iPhone rival Palm Pre to sell for $199 after rebate on June 6th

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  • Reply 101 of 429
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    I love the way fanboyz on here are bitching at the Pre's unveiling $299 costs with a $100 rebate.

    How much was the iPhone when it originally was relea$ed?

    $600!!!!!!!!!





    Errrm that was 2 years ago, we are in 2009, different landscape.
  • Reply 102 of 429
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
    Hey something else occurred to me that I'd like people's take on: With the iphone, when you invest in a ton of apps, you're locked in pretty much so you can't go to a different phone and bring your apps. Since Palm developed an OS that will be used in many different phones in the future, you should be able to switch to a different model and bring your apps, correct? They've already announced another phone that will run the webOS, I'm sure there will be more to come.



    Hey that's a plus isn't it?
  • Reply 103 of 429
    wingswings Posts: 261member
    For everyone so quick to jump on the "no background apps for iPhone", I wouldn't be so sure about that. Check out this recent article:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...hone-30-2009-5
  • Reply 104 of 429
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    And what feature is this Pre bringing that haven't been out in phones for years, name one feature?



    WebOS
  • Reply 105 of 429
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    not right away...



    Does the Pre record video?



    Palm said the Pre will not have video recording capability when it first launches, but it is something they are looking into for future updates.




    Damn I thought the Pre had every feature the iphone lacked.
  • Reply 106 of 429
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
    (snipped)



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  • Reply 107 of 429
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macnyc View Post


    I live in NYC where everybody uses their phones 24/7 and I don't know a single person who carries around a spare battery. I also travel extensively and have yet to meet anyone anywhere who carries around a spare battery.



    Where do these people live?! Do they really exist?!



    Yes and yes. It's not about carrying one around- where did you get that from? It's about you walking into a store and you replacing it, when and if you need it. And swapping batteries is common place for cameras- we do have them in NYC and sell batteries at JandR. Many of us buy them. Why buy a brick to hook on your iPhone when you could simply travel with a battery?

    Have you ever been outside of an Apple store or Teckserve?
  • Reply 108 of 429
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    Errrm that was 2 years ago, we are in 2009, different landscape.



    Lame.
  • Reply 109 of 429
    istinkistink Posts: 250member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macnyc View Post


    I live in NYC where everybody uses their phones 24/7 and I don't know a single person who carries around a spare battery. I also travel extensively and have yet to meet anyone anywhere who carries around a spare battery.



    Where do these people live?! Do they really exist?!



    I really exist. At least I think I do. Oh god what if I don't really exist!?





    I have 2 spares I take with me camping
  • Reply 110 of 429
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Will the Pre come with a flash?



    They are working on bringing a mobile version of Flash 10 to WebOS, but the date I last read was estimated at 2010.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by msantti View Post


    We will soon find out how hot the multi-tasking thing really is on this thing.



    I think it will be great, for what it is. It’s just HTML, CSS and JS after all. Think of changing webpages in your web browser.



    This is a great move for Palm at this point. If this device takes off they will eventually have to make a more robust development system, but this is a simple way to get tried and true apps on their device out of the gate. And it’s easy for web developers, too, though the DB stuff will be new.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz;1418551Now we learn it doesn't even compete on price, until [I


    after[/I] a mail-in rebate? Mail in rebate? Are you joking?!



    I think the rebate will hurt the device’s sales tremendously. It has a sale price 50% more than the iPhone. The fact that you can get the money back within 4-8 weeks is not comforting to many people who want the discount now or just don’t have the funds. I’d wager that they are going to drop the price and get rid of the rebate system pretty early on.











    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post


    The "Pre" is V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-E! It's still a promise, a dream, a phantom, a wisp. Nothing more.



    Not being released is not the same thing as vaporware. There is more than enough proof that they exist and will be on sale soon.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GTL215 View Post


    Didn't the Pre CEO (or sprint CEO, i forget) make some snively comment such as, "why would we price it the same as an iPhone when we have the better product"? HA what a shithead. Is a mail-in rebate his idea of pricing the Pre higher? Gimmie a break.



    If the data plan is not required then the subsidy by Sprint is probably considerably lower than what AT&T pays Apple. I look forward to see what the parts costs.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    I don't think he'd say that. I think he'd point out the number of times that scenario occurs is relatively small, and so it's not as big of a feature as some would like to make it out to be.



    Nope, I wouldn’t say that. I have historically had 2 spare batteries for my Mac notebooks despite them having good battery times than other notebooks. I travel a lot and having the juice is a good thing. Despite that, I hope they make the next Mac update with the same non-user swappable battery bay as the 17” MBP as it will add battery life and will allow them to use more of the sides for ports, while maintaining their design standards. But I understand that my needs are from being typical so I don’t expect Apple to change their business model or call it a “FAiL” just because they don’t do things in the exactly the way that suits my needs best all the time. Luckily we have many products to choose from.





    I have 1 very large external iPhone battery that will recharge the internal battery a few times. I don’t use it much but it’s nice to have just in case. A user-swappble battery has never been used with the iPod line, is moving away from their notebook line and shouldn’t be expected with the iPhone. Why using a battery that plugs into the dock connector and charges it back up is an issue is beyond me. Both methods have their issues, but I’ll take an iPhone with a “tumor” hanging off of it for 30 minutes over a the alternative issues that will be with me every time I use the device any day. I don’t think people realize that the battery packs recharge the internal battery.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Yes- 6 months supposedly after its release,it goes to Verizon. Did Palm make a CDMA version as well?



    Sprint is CDMA, so the Pre is already radioed for Verizon.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    When I inquired about the iphone at best buy about 8 months ago or so, the girl working there said it was 200 with sign up, but 400 for a replacement (this is the 8gb model.) She was trying real hard to sell me on the 15 dollar insurance that nobody else but best buy offered, but said lost or stolen iphones aren't covered, neither is water damage or broken screen. Basically the phone would have to die on it's own and now I'm ranting so I'll shutup.



    That $400 is the in-contract price, which requires you to re-sign up for another 2 years. The retail price is more around $600 from many estimates.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post


    Push notification is absolutely not a better solution. It is a very limited solution to a very limited set of problems.



    It’s a better solution for many app, but it doesn’t solve every problem. It’s not designed to and I think that the rumors of Apple allowing you to choose an app or two to work in the background will come to fruition, but it will never be active on the original or 3G iPhones. They just don’t have enough RAM for it to be a viable solution. Just like the iPhone video camera, if you want a poor, just functional solution for those devices go with the jailbreak. However, if the next iPhone really is ~600MHz and, most importantly, has 256MB RAM and Apple still doesn’t offer background apps then the jailbreak solution should work very well.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Ever think about why both AT&T and Verizon are picking up so many customers, but why Sprint is losing so many?



    No?



    Well, think about it!



    Did you mean to reply to yourself?





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kylemac09 View Post


    Pre supporting flash. Check!



    Since when? Link?
  • Reply 111 of 429
    markbmarkb Posts: 153member
    Quote:

    Pre supporting flash. Check!



    yet another example of how this phone is gonna have about a 45 min battery life....I log into a website that is flash heavy while also listening to music and there are a few "essential" apps in the background that keep pinging the network or the processor or the memory.
  • Reply 112 of 429
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    Hey something else occurred to me that I'd like people's take on: With the iphone, when you invest in a ton of apps, you're locked in pretty much so you can't go to a different phone and bring your apps. Since Palm developed an OS that will be used in many different phones in the future, you should be able to switch to a different model and bring your apps, correct? They've already announced another phone that will run the webOS, I'm sure there will be more to come.



    Hey that's a plus isn't it?



    I think one thing that will mitigate app lock in is that most Apps are pretty cheap. It's also possible that someone could just make a Pre version of their app and migrate the data via the internet or even device to device sync (if such a thing is possible).
  • Reply 113 of 429
    virgil-tb2virgil-tb2 Posts: 1,416member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Maury Markowitz View Post


    If anyone gave a hoot about Palm apps, they wouldn't be on the verge of bankruptcy.



    Being able to run iPhone apps is a good argument to buy an iPhone, not a Pre. And given the years and years of utterly crappy sync support they've had, does anyone really expect the Pre to offer a better experience than the iPhone? It's going to need to.



    It's also worth noting that the pre runs old Palm apps in a WebOS emulator that could just as easily run on the iPhone, and that the majority of those 80,000 apps are old junk that no one in their right mind is interested in.



    Many Palm OS apps are highly specialised business apps that were created for specific situations and companies that no longer even exist. Many of these apps were written in the 90's for a tiny black and white screen. An absolutley huge amount of them are trivial games using either 8 colours or just black and white on a blocky pixelated screen. No one is going to be running most of these except for nostalgic reasons.



    The best and most commonly used of those 80,000 Palm OS apps are completely superseded by the feature set of the pre itself. Why use a Palm OS text editor when the system does it? Why use a Palm OS calendar when the system has it's own calendar etc.?



    It's fantastic they were able to write such a good emulator and it will help with people transitioning from Palm OS to the pre, but to suggest that the pre has 80,000 apps that are useable or desirable is a bit ridiculous. The iPhone's apps are all current, currently useful, and currently being downloaded in large numbers.



    That's a big, big difference.
  • Reply 114 of 429
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Lame.



    That's the best you could come up with?
  • Reply 115 of 429
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by markb View Post


    yet another example of how this phone is gonna have about a 45 min battery life....I log into a website that is flash heavy while also listening to music and there are a few "essential" apps in the background that keep pinging the network or the processor or the memory.



    The phone doesn't have flash.
  • Reply 116 of 429
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    That's the best you could come up with?



    You should be asking yourself that question for explaining a $600 to $300 price differential in 2 years in those terms.
  • Reply 117 of 429
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    WebOS



    WebOS is not a feature, it's a basic part of the system. Your argument is like saying the "one unique feature" of the 2010 Mustang is "has the Mustang engine".



    WebOS may indeed have some unique features, but so far I've been repeatedly underwhelmed.



    Maury
  • Reply 118 of 429
    johnqhjohnqh Posts: 242member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    WebOS



    Please read up on WebOS.



    Essentially, it is a web server running on the phone, and all the apps (including the built-in Palm apps) are written with HTML/Javascript. They are web apps running on the phone. I don't even know how it is different from the web apps on iPhone, other than they are local.



    Note, those apps are WEB APPS! That's why they can run "multitasking". You can run multiple web pages on iPhone too. Web pages do not use that much memory.



    It has limited access to the lower level stuff. For example, no 3D (forget about cool games). I don't even know if it orient the UI according to the accelerometer.... some apps are landscape, but it seems they are always landscape. They don't rotate based on the phone.



    I doubt memory/processor intensive apps (like photo editing, or even good 2D games) are possible.



    No video recording and no AUDIO recording.



    And how are they going to manage the music library? Will they write an iTunes competitor?



    How about unicode support? iPhone can switch to foreign languages from day one, and even if your OS is english, Asian language (Chinese, Japanese etc) websites work flawlessly. Apple has the Mac OS X to base on and everything works. Palm has to start from scratch. It will be interesting to see their language support.



    How about P2P? Doubt it will happen on Pre.
  • Reply 119 of 429
    dhkostadhkosta Posts: 150member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    The Pre is hideous looking. Sorry, 2 years on an iPhone and I can't even entertain the idea of such a half-assed "competitor".



    June 6th release? Ha are you kidding me? This is called, "Whatever we do, it has to be on sale before WWDC, or we won't sell ANY of them."



    At least they'll get a few Pandora suckers to drop $300 + 2 year Sprint contract on it.



    Mind you that Sprint has a 30-day return policy. If the new iPhone kicks enough ass, and is out within that time, there's no telling how many of these things could come back. Especially if Apple and AT&T make ownership more economical.
  • Reply 120 of 429
    gtl215gtl215 Posts: 242member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iStink View Post


    Apple once was (and still is in some regards) the underdog that fought past the naysayers. Why wouldn't you relate to Palm in the same regard?



    b/c Palm was once the market leader and fell from grace due to their own ineptness. Apple fell behind MSFT in market share b/c of a different business model (and some questionable business practices on microsoft's part, as well). In other words, Palm deserves their underdog status.
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