The correct procedure for Apple products is to immediately fall in love with them and immediately go ahead with a purchase.
After you use the product you then find stuff you don't like about it and complain.
Didn't you get the memo?
And the follow-up memo:
"If you dislike Apple (or Steve Jobs or any Apple product) or have never purchased any of its products or services, please take the time to vent in every forum as you would not with every other product/service that you equally dislike or have never purchased."
PS: As a shareholder, gotta love how Apple is pulling the rug from under the feet of its cell-phone competition once again. Reminds me of how competitors to the iPod were often left eating dust......
how many of the 25,000 or so of the applications in the store now are web apps?
When you build a web app and then wrap and integrate it using the developer SDK, it is virtually indistinguishable from any other application. It is very very easy to do so, I might add. I think Apple did a fantabulous job with their SDK and the way the integrated web so well into it. they deserve a lot of praise for it - it is remarkable.
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. It's a bit like buying a Lexus with manual windows. Yes, it's just an annoyance... but why would the manufacturer bring the car to market with such an obvious shortcoming, and then persist in it for multiple versions and product upgrades? It just makes no sense.
Contrary to belief here most users don't go out buying phones looking for copy and paste function. I've shown my iPhone to many people and it's too advanced for them, they don't expect copy and paste from phones like many here believe. The only big omissions Apple left to me would be video recording and MMS, these are things the majority of people expect from phones now. Everything else is extra.
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. ...
How is it baffling?
The iPhone has no document editing (other than short sticky notes) and no file system. You might argue that you'd *like* to have document editing or that you'd *like* to have copy and paste, but the absence of even a basic file system completely explains the absence of the copy and paste.
That little LED clock in your pen in 1982 is a "computer" but did it need copy and paste?
Your car has several computers in it, does it need copy and paste?
People need to get past the simplistic idea that all computers are just hardware that runs software, that any software they like should be load-able on any "computer" they see and that all "computers" are the same.
The very word "computer" hardly has any meaning anymore as it's become too generic. Saying every computer needs copy and paste is like saying every bread needs raisins. If I order a felafel and it has raisins in the wrap, I would not consider it a successful felafel.
Again, why ignore something so trivial (from a technology perspective) if it might serve to enhance sales?
Why not. It adds to the elan of the product to leave a handful of people constantly whining about stuff like that in forums like this...... the susbtitution in sales enhancement comes from all the free attention the product gets that way!
Adobe has said to be working on a flash for mobile devices. Adobe has reported it to be a difficult task. I doubt Apple is too worried about it. Apple, Google, Palm and others are progressing on with open source web technology that can replace many of flash functions.
I believe there are IM clients in the app store that use SMS and landscape keyboard.
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I read somewhere before that Adobe was working with Apple to bring Flash to the phone, that would be extremely helpful to browse the "real" internet. Another function that would be nice: landscape SMS. If I can use the landscape keyboard in the browser, it is frustrating to know I can't on SMS.
May I just say that this is a silly attitude? Here is a blunt point: Apple has no right, and would be unwise in doing so... to expect the majority of its consumers to be rabid fan-boys willing to overlook obvious problems because they are so enamored with Steve Jobs' brilliance. That's a point Steve himself seems to get, so it is amazing to me that fans such as yourself do not.
What you are really saying is this: Apple did the right thing when it left out basic features, then ignored consumer sentiment... for those same features. When you say 'the device isn't for everyone', what you are actually saying is this: "Apple ignored an easily addressed market segment, and thereby lost sales." And all over some software issues that don't even represent difficult technical challenges.
Doesn't seem quite so clever now, eh?
I know who's being silly and it isn't the Bergermeister.
His post was reasonable and accurate, whereas yours mischaracterises what he said, puts words in his mouth and generally is pretty high-school kind of analysis IMO.
Apple makes consumer products, they don't "ignore consumer sentiment" at all, you are just wrong about that. They make choices about what to include or leave out of a product based on consumer feedback but also on a variety of other issues as well. That's just the way design is done.
You are the one who is just assuming that because they left out your favourite feature, that it was somehow done on purpose and in defiance of what the consumer really wants. I'd like to see you come up with any evidence to prove that assertion. The mere absence of the feature does not prove your interpretation of why it is absent you know.
You can find people who find all types of fault with the iPhone and why they won't purchase one. I seriously doubt MMS in of itself is costing Apple any significant number of sales.
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Anecdotally I know of a handful of friends who haven't purchased iPhones citing some of these obvious misses as factors.
Again, why ignore something so trivial (from a technology perspective) if it might serve to enhance sales?
just like to point out that everything you are saying here is basically just made up. Try to stick to the facts and drop the hyperbole.
Really. You saw the iphone's grand debut in 2007. You tell me what was the reaction of the crowd when Steve Jobs tried to push web apps. The crickets were so loud peoples' ear drums were starting to bleed.
Oh, and hyperbole is fun. Go read Barron's or hang out with Rupert Murdock or something if you don't like spirited commentary.
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. It's a bit like buying a Lexus with manual windows. Yes, it's just an annoyance... but why would the manufacturer bring the car to market with such an obvious shortcoming, and then persist in it for multiple versions and product upgrades? It just makes no sense.
And have you implemented a system-wide clipboard on a multi-touch mobile device? Has ANYONE else done this yet? Nope. It's not as "easy" as everyone seems to think. It has to be implemented in way that doesn't interfere with any current gestures and it needs to work the same way everywhere, in all applications, whether you're trying to select text in Safari or in an input field.
There are also security issues to overcome with having a cross-application pool of data, especially when those applications are sandboxed.
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No no no Tenobell don't you understand?
The correct procedure for Apple products is to immediately fall in love with them and immediately go ahead with a purchase.
After you use the product you then find stuff you don't like about it and complain.
Didn't you get the memo?
And the follow-up memo:
"If you dislike Apple (or Steve Jobs or any Apple product) or have never purchased any of its products or services, please take the time to vent in every forum as you would not with every other product/service that you equally dislike or have never purchased."
PS: As a shareholder, gotta love how Apple is pulling the rug from under the feet of its cell-phone competition once again. Reminds me of how competitors to the iPod were often left eating dust......
Special Event on St. Patrick's Day ? Nobody at Murphy Mac will be sober enough to absorb the news until Friday.
Look, it's really very simple: Apple needs to fix this because it will assist them in selling their devices. That's not a hard concept, is it?.
how many of the 25,000 or so of the applications in the store now are web apps?
When you build a web app and then wrap and integrate it using the developer SDK, it is virtually indistinguishable from any other application. It is very very easy to do so, I might add. I think Apple did a fantabulous job with their SDK and the way the integrated web so well into it. they deserve a lot of praise for it - it is remarkable.
- Horizontal keyboard
- Global search
- Bluetooth file transfer
- Flash
Why is Apple limiting the iPhone?
There isn't any clear evidence that MMS is significantly effecting iPhone sales. Or any clear evidence that any phone sells better because of MMS.
Anecdotally I know of a handful of friends who haven't purchased iPhones citing some of these obvious misses as factors.
Again, why ignore something so trivial (from a technology perspective) if it might serve to enhance sales?
But really.....how many of the 25,000 or so of the applications in the store now are web apps?
Good question. I'd like to know too. The ones I use more and more often (e.g., bloomberg, twc, wikipanion) do not seem to be.
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. It's a bit like buying a Lexus with manual windows. Yes, it's just an annoyance... but why would the manufacturer bring the car to market with such an obvious shortcoming, and then persist in it for multiple versions and product upgrades? It just makes no sense.
Contrary to belief here most users don't go out buying phones looking for copy and paste function. I've shown my iPhone to many people and it's too advanced for them, they don't expect copy and paste from phones like many here believe. The only big omissions Apple left to me would be video recording and MMS, these are things the majority of people expect from phones now. Everything else is extra.
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. ...
How is it baffling?
The iPhone has no document editing (other than short sticky notes) and no file system. You might argue that you'd *like* to have document editing or that you'd *like* to have copy and paste, but the absence of even a basic file system completely explains the absence of the copy and paste.
That little LED clock in your pen in 1982 is a "computer" but did it need copy and paste?
Your car has several computers in it, does it need copy and paste?
People need to get past the simplistic idea that all computers are just hardware that runs software, that any software they like should be load-able on any "computer" they see and that all "computers" are the same.
The very word "computer" hardly has any meaning anymore as it's become too generic. Saying every computer needs copy and paste is like saying every bread needs raisins. If I order a felafel and it has raisins in the wrap, I would not consider it a successful felafel.
So we'll know more on Tuesday than we know now, but probably not everything.
Again, why ignore something so trivial (from a technology perspective) if it might serve to enhance sales?
Why not. It adds to the elan of the product to leave a handful of people constantly whining about stuff like that in forums like this...... the susbtitution in sales enhancement comes from all the free attention the product gets that way!
Full native multitasking. Web apps never really took off for the iphone. Iphone Web apps made people want to barf.
just like to point out that everything you are saying here is basically just made up. Try to stick to the facts and drop the hyperbole.
I believe there are IM clients in the app store that use SMS and landscape keyboard.
I read somewhere before that Adobe was working with Apple to bring Flash to the phone, that would be extremely helpful to browse the "real" internet. Another function that would be nice: landscape SMS. If I can use the landscape keyboard in the browser, it is frustrating to know I can't on SMS.
May I just say that this is a silly attitude? Here is a blunt point: Apple has no right, and would be unwise in doing so... to expect the majority of its consumers to be rabid fan-boys willing to overlook obvious problems because they are so enamored with Steve Jobs' brilliance. That's a point Steve himself seems to get, so it is amazing to me that fans such as yourself do not.
What you are really saying is this: Apple did the right thing when it left out basic features, then ignored consumer sentiment... for those same features. When you say 'the device isn't for everyone', what you are actually saying is this: "Apple ignored an easily addressed market segment, and thereby lost sales." And all over some software issues that don't even represent difficult technical challenges.
Doesn't seem quite so clever now, eh?
I know who's being silly and it isn't the Bergermeister.
His post was reasonable and accurate, whereas yours mischaracterises what he said, puts words in his mouth and generally is pretty high-school kind of analysis IMO.
Apple makes consumer products, they don't "ignore consumer sentiment" at all, you are just wrong about that. They make choices about what to include or leave out of a product based on consumer feedback but also on a variety of other issues as well. That's just the way design is done.
You are the one who is just assuming that because they left out your favourite feature, that it was somehow done on purpose and in defiance of what the consumer really wants. I'd like to see you come up with any evidence to prove that assertion. The mere absence of the feature does not prove your interpretation of why it is absent you know.
Anecdotally I know of a handful of friends who haven't purchased iPhones citing some of these obvious misses as factors.
Again, why ignore something so trivial (from a technology perspective) if it might serve to enhance sales?
just like to point out that everything you are saying here is basically just made up. Try to stick to the facts and drop the hyperbole.
Really. You saw the iphone's grand debut in 2007. You tell me what was the reaction of the crowd when Steve Jobs tried to push web apps. The crickets were so loud peoples' ear drums were starting to bleed.
Oh, and hyperbole is fun. Go read Barron's or hang out with Rupert Murdock or something if you don't like spirited commentary.
Copy / Paste
Unified inbox
MMS
Voice Dialing
Power Management Switch (BT/Wifi/GPS/Puse)
Yep,
I would like
- iPod DJ
REMOTE App has DJ - with "request a song" and Voting
It's quite good actually
While I agree that the iPhone is a wonderful device, the absence of a basic feature like copy / paste is baffling. Apple is a big company with significant resources, and should have been able to fix this by now. The absence of copy and paste from any computing device in this day and age is just a really puzzling oversight that Apple needs to correct. It's a bit like buying a Lexus with manual windows. Yes, it's just an annoyance... but why would the manufacturer bring the car to market with such an obvious shortcoming, and then persist in it for multiple versions and product upgrades? It just makes no sense.
And have you implemented a system-wide clipboard on a multi-touch mobile device? Has ANYONE else done this yet? Nope. It's not as "easy" as everyone seems to think. It has to be implemented in way that doesn't interfere with any current gestures and it needs to work the same way everywhere, in all applications, whether you're trying to select text in Safari or in an input field.
There are also security issues to overcome with having a cross-application pool of data, especially when those applications are sandboxed.