No one seems to be thinking there is the following possibility: if they want to pre-empt Palm, get developers ready and get a good release date Apple COULD have a special event ahead of the WWDC to announce the new iPhone and related product.
That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.
How can this guy be so sure.. how can he argue something so offensively with no facts. Lets just wait and see shall we. I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.
Apple knows what they are doing...
Its a valid point, but this is not about that. If they did do such a thing and it blew away the Pre before it even left it would be stunningly damaging.
Part of being dominant is what you do to stay that way.
I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
And why wise people are monotheistic. But I digress.
iPhone 3.0 will be here in June. I think the wisest perspective is the one that makes note of contracts ending in June, allowing for immediate renewals with 3.0. Too much risk of revenue loss for Apple and AT$T if people defect to other platforms/devices.
How can this guy be so sure.. how can he argue something so offensively with no facts. Lets just wait and see shall we. I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
Munster has been wrong more often than he has been right in the past.
He seems like a nice family guy, but a bit on the dumb side and kind of klutzy tho ....
Wise, they may be. But ignorant? Possibly. Note, it certainly doesn't work in the reverse.
Why do people think that people who have owned an iPhone since the day it came out, have received multiple free updates, no doubt have access, at least, to as many apps as touch owners, would not want a better version this year, with all the features they missed out on at 3G?
Never mind that, why would they "jump ship" to another, un-proven platform such as palm (or a traditionally crappy one like winmob) on a different network, just to give it a try?
I think people are misunderestimating the customer satisfaction ratings. Apple's lock-in, if not slightly nefarious, is certainly effective. Once you go iPhone, you don't go back. We'll see.
Can we please get the iPad announcement by the end of June? Netbooks are flying off shelves and Apple's new iPad would be great now. The iPhone has been getting a lot of negative publicity lately - jailbreaking for restricted Apps, AT&T's choke hold on 3G performance. An iPad, even if not available until 3rd or 4th quarter, would be a great announcement- cause a lot of buzz.
You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.
You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.
All those original iPhones' 2-yr contracts expire at the end of June (at least those that didn't upgrade to 3G). Apple & AT&T would certainly not want these owners to wander over to Pre or whatever because there is no new iPhone hardware to entice them to renew.
I wager at least an announcement at WWDC of new iPhones rather than at a later date.
The phones don't explode when the contract expires. All you rumor mongers assume that you have to buy a new phone when a contract expires, or would for some reason go to another vendor and dump the iPhone (dumb move). I could care less about new iPhones. I have no interest in replacing my 1st gen phone. The phone is more durable than the cheap plastic 3G, and I pay less because I don't have 3G. Edge is fine for me, for the internet and mail usage that I do, and I will benefit from almost all the 3.0 improvements without having to waste money on new phone or higher priced contract. People usually upgraded their phones in the past because they were such pieces of shit, they didn't last two years.
OTOH, large developers with a special relationship with Apple probably already have access to more ?complete? versions of the beta software and test hardware (such as companies like Tom Tom perhaps?) and have likely already been testing their software on the new iron.
This was common practice on the hardware side in the past. I would tend to agree with you that it would make a lot of sense. Especially for those apps/hardware that Apple believes will push additional 3.0 sales.
Even with a really cool Snow Leopard demo I still want hardware and I want it to be the next iPhone. I think there will be a lot disappointed people if they don't announce it.
It doesn't matter what is announced at WWDC because most of the whiners here find a reason to bitch and complain and say how everything they announced sucked, even with new hardware announcements. So if they do announce new iPhones, everyone here will say the new phone sucks because Apple forgot to add the Flux Capacitor, or they changed the Home button from a circle to a square. They'll all say it was such a waste and a disappointment. So bring on the crybabies!
I think it's time for Apple to show the world they can manage without Steve Jobs, to show people that Apple CAN work when Steve Jobs decides to leave, and I think this is a perfect opportunity to do that.
I don't think Jobs is leaving Apple anytime soon, but he's got to start backing up slowly so that the other big shots at Apple know how to run the company later on.
SADLY I THING WE ALL UN-FAIRLY built up steve to much in the past . We set him on such a high pedestal.
It took and takes an incredible well oiled tech team to create all of apple's past incredible devices like the ipod,iphone the mac' .Etc etc
yes steve has an incredible vision. And is he main driving force behind apple's success . but there ARE dozen's of behind the scene's wizards at apple who do the creating.
Steve jobs always wanted to have fun . Fun products that do amazing things . Look at pixar .. look at the shuffle .
If steve does leave for a while to get better . That fantastic team will still be there And any new products have already been lined up yrs in advance. And even at home Steve's input will still be there .
i love steve and he does bring magic to what apple makes . even when it's not so magical . but in truth the apple products right now are so great that a steve-less show would be ok too. i mean at the 15 in uni body pro mac !!!! Un fucking touchable . And my god that app store is a sleeping monster . And don't forget podcasts . There free . And there's a ton's of them. I could name so many more but we ll know them .
you know, i like John's blog and John's comments on RoughlyDrafted, but is AI shilling for John or is this a really really really slow news day that you would give a blogger front page. I dont read anything that indicates John is an expert in any field like DED of RoughlyDrafted is.
But than again, these "analyst" are guessing, anyways.
It doesn't matter what is announced at WWDC because most of the whiners here find a reason to bitch and complain and say how everything they announced sucked, even with new hardware announcements. So if they do announce new iPhones, everyone here will say the new phone sucks because Apple forgot to add the Flux Capacitor, or they changed the Home button from a circle to a square. They'll all say it was such a waste and a disappointment. So bring on the crybabies!
You are correct. I am sure that we'll have someone create an account just to bash the iPhone because it doesn't with the non-existent 4G. Seriously, I'd be surprised if that didn't happen.
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No one seems to be thinking there is the following possibility: if they want to pre-empt Palm, get developers ready and get a good release date Apple COULD have a special event ahead of the WWDC to announce the new iPhone and related product.
That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.
Apple knows what they are doing...
I fully expect Jobs will come out on stage looking like this...
That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.
Apple knows what they are doing...
Its a valid point, but this is not about that. If they did do such a thing and it blew away the Pre before it even left it would be stunningly damaging.
Part of being dominant is what you do to stay that way.
I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
And why wise people are monotheistic. But I digress.
iPhone 3.0 will be here in June. I think the wisest perspective is the one that makes note of contracts ending in June, allowing for immediate renewals with 3.0. Too much risk of revenue loss for Apple and AT$T if people defect to other platforms/devices.
How can this guy be so sure.. how can he argue something so offensively with no facts. Lets just wait and see shall we. I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
Munster has been wrong more often than he has been right in the past.
He seems like a nice family guy, but a bit on the dumb side and kind of klutzy tho ....
And why wise people are monotheistic. ...
Dude, you just dissed like a billion people in India, (not to mention the Catholics).
And why wise people are monotheistic
Wise, they may be. But ignorant? Possibly. Note, it certainly doesn't work in the reverse.
Why do people think that people who have owned an iPhone since the day it came out, have received multiple free updates, no doubt have access, at least, to as many apps as touch owners, would not want a better version this year, with all the features they missed out on at 3G?
Never mind that, why would they "jump ship" to another, un-proven platform such as palm (or a traditionally crappy one like winmob) on a different network, just to give it a try?
I think people are misunderestimating the customer satisfaction ratings. Apple's lock-in, if not slightly nefarious, is certainly effective. Once you go iPhone, you don't go back.
Dude, you just dissed like a billion people in India, (not to mention the Catholics).
Deleted post. Completely misread your response..... (embarrass).
Ok- fine. iPhone -whenever.
Can we please get the iPad announcement by the end of June? Netbooks are flying off shelves and Apple's new iPad would be great now. The iPhone has been getting a lot of negative publicity lately - jailbreaking for restricted Apps, AT&T's choke hold on 3G performance. An iPad, even if not available until 3rd or 4th quarter, would be a great announcement- cause a lot of buzz.
You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/131515/ipad/
I don't believe a GD thing Munster says. In 3 weeks he's going to look like a fool.
I don't believe the other jackass either.
You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/131515/ipad/
All those original iPhones' 2-yr contracts expire at the end of June (at least those that didn't upgrade to 3G). Apple & AT&T would certainly not want these owners to wander over to Pre or whatever because there is no new iPhone hardware to entice them to renew.
I wager at least an announcement at WWDC of new iPhones rather than at a later date.
The phones don't explode when the contract expires. All you rumor mongers assume that you have to buy a new phone when a contract expires, or would for some reason go to another vendor and dump the iPhone (dumb move). I could care less about new iPhones. I have no interest in replacing my 1st gen phone. The phone is more durable than the cheap plastic 3G, and I pay less because I don't have 3G. Edge is fine for me, for the internet and mail usage that I do, and I will benefit from almost all the 3.0 improvements without having to waste money on new phone or higher priced contract. People usually upgraded their phones in the past because they were such pieces of shit, they didn't last two years.
OTOH, large developers with a special relationship with Apple probably already have access to more ?complete? versions of the beta software and test hardware (such as companies like Tom Tom perhaps?) and have likely already been testing their software on the new iron.
This was common practice on the hardware side in the past. I would tend to agree with you that it would make a lot of sense. Especially for those apps/hardware that Apple believes will push additional 3.0 sales.
Even with a really cool Snow Leopard demo I still want hardware and I want it to be the next iPhone. I think there will be a lot disappointed people if they don't announce it.
It doesn't matter what is announced at WWDC because most of the whiners here find a reason to bitch and complain and say how everything they announced sucked, even with new hardware announcements. So if they do announce new iPhones, everyone here will say the new phone sucks because Apple forgot to add the Flux Capacitor, or they changed the Home button from a circle to a square. They'll all say it was such a waste and a disappointment. So bring on the crybabies!
I think they are both right. iPhone 3.0 will be announced at WWDC and launched at the end of June / early July.
Where have you been? Living in a hole? iPhone 3.0 was already announced, long ago, with a preview of new features.
I think it's time for Apple to show the world they can manage without Steve Jobs, to show people that Apple CAN work when Steve Jobs decides to leave, and I think this is a perfect opportunity to do that.
I don't think Jobs is leaving Apple anytime soon, but he's got to start backing up slowly so that the other big shots at Apple know how to run the company later on.
SADLY I THING WE ALL UN-FAIRLY built up steve to much in the past . We set him on such a high pedestal.
It took and takes an incredible well oiled tech team to create all of apple's past incredible devices like the ipod,iphone the mac' .Etc etc
yes steve has an incredible vision. And is he main driving force behind apple's success . but there ARE dozen's of behind the scene's wizards at apple who do the creating.
Steve jobs always wanted to have fun . Fun products that do amazing things . Look at pixar .. look at the shuffle .
If steve does leave for a while to get better . That fantastic team will still be there And any new products have already been lined up yrs in advance. And even at home Steve's input will still be there .
i love steve and he does bring magic to what apple makes . even when it's not so magical . but in truth the apple products right now are so great that a steve-less show would be ok too. i mean at the 15 in uni body pro mac !!!! Un fucking touchable . And my god that app store is a sleeping monster . And don't forget podcasts . There free . And there's a ton's of them. I could name so many more but we ll know them .
i hope and pray that steve gets well soon .
Where have you been? Living in a hole? iPhone 3.0 was already announced, long ago, with a preview of new features.
Please let me clarify. iPhone hardware 3.0 will be announced at WWDC with an availability date in late June / early July.
But than again, these "analyst" are guessing, anyways.
It doesn't matter what is announced at WWDC because most of the whiners here find a reason to bitch and complain and say how everything they announced sucked, even with new hardware announcements. So if they do announce new iPhones, everyone here will say the new phone sucks because Apple forgot to add the Flux Capacitor, or they changed the Home button from a circle to a square. They'll all say it was such a waste and a disappointment. So bring on the crybabies!
You are correct. I am sure that we'll have someone create an account just to bash the iPhone because it doesn't with the non-existent 4G. Seriously, I'd be surprised if that didn't happen.