting it on the iphone.
i'm not holding my breath, but i don't miss flash either...
i've used the lack of real flash on mobile devices as a perfect argument to have a handful of my clients drop flash from their websites already. keep on dragging your heels adobe!
I am guessing that Apple prefers websites not having a separate flash component as it has shown with its few web ads recently 'I'm a PC, I'm a Mac where PC is trying to light up signs about Vista' that you can have entertaining ads/ insertions into websites without using Flash. In the late 90's any moving graphics or images flashing was considered to be a no-no in webpage design as it was deemed to be distracting and invasive which it still is. The worst Flash culprits today are the ads that when you load the page, the ad zooms to almost entirely cover the page until you click the close button (which could launch something sinister on the wrong types of sites) or wait out the 5-10 seconds for the ad to finish. However the only way to keep Microsoft's silverlight at bay and send it to an early grave the way the whole 'MS Live' thing is heading, is for Apple and Adobe to come up with a usable standard.
Prior to installing, I had around 100 open windows/tabs, and the CPU load was 123% (out of 200 on a dual-core iMac). I closed Safari, installed clicktoflash, and reopened the same windows. With Flash turned off: 16%.
Unless Adobe fixes this serious performance problem I'd just as soon see Flash go the way of Stuffit files.
I reckon this is SJ's attempt to clip Adobe's web-media success and help promote open media standards especially with video, these guys haven't seen eye-to-eye in a while.
Just so long as there's an option to turn it off. I've found not having flash is a blessing - it's the best ad-blocker I've found & why use stacks of my data allowance on ads?
However the only way to keep Microsoft's silverlight at bay and send it to an early grave the way the whole 'MS Live' thing is heading, is for Apple and Adobe to come up with a usable standard.
Doesn't Seadragon, one of Microsoft's Apps in the App store make use of Silverlight?
I agree that Flash is a pain, but having a real option to view it will certainly end a weekly point of frustration for me when I'm trying to watch a non-youtube video or view a flash site. I can't wait!
I should also hope that I don't have to buy a new iPhone to get this feature.
Maybe Adobe & Apple can have this ready in time for these rumors I'm hearing lately about a hardware revision for the next iPhone - which then makes me wonder about compatibility with 1st gen phones...
The ability to turn it off is the only way I would install it into my phone. It would likely be off 90% of the time.
The only time I miss flash on the phone is for video streaming. But if the video file is too large or consume too much processing it won't play on the phone anyway. I am looking forward to open and more efficient codecs becoming standard for streaming video to mobile devices. Their really is no reason to use flash for that.
I think its pretty clear why some people hate flash. Its the most abused, intrusive, and annoying technology used on the net. That may not be the fault of flash, but that doesn't matter when its annoying you.
There's nothing annoying about the technology. It's the use some put to it that's annoying.
Cell phones are also an annoying technology, and should be stopped, by that reasoning. I find people talking on the phone very annoying when they do it on line, in a doctors office, in the train. I find the stupid ringtones so many people use annoying, as loud as possible, of course. I find other things about them annoying. Most people would agree with me on this.
this is only going to change if adobe starts taking osx just a little more serious than they have in the last few years. they clearly don't care about the mac and their shoddy implementation of flash is ample proof.
it seems with adobe's desire to get flash on the iphone, apple has some bargaining power. in order for flash to run, it needs to run efficient. since the iphone runs osx, fix flash for the mac and you're on your way to getting it on the iphone.
i'm not holding my breath, but i don't miss flash either...
i've used the lack of real flash on mobile devices as a perfect argument to have a handful of my clients drop flash from their websites already. keep on dragging your heels adobe!
Flash isn't just a hog on OS X. It's equally garbage on Linux. The system resources and CPU percentage it sucks out of a system are ludicrous.
I reckon this is SJ's attempt to clip Adobe's web-media success and help promote open media standards especially with video, these guys haven't seen eye-to-eye in a while.
Just so long as there's an option to turn it off. I've found not having flash is a blessing - it's the best ad-blocker I've found & why use stacks of my data allowance on ads?
Flash by all means but off-switch please.
McD
I don't think Jobs is trying to do that, and it would be stupid.
If Adobe's Flash fails because of this, which is almost impossible, then MS's Silverlight will take over.
How many people would want to see that happen? Raise your hands.
Hmmm! I didn't think so.
No matter how many people hate Adobe, it would be better if they succeed than MS. We know what their vision is.
Wait, am I reading this correctly? You think it's good that Flash runs poorly for people who use Linux just because you don't use Linux yourself?
I don't really care about Linux. I don't particularly like Torvolds, and as a user of another system, I'd like to see that system do better.
What's so strange about that?
Now, if you use more than one system, you may feel better. but, I'm also an Apple stockholder, and the truth is, Linux is more of a competitor for Apple than is MS.
This isn't the automobile highway you know. One computer platform pushes the others out. I'd rather it be OS X doing the pushing.
Are we supposed to pretend to be ecumenical here? This is an Apple product website.
Whatever they do, I hope it can be disabled, and I hope it can be toggled at user option when viewing websites. Flash is not very important to me at all. Heck, 90% of its activity on my computer is to deliver advertising to me...
It seems unlikely to me that Flash could ever be optimised enough to work on the current iPhone, the processor would choke on it. From what I've heard, any Flash plug-in would have to be at least one, and possibly two orders of magnitude faster to work at all.
Flash could possibly work on the 2.0 iPhone when it comes out, but it seems to me that it's much more likely that developments like Quicktime X, possibly working in a similar way as "click to Flash" does will have to suffice for current iPhone owners. Also, the way Flash Lite works (which is the solution other phones use), kind of requires multi-tasking which the current iPhone is unlikely ever to do very well.
How about Adobe and Apple work together on Flash for OS X that doesn't suck arse, first? Then work their way up from there?
When surfing the web with Safari I can always tell I've hit a flash-based website because the fans on my blackbook that are normally otherwise silent ramp up like the space shuttle taking off. Thankfully I have Flashblock and FF3 for everyday web use.
The lack of flash isn't really high up in my 'list of problems'. To me he biggest problem with the iPhone is the lack of snycing. To dos? Push gmail? How come when I update an app on my iPhone it doesn't reflect that change on my computer!? How come I can't stream music to the nearest airport express?! How come when I add a bookmark to my iPhone safari it doesn't change my laptop's safari?! They can do so much stuff over the air that they aren't doing. I agree that media should be done over the wire, but how bout the other stuff?!
P.s. Apple can/should also do moe with the multitouch. Like multitouch swipe to change safari tabs! Or a two finger tap on the notifictations bar to turn wifi on/off.
My Bookmarks sync over the air, it is an option listed in the settings.
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The only time I miss flash on the phone is for video streaming. But if the video file is too large or consume too much processing it won't play on the phone anyway. I am looking forward to open and more efficient codecs becoming standard for streaming video to mobile devices. Their really is no reason to use flash for that.
I think its pretty clear why some people hate flash. Its the most abused, intrusive, and annoying technology used on the net. That may not be the fault of flash, but that doesn't matter when its annoying you.
It's not a really big deal, but I'd rather have something, than not have it, as long, as I've said, it can be turned off easily. Then, there's no disadvantage. I don't know why people sometimes have a problem with this.
I also don't know why a few people hate it so. There's nothing wrong with Flash per se, it the developers who screw things up. But that's not always the truth, sometimes it's pretty good.
Unfortunately, most programmers aren't as talented as they like to pretend they are. Like most professions, most are just ok at their jobs, and there are as many bad ones as good ones.
Perhaps we should rail against such low standards in the profession instead. After all, we can see these problems in just about any software we have.
this is only going to change if adobe starts taking osx just a little more serious than they have in the last few years. they clearly don't care about the mac and their shoddy implementation of flash is ample proof.
it seems with adobe's desire to get flash on the iphone, apple has some bargaining power. in order for flash to run, it needs to run efficient. since the iphone runs osx, fix flash for the mac and you're on your way to getting it on the iphone.
i'm not holding my breath, but i don't miss flash either...
i've used the lack of real flash on mobile devices as a perfect argument to have a handful of my clients drop flash from their websites already. keep on dragging your heels adobe!
I am guessing that Apple prefers websites not having a separate flash component as it has shown with its few web ads recently 'I'm a PC, I'm a Mac where PC is trying to light up signs about Vista' that you can have entertaining ads/ insertions into websites without using Flash. In the late 90's any moving graphics or images flashing was considered to be a no-no in webpage design as it was deemed to be distracting and invasive which it still is. The worst Flash culprits today are the ads that when you load the page, the ad zooms to almost entirely cover the page until you click the close button (which could launch something sinister on the wrong types of sites) or wait out the 5-10 seconds for the ad to finish. However the only way to keep Microsoft's silverlight at bay and send it to an early grave the way the whole 'MS Live' thing is heading, is for Apple and Adobe to come up with a usable standard.
I just installed clicktoflash yesterday:
http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master
Prior to installing, I had around 100 open windows/tabs, and the CPU load was 123% (out of 200 on a dual-core iMac). I closed Safari, installed clicktoflash, and reopened the same windows. With Flash turned off: 16%.
Unless Adobe fixes this serious performance problem I'd just as soon see Flash go the way of Stuffit files.
Just what I needed... Thanks.
Just so long as there's an option to turn it off. I've found not having flash is a blessing - it's the best ad-blocker I've found & why use stacks of my data allowance on ads?
Flash by all means but off-switch please.
McD
However the only way to keep Microsoft's silverlight at bay and send it to an early grave the way the whole 'MS Live' thing is heading, is for Apple and Adobe to come up with a usable standard.
Doesn't Seadragon, one of Microsoft's Apps in the App store make use of Silverlight?
im on a flash website and CPU is about 120 %
i hope in snow leopard we see adobe taping into Open CL
Why? So that it can max out your GPU as well as your CPU and drain the battery twice as fast?
Flash doesn't need to tap into the GPU. It just needs to be competently optimised.
I should also hope that I don't have to buy a new iPhone to get this feature.
Maybe flash will be a big feature for the 3rd iPhone with it's faster software. Would be nice to see it on the current Gen model too
There's no reason why it can't come out for the current generation of iPhones. Silverlight might be another tech we'll be needing soon too.
Don't know if we'll ever see Java on the iPhone though - poor Sun.
The ability to turn it off is the only way I would install it into my phone. It would likely be off 90% of the time.
The only time I miss flash on the phone is for video streaming. But if the video file is too large or consume too much processing it won't play on the phone anyway. I am looking forward to open and more efficient codecs becoming standard for streaming video to mobile devices. Their really is no reason to use flash for that.
I think its pretty clear why some people hate flash. Its the most abused, intrusive, and annoying technology used on the net. That may not be the fault of flash, but that doesn't matter when its annoying you.
There's nothing annoying about the technology. It's the use some put to it that's annoying.
Cell phones are also an annoying technology, and should be stopped, by that reasoning. I find people talking on the phone very annoying when they do it on line, in a doctors office, in the train. I find the stupid ringtones so many people use annoying, as loud as possible, of course. I find other things about them annoying. Most people would agree with me on this.
Therefor, they should be stopped, right?
this is only going to change if adobe starts taking osx just a little more serious than they have in the last few years. they clearly don't care about the mac and their shoddy implementation of flash is ample proof.
it seems with adobe's desire to get flash on the iphone, apple has some bargaining power. in order for flash to run, it needs to run efficient. since the iphone runs osx, fix flash for the mac and you're on your way to getting it on the iphone.
i'm not holding my breath, but i don't miss flash either...
i've used the lack of real flash on mobile devices as a perfect argument to have a handful of my clients drop flash from their websites already. keep on dragging your heels adobe!
Flash isn't just a hog on OS X. It's equally garbage on Linux. The system resources and CPU percentage it sucks out of a system are ludicrous.
I reckon this is SJ's attempt to clip Adobe's web-media success and help promote open media standards especially with video, these guys haven't seen eye-to-eye in a while.
Just so long as there's an option to turn it off. I've found not having flash is a blessing - it's the best ad-blocker I've found & why use stacks of my data allowance on ads?
Flash by all means but off-switch please.
McD
I don't think Jobs is trying to do that, and it would be stupid.
If Adobe's Flash fails because of this, which is almost impossible, then MS's Silverlight will take over.
How many people would want to see that happen? Raise your hands.
Hmmm! I didn't think so.
No matter how many people hate Adobe, it would be better if they succeed than MS. We know what their vision is.
Flash isn't just a hog on OS X. It's equally garbage on Linux. The system resources and CPU percentage it sucks out of a system are ludicrous.
Good. I don't really care about Linux.
Flash isn't just a hog on OS X. It's equally garbage on Linux. The system resources and CPU percentage it sucks out of a system are ludicrous.
Good. I don't really care about Linux.
Wait, am I reading this correctly? You think it's good that Flash runs poorly for people who use Linux just because you don't use Linux yourself?
Wait, am I reading this correctly? You think it's good that Flash runs poorly for people who use Linux just because you don't use Linux yourself?
I don't really care about Linux. I don't particularly like Torvolds, and as a user of another system, I'd like to see that system do better.
What's so strange about that?
Now, if you use more than one system, you may feel better. but, I'm also an Apple stockholder, and the truth is, Linux is more of a competitor for Apple than is MS.
This isn't the automobile highway you know. One computer platform pushes the others out. I'd rather it be OS X doing the pushing.
Are we supposed to pretend to be ecumenical here? This is an Apple product website.
Flash could possibly work on the 2.0 iPhone when it comes out, but it seems to me that it's much more likely that developments like Quicktime X, possibly working in a similar way as "click to Flash" does will have to suffice for current iPhone owners. Also, the way Flash Lite works (which is the solution other phones use), kind of requires multi-tasking which the current iPhone is unlikely ever to do very well.
When surfing the web with Safari I can always tell I've hit a flash-based website because the fans on my blackbook that are normally otherwise silent ramp up like the space shuttle taking off.
The lack of flash isn't really high up in my 'list of problems'. To me he biggest problem with the iPhone is the lack of snycing. To dos? Push gmail? How come when I update an app on my iPhone it doesn't reflect that change on my computer!? How come I can't stream music to the nearest airport express?! How come when I add a bookmark to my iPhone safari it doesn't change my laptop's safari?! They can do so much stuff over the air that they aren't doing. I agree that media should be done over the wire, but how bout the other stuff?!
P.s. Apple can/should also do moe with the multitouch. Like multitouch swipe to change safari tabs! Or a two finger tap on the notifictations bar to turn wifi on/off.
My Bookmarks sync over the air, it is an option listed in the settings.