The "Wierdest Jaguar Bug Ever" Thread...
Hope this is in the right place, but I figured it'd be a good idea to collect experiences of Jag oddities / possible workarounds in one place.
Here's mine, I had two kernel panics in a row when I tried to delete the "Desktop (Mac OS 9)" alias off the Dekstop, figuring that since it now puts one in the boot drives main window, I could get rid of the one on the Desktop. Apparently not. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Related to this, I have also seen it noted in a couple of other places that it is now much harder / impossible to modify certian system specified icons, i.e., those in the home folder (won't work at all) as well as those in the boot disk window. Not even a root user can change these things. So apparently we're all stuck with those damn Apple "applications," "library," "users," etc. icons. And this after they make a big deal about all the new "customization" options right in the "what's new" page of help.
Anyone else?
solfege
Here's mine, I had two kernel panics in a row when I tried to delete the "Desktop (Mac OS 9)" alias off the Dekstop, figuring that since it now puts one in the boot drives main window, I could get rid of the one on the Desktop. Apparently not. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Related to this, I have also seen it noted in a couple of other places that it is now much harder / impossible to modify certian system specified icons, i.e., those in the home folder (won't work at all) as well as those in the boot disk window. Not even a root user can change these things. So apparently we're all stuck with those damn Apple "applications," "library," "users," etc. icons. And this after they make a big deal about all the new "customization" options right in the "what's new" page of help.
Anyone else?
solfege
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It works for me, but I'll see if I have the same issue you describe later tonight when I pick up Jag.
Pax!
<strong>I am entirely talking out of my arse on this [as I don't have Jag yet] But I've come across this problem [Icons] before in 10.0 and 10.1x. Nothing seems to happen when you cut/paste a new icon... the solution, simply enough, is to Log out, then back in.
It works for me, but I'll see if I have the same issue you describe later tonight when I pick up Jag.
Pax!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks for the reply. But I've tried all of this...and know these little tricks well.
Indeed, that's the weird thing, all the old solutions (even putting the icon in in 9, etc., do not work any longer. In fact, I've seen one post elsewhere to the effect that other users on a network can see these custom icons but that they will not be visible to the user logged in.
Now THAT's weird, but I can't verify it myself.
solfege
[edit: spelling...I never did learn that darn i - e rule, or the exceptions, as witnessed by the title of this thread <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> ]
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but, if im viewing a finder window in column view and try to use the spring-loaded folder function to drag something to the 'hard drive' from the desktop sometimes the columns auto-expand (which i expected) and other times--seemingly at random--another window in folder view will pop up and let me drill thru that way.
just odd.
It is annoying though, I agree. Some of their icons are weak compared to stuff you can get at Xicons.com for example.
However, within two hours of installation, my Finder got hacked to stick a Cube in the place of that darn iMac in the Finder toolbar... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Rendezvous iChat is not working on my familes other computers! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Do they all have Jaguar. I don't think it's possible to "rendezvous" with systems that don't have Rendezvous.
<strong>I am not sure, but my understanding is the "Computer" icon is now consistent with whatever kind of machine you're running - I think Jaguar sets it up by default. Or at least gives you different computer icons in the customization sheet maybe?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not from what I can see: the icon for the toolbar lives in
System/Library/Coreservices/SystemIcons.bundle/Contents/Resources and is called iMac.icns, and there aren't any other computer icons in there as far as I can tell. I nabbed a shareware Cube icon, renamed it to iMac.icns, swapped it in there, restarted the Finder et voila: Computer actually looks like my computer.
Of course, YMMV.
I haven't gotten these to happen more than once each. Still waiting for a 10.2.1 'clean-up' release sometime soon.
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Do they all have Jaguar. I don't think it's possible to "rendezvous" with systems that don't have Rendezvous.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes they all have Jaguar, I am totally aware of trying to say "Rendezvous doesn't work in 10.1!"....and yes, I do have the family fun five pack
installed it on another computer last night....mine is the only one that can even START a Rendezvous session <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Up until now, I've been using my TiBook exclusively with an external monitor since installing Jaguar Friday night. Just now, I'm using it for the first time on battery power, on Airport, using the built-in display and trackpad instead of an external display and mouse.
I put my TiBook to sleep, disconnected the external monitor, USB hub, ethernet connection, and power. When I woke from sleep, I went to turn on Airport -- but the trackpad was making small motions difficult, so I figured I just needed to adjust my tracking speed...
Well, when I went to System Preferences and tried to adjust the settings, I got as far as seeing the message "Loading Mouse..." and got locked up. No mouse movement, no keyboard response. Tapping (as opposed to pressing and holding for a few seconds) the Power button would work, nor would Command-Option Esc. Only a forced power down would do.
Once I rebooted, everything worked fine, and the trackpad settings didn't need to be adjusted -- though I opened the Mouse Preferences panel anyway just to make sure I could.
Now, maybe this was just a one-time quirk, dealing with it being the first time I'd used the internal display and trackpad since installing Jaguar. But I'm wondering if the next time I sleep my system and have it wake up into a different display/mouse configuration if I'll get into trouble again.
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Not from what I can see: the icon for the toolbar lives in
System/Library/Coreservices/SystemIcons.bundle/Contents/Resources and is called iMac.icns, and there aren't any other computer icons in there as far as I can tell. I nabbed a shareware Cube icon, renamed it to iMac.icns, swapped it in there, restarted the Finder et voila: Computer actually looks like my computer.
Of course, YMMV.
You've already got part of it, but I found the answer over on the MacNN forums...
[quote] Here's the files you need to modify:
Applications toolbar icon:
/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemIcons.bundle/Contents/Resources/apps.icns
The home toolbar icon and the other default folders (Applications, Music, Documents, Home, etc) are a bit trickier to do, because they're stored in a resource file in the same directory:
/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemIcons.bundle/Contents/Resources/SystemIcons.rsrc
You'll need to make a copy of this file where it won't be write protected, and copy it back after making the changes. I used Iconographer for changing the icons. After replacing the file the system requires a full restart to display your changes.
Solar
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This works. You need to use something like iconographer to modify the files (and you should only work on a copy)...using the cut and paste icon family functions is easiest. Once this is done, log into os9 to replace the files and viola!
More of a pain the the tushy, but in fact also more like editing at least some things in 9. Still, it would've been nice if they'd just let it be as it was...
Now if I could just delete that alias....
Oh, and by the way, the iMac.icns is on everyone's machine. You can replace it, but I'm on a Ti DVI 667 & its still telling me my computer is an iMac...humm.
solfege
<strong>The icon thing is not a bug. Most likely that's the way Apple wants it. Arrogant for sure, but probably they feel like having those specific icons is part of the interface metaphor. They want people to acclimate to the visual que of a given icon pointing to a given place or function I suppose.
It is annoying though, I agree. Some of their icons are weak compared to stuff you can get at Xicons.com for example.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yeah, I know the icon thing isn't a bug, just an annoyance. See original post.
The bug is that I can't delete an alias off my desktop without kernel panic. THAT is a bug, since the computer lets me try to do it and then fails to do it without massive systems crash (and its utterly stable otherwise).
solfege
<strong>maybe not a bug. maybe i just havent played with jag enough yet.
but, if im viewing a finder window in column view and try to use the spring-loaded folder function to drag something to the 'hard drive' from the desktop sometimes the columns auto-expand (which i expected) and other times--seemingly at random--another window in folder view will pop up and let me drill thru that way.
just odd.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not a bug. Good UI. Notice it pops up a new window only when you are trying to springload in the same window. If you do that, it does not have a point of reference for the orginal file if you were to release that file back to it's original spot. That's why dragging from the desktop (or another window) works as you expect in column view. If you set all your windows to open in column view, the second window that opens from within the original will also be column view. I hope this makes sense.
<strong>I just found a new bug. I don't know how repeatable it is yet:
Up until now, I've been using my TiBook exclusively with an external monitor since installing Jaguar Friday night. Just now, I'm using it for the first time on battery power, on Airport, using the built-in display and trackpad instead of an external display and mouse.
I put my TiBook to sleep, disconnected the external monitor, USB hub, ethernet connection, and power. When I woke from sleep, I went to turn on Airport -- but the trackpad was making small motions difficult, so I figured I just needed to adjust my tracking speed...
Well, when I went to System Preferences and tried to adjust the settings, I got as far as seeing the message "Loading Mouse..." and got locked up. No mouse movement, no keyboard response. Tapping (as opposed to pressing and holding for a few seconds) the Power button would work, nor would Command-Option Esc. Only a forced power down would do.
Once I rebooted, everything worked fine, and the trackpad settings didn't need to be adjusted -- though I opened the Mouse Preferences panel anyway just to make sure I could.
Now, maybe this was just a one-time quirk, dealing with it being the first time I'd used the internal display and trackpad since installing Jaguar. But I'm wondering if the next time I sleep my system and have it wake up into a different display/mouse configuration if I'll get into trouble again.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You should always connect/disconnect devices while your TiBook is awake. I have noticed my iceBook can do weird things if I disconnect things when its asleep.