It's a shock that 3rd parties aren't rushing to adopt Mini DisplayPort. /sarcasm
Check out the ventilation on that card though! fapfapfap
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Your post is so shockingly stupid I can hardly believe it.
Keep it down please!
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First of all, anyone doing the kind of professional work that would require this card would not be using the doubly glossy piece of garbage that is the 24' LED Display. Enjoy your consumer level hardware.
Second, the card does not require 30" displays. It is DVI-D so it can support two 30", but it can also support any DVI display or adapter.
Did you read my post where I said that ATI already has Displayport pro cards?
This is a standard that will see increased support. But, it's a chicken and the egg sort of thing. The cards are coming, and so are the monitors, you just have to give it some time.
Read the page for today about this, and even MORE interesting news, a bit of which I'll quote (I'm sure Mike won't mind):
Nice, but I have to wonder 'why'? The Mac Pro market is so small. I thought Apple had a huge part in developing the drivers for NVIDIA cards. It could mean that many of their cards will now have EFI/Mac support in their BIOS alongside the standard PC BIOS support.
Or maybe they know something we don't, like an upcoming demand in upgrade cards for a new midrange Mac desktop that is about to be released? nah, can't be that.
I'm tempted to get one of these to drive my two 30" ACD, currently they have to share a single GT8800 to work with FCPro Suite as that won't work across two GT8800s and I hate sharing the 512MB of VRAM. This bad boy would be sweet!
If this beast could be harnessed in generating video with a 20 or more times speedup, then I can see a significant demand, even for the home market. Next version of iDVD?
If this beast could be harnessed in generating video with a 20 or more times speedup, then I can see a significant demand, even for the home market. Next version of iDVD?
That's the first thing I thought of - how a Mac Pro running 10.7 will utilize the power of this beast of a card to leave all the "pro" PCs even further in the dust.
Of course, having it in a consumer computer would be nice, too.
It's a shock that 3rd parties aren't rushing to adopt Mini DisplayPort. /sarcasm
Check out the ventilation on that card though! fapfapfap
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Your post is so shockingly stupid I can hardly believe it.
First of all, anyone doing the kind of professional work that would require this card would not be using the doubly glossy piece of garbage that is the 24' LED Display. Enjoy your consumer level hardware.
Second, the card does not require 30" displays. It is DVI-D so it can support two 30", but it can also support any DVI display or adapter.
Funny you say that because ATI already has a comparable card that has Mini Display port on it along with a dual link DVI port. Also, just because you think the LED Cinema is a POS, doesn't mean everyone else does. In fact its a very nice display that has an amazing picture using a very good IPS panel, hence part of its expense compared to others. I'm so sick of people putting down glossy displays! If you don't like them fine, but don't sit there and bitch about them day in and day out. Some people happen to like them!
My post doesn't deserve a put down either....especially from someone with only 7 posts!
I stand corrected. Seems the Mac version does in fact not come with the dual DisplayPorts. Why on earth would Apple trade a dual DisplayPort configuration for Dual-DVI? Odd.
My point exactly! Display Port is Apple's new display style of connector and this new expensive card comes out and its not supported? I can understanding having 2 DVI ports on it, but unlike its ATI competitor card out for the MacPro it doesn't have the display port on it.
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Originally Posted by albatrossflyer
per the Nvidia website, the card requires 10.5.7
I assume the drivers for this card will be included into the OS update.
Well its about time, but obviously this should be available as a BTO in the store. Selling an expensive ass workstation without even the OPTION of a Pro OpenGL card is pathetic. The 4870 is a good card for those not working in CAD/CAM/3D DCC, but selling the base config models with the "GT 120" is pretty pathetic as well..
Well its about time, but obviously this should be available as a BTO in the store. Selling an expensive ass workstation without even the OPTION of a Pro OpenGL card is pathetic. The 4870 is a good card for those not working in CAD/CAM/3D DCC, but selling the base config models with the "GT 120" is pretty pathetic as well..
It just came out, I'm sure the BTO option will come shortly.
Well, the PC version includes only 1 Dual DVI-I and 2 DisplayPorts but not mini-DisplayPort, plus the requisite stereo interface as well.
The Dual Display Port for the PC: non-UEFI
Dual DisplayPort Digital Display Connectors
Dual DisplayPort connectors support ultra-high-resolution panels (up to 2560 x 1600) --which result in amazing image quality producing detailed photorealistic images. [Non-miniDisplayPort interfaces]
NVIDIA® SLI® Technology
A revolutionary platform innovation that enables professional users to dynamically scale graphics performance, enhance image quality, and expand display real estate.
Single Dual-Link Digital Display Connector
Dual-link TMDS transmitter supports ultra-high-resolution panels (up to 3840 x 2400 @24Hz) --which result in amazing image quality producing detailed photorealistic images.
For the Mac:
Dual Dual-Link Digital Display Connector
One can only assume being able to push 2 30 inch Cinema Displays at OS X's native RI for the 30".
High-Performance Display Outputs
400MHz RAMDACs and up to two dual-link DVI digital connectors drive the highest resolution digital displays available on the market. [VAGUE]
SLI: Non-existent [Apple's issue, not Nvidia due to the Mac Pro not having 2 full PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots]
Run Microsoft Windows with GPU Acceleration
Experience full, native Quadro 3D features and application performance when using Boot Camp to run Windows on a Mac Pro.
They are targeting two different traditional markets.
Let's hope AMD/ATi comes out with the cards to really compel Nvidia to unify their next revs with UEFI all around and miniDisplay [come with a mini-to-full Display adaptors] and Apple implements SLI.
Unless Apple implements SLI, Nvidia isn't going to bend over backwards to bring both the Windows and the Mac interfaces on-par with one another.
What I dont understand is ok yes DVI, what difference???? Display Port on a laptop HELLL YESS!!! Auto sensing jacks make SUCH a difference, got to a site to do a presentation and plug the projector in using the adaptor and everyone gathers round in awe just because you dont need to configure it. WHY WHY WHY dont they get this implemented to everything now, i mean everything, I want it on my microwave its that good!
What I dont understand is ok yes DVI, what difference???? Display Port on a laptop HELLL YESS!!! Auto sensing jacks make SUCH a difference, got to a site to do a presentation and plug the projector in using the adaptor and everyone gathers round in awe just because you dont need to configure it. WHY WHY WHY dont they get this implemented to everything now, i mean everything, I want it on my microwave its that good!
Microsoft and probably Intel. Now that miniDP is added to the standard it's only a matter of time, though legacy systems will have to eventually be end-of-life'd.
Hmm. Kind of disappointing they didn't release the FX 5800 (240 shaders like the GTX 280 and GTX285) since that is really the direct replacement for the previous Mac FX 5600. The FX 4800 (192 shaders like the original GTX 260) is an impressive card, but it still means the Mac Pro is dropping a speed class in it's Quadro GPU option. This is kind of like the 512MB HD4870, which is a mid-range GPU, and not a higher-end performance class GPU like the 8800GT was when it was released. I'm still holding out that Apple will release a true consumer high-end GPU for the Mac Pro like a 1GB HD4890, GTX 275 or GTX 285, all safe single GPU options so Apple doesn't have to go to the bother of supporting SLI or Crossfire.
Lack of two full PCI Express 2.0 x16? I thought that was already standard in the 2008 Mac Pro.
This is a good step forwards, but as already mentioned, it would have been even better if Nvidia had released an FX5800 mac edition as well. If Nvidia can release a dual platform ready GPU, how hard is it to make available firmware to some of the current GPUs so they can also be used in OS X, not just in Windows? I just put an EVGA GTX 295 in my MP, it's awesome and all, but if I want to run OS X I have to swap it for my old 8800GT.
Lack of two full PCI Express 2.0 x16? I thought that was already standard in the 2008 Mac Pro.
This is a good step forwards, but as already mentioned, it would have been even better if Nvidia had released an FX5800 mac edition as well. If Nvidia can release a dual platform ready GPU, how hard is it to make available firmware to some of the current GPUs so they can also be used in OS X, not just in Windows? I just put an EVGA GTX 295 in my MP, it's awesome and all, but if I want to run OS X I have to swap it for my old 8800GT.
Might actually be interesting to see if your GTX 295 will be functional in OS X once 10.5.7 is released with the drivers for the FX 4800. The GPU cores are from the same family so the GTX 295 might actually work, if only in single GPU mode.
I too am surprised that Nvidia is releasing the 4800 but not the 5800. Perhaps there is some business sense behind it, or perhaps the comment that more is to come is an indication that they're working on it.
But still. $1800? That's an Apple tax of $230 over the PC equivalent part over at Newegg.
And no way was the 8800GT a "high-end" card. The 8800GT was to the 8800GTX what the Radeon HD 4870 512MB is to a factory overclocked 4870 1GB, or better yet, the new 4890. If I can fault Apple on anything, it's graphics options and prices.
I too am surprised that Nvidia is releasing the 4800 but not the 5800. Perhaps there is some business sense behind it, or perhaps the comment that more is to come is an indication that they're working on it.
But still. $1800? That's an Apple tax of $230 over the PC equivalent part over at Newegg.
And no way was the 8800GT a "high-end" card. The 8800GT was to the 8800GTX what the Radeon HD 4870 512MB is to a factory overclocked 4870 1GB, or better yet, the new 4890. If I can fault Apple on anything, it's graphics options and prices.
AMD dropped the MSRP of the 512MB HD4870 to $149 before Apple released the new Mac Pro making the 512MB HD4870 a decidedly mid-range GPU on release. The 1GB HD4870 was $199 and the HD4890 wasn't released yet. In comparison, I'm pretty sure that when Apple first introduced the 8800GT, the PC version was still retailing above $200 making it a performance class card. At the very least, it would have been nice for Apple to have used the 1GB version of the HD4870, especially when the extra video memory is useful for OpenCL, seeing as how nVidia's dedicated TESLA GPGPUs have at least 1.5GB up to 6GB of video memory on a single card.
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It's a shock that 3rd parties aren't rushing to adopt Mini DisplayPort. /sarcasm
Check out the ventilation on that card though! fapfapfap
edit:
Your post is so shockingly stupid I can hardly believe it.
Keep it down please!
First of all, anyone doing the kind of professional work that would require this card would not be using the doubly glossy piece of garbage that is the 24' LED Display. Enjoy your consumer level hardware.
Second, the card does not require 30" displays. It is DVI-D so it can support two 30", but it can also support any DVI display or adapter.
Did you read my post where I said that ATI already has Displayport pro cards?
This is a standard that will see increased support. But, it's a chicken and the egg sort of thing. The cards are coming, and so are the monitors, you just have to give it some time.
This isn't an Apple board. I'm assuming you're talking about this board.
Mel, forgive me, but I totally didn't understand your reply
Of course. That's the Displayport spec. But just like the bus for a HDD, the drive may not saturate the bus. The same thing here.
And, more possible news from http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/
Read the page for today about this, and even MORE interesting news, a bit of which I'll quote (I'm sure Mike won't mind):
Nice, but I have to wonder 'why'? The Mac Pro market is so small. I thought Apple had a huge part in developing the drivers for NVIDIA cards. It could mean that many of their cards will now have EFI/Mac support in their BIOS alongside the standard PC BIOS support.
Or maybe they know something we don't, like an upcoming demand in upgrade cards for a new midrange Mac desktop that is about to be released? nah, can't be that.
If this beast could be harnessed in generating video with a 20 or more times speedup, then I can see a significant demand, even for the home market. Next version of iDVD?
That's the first thing I thought of - how a Mac Pro running 10.7 will utilize the power of this beast of a card to leave all the "pro" PCs even further in the dust.
Of course, having it in a consumer computer would be nice, too.
It's a shock that 3rd parties aren't rushing to adopt Mini DisplayPort. /sarcasm
Check out the ventilation on that card though! fapfapfap
edit:
Your post is so shockingly stupid I can hardly believe it.
First of all, anyone doing the kind of professional work that would require this card would not be using the doubly glossy piece of garbage that is the 24' LED Display. Enjoy your consumer level hardware.
Second, the card does not require 30" displays. It is DVI-D so it can support two 30", but it can also support any DVI display or adapter.
Funny you say that because ATI already has a comparable card that has Mini Display port on it along with a dual link DVI port. Also, just because you think the LED Cinema is a POS, doesn't mean everyone else does. In fact its a very nice display that has an amazing picture using a very good IPS panel, hence part of its expense compared to others. I'm so sick of people putting down glossy displays! If you don't like them fine, but don't sit there and bitch about them day in and day out. Some people happen to like them!
My post doesn't deserve a put down either....especially from someone with only 7 posts!
I stand corrected. Seems the Mac version does in fact not come with the dual DisplayPorts. Why on earth would Apple trade a dual DisplayPort configuration for Dual-DVI? Odd.
My point exactly! Display Port is Apple's new display style of connector and this new expensive card comes out and its not supported? I can understanding having 2 DVI ports on it, but unlike its ATI competitor card out for the MacPro it doesn't have the display port on it.
per the Nvidia website, the card requires 10.5.7
I assume the drivers for this card will be included into the OS update.
Well its about time, but obviously this should be available as a BTO in the store. Selling an expensive ass workstation without even the OPTION of a Pro OpenGL card is pathetic. The 4870 is a good card for those not working in CAD/CAM/3D DCC, but selling the base config models with the "GT 120" is pretty pathetic as well..
It just came out, I'm sure the BTO option will come shortly.
I think this one was NVIDIA's call, not Apple's. (Not to be snarky, but... NVIDIA is making these things, after all.)
I thought Nvidia's whole deal was that they made the GPU. Period. Then, someone else would make the video card.
Have I not been misinformed?
The Dual Display Port for the PC: non-UEFI
Dual DisplayPort Digital Display Connectors
Dual DisplayPort connectors support ultra-high-resolution panels (up to 2560 x 1600) --which result in amazing image quality producing detailed photorealistic images. [Non-miniDisplayPort interfaces]
NVIDIA® SLI® Technology
A revolutionary platform innovation that enables professional users to dynamically scale graphics performance, enhance image quality, and expand display real estate.
Single Dual-Link Digital Display Connector
Dual-link TMDS transmitter supports ultra-high-resolution panels (up to 3840 x 2400 @24Hz) --which result in amazing image quality producing detailed photorealistic images.
For the Mac:
Dual Dual-Link Digital Display Connector
One can only assume being able to push 2 30 inch Cinema Displays at OS X's native RI for the 30".
High-Performance Display Outputs
400MHz RAMDACs and up to two dual-link DVI digital connectors drive the highest resolution digital displays available on the market. [VAGUE]
SLI: Non-existent [Apple's issue, not Nvidia due to the Mac Pro not having 2 full PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots]
Run Microsoft Windows with GPU Acceleration
Experience full, native Quadro 3D features and application performance when using Boot Camp to run Windows on a Mac Pro.
They are targeting two different traditional markets.
Let's hope AMD/ATi comes out with the cards to really compel Nvidia to unify their next revs with UEFI all around and miniDisplay [come with a mini-to-full Display adaptors] and Apple implements SLI.
Unless Apple implements SLI, Nvidia isn't going to bend over backwards to bring both the Windows and the Mac interfaces on-par with one another.
What I dont understand is ok yes DVI, what difference???? Display Port on a laptop HELLL YESS!!! Auto sensing jacks make SUCH a difference, got to a site to do a presentation and plug the projector in using the adaptor and everyone gathers round in awe just because you dont need to configure it. WHY WHY WHY dont they get this implemented to everything now, i mean everything, I want it on my microwave its that good!
Microsoft and probably Intel. Now that miniDP is added to the standard it's only a matter of time, though legacy systems will have to eventually be end-of-life'd.
This is a good step forwards, but as already mentioned, it would have been even better if Nvidia had released an FX5800 mac edition as well. If Nvidia can release a dual platform ready GPU, how hard is it to make available firmware to some of the current GPUs so they can also be used in OS X, not just in Windows? I just put an EVGA GTX 295 in my MP, it's awesome and all, but if I want to run OS X I have to swap it for my old 8800GT.
Lack of two full PCI Express 2.0 x16? I thought that was already standard in the 2008 Mac Pro.
This is a good step forwards, but as already mentioned, it would have been even better if Nvidia had released an FX5800 mac edition as well. If Nvidia can release a dual platform ready GPU, how hard is it to make available firmware to some of the current GPUs so they can also be used in OS X, not just in Windows? I just put an EVGA GTX 295 in my MP, it's awesome and all, but if I want to run OS X I have to swap it for my old 8800GT.
Might actually be interesting to see if your GTX 295 will be functional in OS X once 10.5.7 is released with the drivers for the FX 4800. The GPU cores are from the same family so the GTX 295 might actually work, if only in single GPU mode.
But still. $1800? That's an Apple tax of $230 over the PC equivalent part over at Newegg.
And no way was the 8800GT a "high-end" card. The 8800GT was to the 8800GTX what the Radeon HD 4870 512MB is to a factory overclocked 4870 1GB, or better yet, the new 4890. If I can fault Apple on anything, it's graphics options and prices.
I too am surprised that Nvidia is releasing the 4800 but not the 5800. Perhaps there is some business sense behind it, or perhaps the comment that more is to come is an indication that they're working on it.
But still. $1800? That's an Apple tax of $230 over the PC equivalent part over at Newegg.
And no way was the 8800GT a "high-end" card. The 8800GT was to the 8800GTX what the Radeon HD 4870 512MB is to a factory overclocked 4870 1GB, or better yet, the new 4890. If I can fault Apple on anything, it's graphics options and prices.
AMD dropped the MSRP of the 512MB HD4870 to $149 before Apple released the new Mac Pro making the 512MB HD4870 a decidedly mid-range GPU on release. The 1GB HD4870 was $199 and the HD4890 wasn't released yet. In comparison, I'm pretty sure that when Apple first introduced the 8800GT, the PC version was still retailing above $200 making it a performance class card. At the very least, it would have been nice for Apple to have used the 1GB version of the HD4870, especially when the extra video memory is useful for OpenCL, seeing as how nVidia's dedicated TESLA GPGPUs have at least 1.5GB up to 6GB of video memory on a single card.