Apple profits rise 15% on sales of 2.2M Macs, 11M iPods

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  • Reply 61 of 104
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Number 1. The 5800 is not an "iPhone Killer" as you put it.



    Number 2. Maybe so many people have purchased it as the purchase requirements are not as restrictive as the likes of Apple.



    Compare it to the other iPhone Killers, please.



    You'll see the irony.
  • Reply 62 of 104
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    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post


    Who cares...a sale is a sale. Doesn't matter who it goes to. So if I buy 20 million iPods this quarter its not supposed to count toward their sales vs other players?



    To be honest I'm not even sure whether US military purchases could be considered a significant enough contributor of the 11M total iPod sales number.



    Last time I heard, US Army don't issue everyone a iPod touch when you enlist or been shipped to Iraq.
  • Reply 63 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post


    unless you are one of the people purchasing apple products and aiding their mammoth income levels...



    "Hi, I want to buy a new iMac"



    "Sure, just bend over and I will be with you shortly"



    So we can assume this is trolling, or do you have a real point to make that you couldn't think of doing in a more acceptable way?
  • Reply 64 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Nokia sells over a million phones a day, what is your point?



    They don't sell anywhere near a million smartphones a day. Or a week.
  • Reply 65 of 104
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post


    unless you are one of the people purchasing apple products and aiding their mammoth income levels...



    "Hi, I want to buy a new iMac"



    "Sure, just bend over and I will be with you shortly"



    If you aren't, then why are you here?
  • Reply 66 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AllenKids View Post


    Compare it to the other iPhone Killers, please.



    You'll see the irony.



    No I don't, what is your point?
  • Reply 67 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    They don't sell anywhere near a million smartphones a day. Or a week.



    What is your point? At the end of the day, Nokia sells over one million phones a day
  • Reply 68 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    What is your point? At the end of the day, Nokia sells over one million phones a day



    The point is that we don't care about how many phones Nokia sells. We only care about how many smartphones they sell.



    This is about smartphones, not cheap, or free phones.
  • Reply 69 of 104
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    No I don't, what is your point?



    Pfff Nokia sell 1M phones per day!



    The 5800 irony?



    Indeed I'll admit I can't help you.
  • Reply 70 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    The point is that we don't care about how many phones Nokia sells. We only care about how many smartphones they sell.



    Well they sell a heck of a lot more than Apple.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    This is about smartphones, not cheap, or free phones.



    No it isn't, Apple sells a device, which competes against these so called 'cheap, or free' phones (which Nokia still gets paid for).
  • Reply 71 of 104
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post




    No it isn't, Apple sells a device, which competes against these so called 'cheap, or free' phones (which Nokia still gets paid for).



    I don't know of anyone that would argue, in good faith, that the iPhone is "competing" with basic free phones.



    That's because the iPhone is a small, hand held computer that includes a phone app (as are several other smartphones on the market).



    You might as well argue that laptop sales should be viewed against LCD tv sales, since laptops can be used to view video. By which you could prove that Samsung is destroying Apple's notebook business.



    I mean, I realize you're not arguing in good faith, and don't care about what makes sense, but I just thought I'd point it out.
  • Reply 72 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Well they sell a heck of a lot more than Apple.



    True. But Apple's phone sales are up more than double from last year this quarter. Nokia's smartphone sales (as are all of their sales) have been dropping ever since the iPhone came out, and were down another 19%. The difference between the two is continually shrinking. If you look at the numbers we've seen published, it will become clear to you.



    Quote:

    No it isn't, Apple sells a device, which competes against these so called 'cheap, or free' phones (which Nokia still gets paid for).



    No they don't. You are trying to set up an argument that doesn't exist. Nice try, but you're wrong. Give it up.
  • Reply 73 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    I don't know of anyone that would argue, in good faith, that the iPhone is "competing" with basic free phones.



    That's because the iPhone is a small, hand held computer that includes a phone app (as are several other smartphones on the market).



    You might as well argue that laptop sales should be viewed against LCD tv sales, since laptops can be used to view video. By which you could prove that Samsung is destroying Apple's notebook business.



    I mean, I realize you're not arguing in good faith, and don't care about what makes sense, but I just thought I'd point it out.



    This is a simple business process, one that you seem to miss, maybe this is why the business world is in the position that it currently is in. When a consumer has the choice between two items, and there is a high chance they will only buy one of them, that makes the items competitors. This is regardless of the price, and the category they fall in to.



    I could buy a netbook, or a MacBook Pro, they are at different ends of the market, but most people will only buy one or the other.



    The same thing with phones, most people will buy one at a time, and there is a range of devices they can choose from across the cellphone category, to which the iPhone, and the 'free' phone are members.



    And remembering the whole competition thing runs between categories as well. The majority of the people in the world cannot afford an iPhone, or any cellphone really, so there are other items competing for there money.
  • Reply 74 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    True. But Apple's phone sales are up more than double from last year this quarter. Nokia's smartphone sales (as are all of their sales) have been dropping ever since the iPhone came out, and were down another 19%. The difference between the two is continually shrinking. If you look at the numbers we've seen published, it will become clear to you.



    How many of the Apple sales are to new customers.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    No they don't. You are trying to set up an argument that doesn't exist. Nice try, but you're wrong. Give it up.



    I think you really need to look outside your own backyard.
  • Reply 75 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    This is a simple business process, one that you seem to miss, maybe this is why the business world is in the position that it currently is in. When a consumer has the choice between two items, and there is a high chance they will only buy one of them, that makes the items competitors. This is regardless of the price, and the category they fall in to.



    I could buy a netbook, or a MacBook Pro, they are at different ends of the market, but most people will only buy one or the other.



    The same thing with phones, most people will buy one at a time, and there is a range of devices they can choose from across the cellphone category, to which the iPhone, and the 'free' phone are members.



    And remembering the whole competition thing runs between categories as well. The majority of the people in the world cannot afford an iPhone, or any cellphone really, so there are other items competing for there money.



    You're taking that argument too far, and we've gone through that argument several times over the past year in several categories.



    In theory, you are correct, but in practice, for the majority of people, you are not. You know that.



    When someone thinks, "Gee, I wish I could afford xxx product, but I can't, so I'll buy yyy instead.", you might say that the two products were in competition, but they were not. Not realistically.
  • Reply 76 of 104
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    How many of the Apple sales are to new customers.



    How many of Nokia's phones were to new customers?



    Quote:

    I think you really need to look outside your own backyard.



    When you don't have an answer, this is what you can come up with?



    I look so far, I can see into your front yard.
  • Reply 77 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You're taking that argument too far, and we've gone through that argument several times over the past year in several categories.



    In theory, you are correct, but in practice, for the majority of people, you are not. You know that.



    The majority of the people could not even afford an Apple product.
  • Reply 78 of 104
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    How many of Nokia's phones were to new customers?







    When you don't have an answer, this is what you can come up with?



    I look so far, I can see into your front yard.



    Nope, I came up with this answer as you appear to be taking a simple outtake on this, you appear to be thinking that everyone in the world is in the same financial position as yourself.
  • Reply 79 of 104
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
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    Originally Posted by winterspan View Post


    Oh, as expected, continued rip-off margins...



    And yet people are buying.



    If you're not part of Apple's target market, or are unable to get into it, that's YOUR problem.
  • Reply 80 of 104
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    The majority of the people could not even afford an Apple product.



    So what? Who really cares?



    Apple isn't even really after the majority anyway, just the premium end. They sell a premium product to a certain segment of the market. That's typical of premium products, nothing new or exceptional.
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