The surfing in Jaguar is waaay faster than OS 9.2.2 ! You should see that to believe! As i said before my IE opens in less than 1 sec, and the rendering is way faster. I guess the graphis sacrd helps too. I believe that the final version is gonna be even faster! Web surfing is FAAAST !!!!!
OmniWeb is nowhere near as fast as Internet Explorer. As for web browsing speed, it's largely irrelevant whether you're using Jaguar or 10.1.5. I doubt Chimera will feel measurably faster in Jaguar...
<strong>The surfing in Jaguar is waaay faster than OS 9.2.2 ! You should see that to believe! As i said before my IE opens in less than 1 sec, and the rendering is way faster. I guess the graphis sacrd helps too. I believe that the final version is gonna be even faster! Web surfing is FAAAST !!!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, one of the biggest boosts to browsing speed in Jaguar is due to a change in the window scrolling engine. Under 10.1.x and lower, scrolling a window forced quartz to update the entire window and scroll bar. Under Jaguar, only the new portion of the window is updated (so if you scroll down, only the bottom portion of the window is updated) along with the changed portion of the scroll bar (as opposed to the whole thing).
This, coupled with general Quartz optimizations and Quartz Extreme, make for a much better experience overall.
Oh, and you'll see an even bigger boost once apps are compiled with gcc 3 under Project Builder 2.
Browsing on Macs always seem sluggish compared with windows and that inclused OS9. I don't know why that is but it is. I do hope that Jaguar closes the gap.
Has anyone tried VPC under Jag? I didn't want to start a new thread, but I am interested to know if there is a speed improvement.
Well, part of that is due to MS placing the core IE browser code in the kernel of the OS.
That's right, tots and toddlers, they placed the browsing code directly in the core of the OS, where it can do the most damage. But, it gives them a nice advantage over other browsers when it comes to grabbing system resources (like CPU time), which after all, is all that matters, right?
<strong>Well, part of that is due to MS placing the core IE browser code in the kernel of the OS.
That's right, tots and toddlers, they placed the browsing code directly in the core of the OS, where it can do the most damage. But, it gives them a nice advantage over other browsers when it comes to grabbing system resources (like CPU time), which after all, is all that matters, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's right.
Three cheers for robust multitasking!
Actually, Word does the same thing. It's funny to see everything else on my machine at work grind to a halt so that Word can search a document really, really quickly. This is on Windows NT, and also Windows 2000 (whose multithreading support is woefully inefficient, BTW).
Just couple that low-level browser commingling with the fact that Windows XP offers userland applications full access to the low-level (IP) networking layer and you have security heaven. Then, add Outlook and Office. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Well, I'm going to have to disagree with most of the posts above and say that Omniweb is significantly "snappier" than IE, at least on my machine. Cached pages load instantly, and new pages are loaded and rendered quickly. IIRC, OW is optimized for multiple processors, so that might be a factor in the speed that I'm seeing.
Funny. I find that Internet Explorer crashes more than any other OS X browser. A lot of unexpected quits, like every time I go to the front page of VersionTracker. And, the new Carbon font smoothing acts funny at certain point sizes, adding extra spaces and even causing letters to move around when you select text. But, it seems to have the fewest compatibility issues with sites, displaying things as intended more often than any other browser. Also, it's fast.
With Mozilla, the interface is ugly, clunky, and it's slow to launch. I'll have to try some of the skins mentioned above, because I haven't found an acceptable one yet. The new Carbon font smoothing (in 1.1 beta) has the same problems as IE. Aside from the smoothing, most sites render correctly, and page rendering is very fast. I can't for the life of me, however, figure out how to tell it that I don't want to use Mozilla Mail when I click a "mailto" link.
OmniWeb, as stated by many people above, has the best interface and renders the prettiest pages of any browser I've seen on any platform. Cocoa font smoothing works perfectly. It's reasonably fast to launch (not as fast as IE), but page rendering is not up to par with Mozilla or IE. The StarTribune.com site is a perfect example of the trouble this browser can have with some tables.
I think Chimera is the browser of the future. It's smallish, a bit quicker to launch than Mozilla, and renders pages fast (due to Gecko) and beautifully (due to its Cocoa front end). With version 0.4, they finally fixed the dowload hooks so now you can just click a link to download a file. When this thing hits 1.0, I can almost assure you that it will be my full-time browser.
Oh yeah, and OS X browsing is much faster than OS 9. And downloading is orders of magnitude faster. So, OS X rules.
<strong>Is there some bona fide intelligence as to what Omniweb 5.0 is going to be like? Is speed definitely the priority? (I think when it comes to OW I'd take CSS compliance over speed right now.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think speed will come as a result of a massively improved engine (which will also fix the major complaint of CSS compatibility with OmniWeb).
Currently, Chimera is by far the fastest browser for me. Here's a quote from Dave Hyatt about OW and Chimera for those of you who are interested and haven't already seen it:
[quote]About the only thing Gecko has going for it is correctness and a very large range of implemented standards, but I'd rather see someone try to do it better. A browser on OS X done right should be able to dust Gecko in terms of speed and footprint. It should be able to just smoke Gecko in startup time and page load time. The fact that this hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it can't be done.... It really isn't that Chimera is fast. It's not. It would be more accurate to say that all OS X browsers are slow and that Chimera just happens to be a little less slow than the others. <hr></blockquote>
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<strong>The surfing in Jaguar is waaay faster than OS 9.2.2 ! You should see that to believe! As i said before my IE opens in less than 1 sec, and the rendering is way faster. I guess the graphis sacrd helps too. I believe that the final version is gonna be even faster! Web surfing is FAAAST !!!!!
Actually, one of the biggest boosts to browsing speed in Jaguar is due to a change in the window scrolling engine. Under 10.1.x and lower, scrolling a window forced quartz to update the entire window and scroll bar. Under Jaguar, only the new portion of the window is updated (so if you scroll down, only the bottom portion of the window is updated) along with the changed portion of the scroll bar (as opposed to the whole thing).
This, coupled with general Quartz optimizations and Quartz Extreme, make for a much better experience overall.
Oh, and you'll see an even bigger boost once apps are compiled with gcc 3 under Project Builder 2.
Has anyone tried VPC under Jag? I didn't want to start a new thread, but I am interested to know if there is a speed improvement.
That's right, tots and toddlers, they placed the browsing code directly in the core of the OS, where it can do the most damage. But, it gives them a nice advantage over other browsers when it comes to grabbing system resources (like CPU time), which after all, is all that matters, right?
<strong>Well, part of that is due to MS placing the core IE browser code in the kernel of the OS.
That's right, tots and toddlers, they placed the browsing code directly in the core of the OS, where it can do the most damage. But, it gives them a nice advantage over other browsers when it comes to grabbing system resources (like CPU time), which after all, is all that matters, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's right.
Three cheers for robust multitasking!
Actually, Word does the same thing. It's funny to see everything else on my machine at work grind to a halt so that Word can search a document really, really quickly. This is on Windows NT, and also Windows 2000 (whose multithreading support is woefully inefficient, BTW).
Just couple that low-level browser commingling with the fact that Windows XP offers userland applications full access to the low-level (IP) networking layer and you have security heaven. Then, add Outlook and Office. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
With Mozilla, the interface is ugly, clunky, and it's slow to launch. I'll have to try some of the skins mentioned above, because I haven't found an acceptable one yet. The new Carbon font smoothing (in 1.1 beta) has the same problems as IE. Aside from the smoothing, most sites render correctly, and page rendering is very fast. I can't for the life of me, however, figure out how to tell it that I don't want to use Mozilla Mail when I click a "mailto" link.
OmniWeb, as stated by many people above, has the best interface and renders the prettiest pages of any browser I've seen on any platform. Cocoa font smoothing works perfectly. It's reasonably fast to launch (not as fast as IE), but page rendering is not up to par with Mozilla or IE. The StarTribune.com site is a perfect example of the trouble this browser can have with some tables.
I think Chimera is the browser of the future. It's smallish, a bit quicker to launch than Mozilla, and renders pages fast (due to Gecko) and beautifully (due to its Cocoa front end). With version 0.4, they finally fixed the dowload hooks so now you can just click a link to download a file. When this thing hits 1.0, I can almost assure you that it will be my full-time browser.
Oh yeah, and OS X browsing is much faster than OS 9. And downloading is orders of magnitude faster. So, OS X rules.
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<strong>Is there some bona fide intelligence as to what Omniweb 5.0 is going to be like? Is speed definitely the priority? (I think when it comes to OW I'd take CSS compliance over speed right now.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think speed will come as a result of a massively improved engine (which will also fix the major complaint of CSS compatibility with OmniWeb).
Currently, Chimera is by far the fastest browser for me. Here's a quote from Dave Hyatt about OW and Chimera for those of you who are interested and haven't already seen it:
[quote]About the only thing Gecko has going for it is correctness and a very large range of implemented standards, but I'd rather see someone try to do it better. A browser on OS X done right should be able to dust Gecko in terms of speed and footprint. It should be able to just smoke Gecko in startup time and page load time. The fact that this hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it can't be done.... It really isn't that Chimera is fast. It's not. It would be more accurate to say that all OS X browsers are slow and that Chimera just happens to be a little less slow than the others. <hr></blockquote>