Okay... not sure where the cutoff is between "consumer" and "pro" anymore, but the most expensive camera that Canon makes ($8000) can take both CF and SD/SDHC:
BD sales this year are better than BD sales last year. But as far as the entire home video market BD is still an extremely small option.
And with any new format, it is to be expected that adoption will take time. Was DVD adoption any faster? What other new formats were adopted faster?
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PC sales. I don't see any evidence of BD making any appreciable difference in PC sales.
And that "evidence" is based on what? Is there one PC company not offering BD that you're using as a reference point? Computers with BD are certainly offered, and are selling, aren't they? Link to specific numbers?
I will try to find this article. The author described Blu-ray as great from movies with a large scope, but when you are watching a romantic comedy you care less about 1080P.
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I care. I have a PS3 that I use to watch BD movies (and that my daughter and friends use for, uh, I forgot what else that thing does).
PC sales. I don't see any evidence of BD making any appreciable difference in PC sales.
Not saying it's making an appreciable increase in overall PC sales. Thats rarely what happens. But models with BD are selling well. No doubt taking away sales from some that don't include it.
As Apple's sales are so small a percentage of overall sales (still), BD could very well take sales away from the PC market, as Apple's other features do.
I will try to find this article. The author described Blu-ray as great from movies with a large scope, but when you are watching a romantic comedy you care less about 1080P.
And with any new format, it is to be expected that adoption will take time. Was DVD adoption any faster? What other new formats were adopted faster?
I would say yes. The popularity of DVD exploded. Within a couple of years studios were making more money from DVD than they had ever made from home video entertainment. DVD still accounts for the far majority of home video revenues.
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And that "evidence" is based on what? Is there one PC company not offering BD that you're using as a reference point? Computers with BD are certainly offered, and are selling, aren't they? Link to specific numbers?
If PC's with BD sold more than PC's without. All PC's would have BD.
I would say yes. The popularity of DVD exploded. Within a couple of years studios were making more money from DVD than they had ever made from home video entertainment. DVD still accounts for the far majority of home video revenues.
OK, so link to the numbers showing that DVD sales went up faster than BD sales did by this point in their lifetime.
It's the growth that matters, not the actual numbers, as we always say when discussing Mac sales vs PC sales.
Well its easy to have 1000% growth when you are starting from nothing. The people in the know, know that type of growth doesn't automatically equal long term success.
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Not saying it's making an appreciable increase in overall PC sales. Thats rarely what happens. But models with BD are selling well. No doubt taking away sales from some that don't include it.
Soon after prices came in line PC's with DVD players would have outsold PC's only with CD players. I don't see this at all for BD.
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We don't watch romantic comedies.
I'm not just talking about you, but the general consumer.
no video card updates at all? a $1700 latop with on board video?? removeing the exprees card slot? no blue ray? nice job apple!
I will just keep my $1600 laptop with 17" mate, screen ati 4850 512, blue ray, 320gb 7200 hd, 3 usb , 1 usb / e-sata , firewire , sd slot , 4gb of ram, HDMI. It also has mini pci-e slots on the in side as well.
I'm still waiting for the numpad on the 17'' macbook pro, How can you call pro a computer without number pad?? Real professionals use programs with lots of number entries!!
I'm still waiting for quad proccessor qx9300 17'' macbook pro All other brands already have it.
I'm still waiting for quadro fx graphic cards or gtx graphic cards; buying a 2500€-3500€ notebook with a nvidia 9600 gpu IS A JOKE
I'm still waiting for BlueRay
CONCLUSIONS - I'm not going to wait anymore. I'm, going to buy a dell m6400 covet. THAT IS A REAL PRO NOTEBOOK, NOT THIS.
Well its easy to have 1000% growth when you are starting from nothing. The people in the know, know that type of growth doesn't automatically equal long term success.
It doesn't mean that it won't either. But right now, growth is explosive. People are obviously interested.
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Soon after prices came in line PC's with DVD players would have outsold PC's only with CD players. I don't see this at all for BD.
Maybe you don't, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
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I'm not just talking about you, but the general consumer.
I'm still waiting for the numpad on the 17'' macbook pro, How can you call pro a computer without number pad?? Real professionals use programs with lots of number entries!!
I'm still waiting for quad proccessor qx9300 17'' macbook pro All other brands already have it.
I'm still waiting for quadro fx graphic cards or gtx graphic cards; buying a 2500?-3500? notebook with a nvidia 9600 gpu IS A JOKE
I'm still waiting for BlueRay
CONCLUSIONS - I'm not going to wait anymore. I'm, going to buy a dell m6400 covet. THAT IS A REAL PRO NOTEBOOK, NOT THIS.
Why are you here? Why aren't you on a Dell forum? You can discuss reliability problems with your machines and poor customer service.
Why are you here? Why aren't you on a Dell forum? You can discuss reliability problems with your machines and poor customer service.
Beacuase I want a mac with those specs. Not a dell. I want a mac with hardware corresponding to price and status. Apple calls Pro a notebook for moms. C'mon!
As I said before only BD advocates are making this comparison, they are slanting it towards BD.
Let's put it this way, DVD started in 1997, BD started in 2006. Around the 2000/2001 time frame is when DVD hit a tipping point where it became common for most people to have one. 2009/2010 would be the same amount of time for BD to have a similar tipping point. I don't see most people having BD players between this year and next.
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OK, so link to the numbers showing that DVD sales went up faster than BD sales did by this point in their lifetime.
As I said before only BD advocates are making this comparison, they are slanting it towards BD.
Let's put it this way, DVD started in 1997, BD started in 2006. Around the 2000/2001 time frame is when DVD hit a tipping point where it became common for most people to have one. 2009/2010 would be the same amount of time for BD to have a similar tipping point. I don't see most people having BD players between this year and next.
Obviously we can't see into the future, so we can only compare the first three years of each format.
How is comparing numbers of players sold and movies sold "slanting" the comparison?
Beacuase I want a mac with those specs. Not a dell. I want a mac with hardware corresponding to price and status. Apple calls Pro a notebook for moms. C'mon!
Certainly doesn't sound like that.
Considering just how many pros use these Macs, your view isn't universal.
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Okay... not sure where the cutoff is between "consumer" and "pro" anymore, but the most expensive camera that Canon makes ($8000) can take both CF and SD/SDHC:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...elTechSpecsAct
And it's been roundly criticized for using that SD card rather than another CF card.
Actually, yeah. Considering the recession, BD is doing quite well. BD sales are way up, as are the sales of movies.
BD sales this year are better than BD sales last year. But as far as the entire home video market BD is still an extremely small option.
As far as movie sales one or two movies such as "The Dark Knight" or "Ironman" have outstanding sales, but the industry is in decline.
How can you cite evidence for something that doesn't exist?
PC sales. I don't see any evidence of BD making any appreciable difference in PC sales.
BD sales this year are better than BD sales last year. But as far as the entire home video market BD is still an extremely small option.
And with any new format, it is to be expected that adoption will take time. Was DVD adoption any faster? What other new formats were adopted faster?
PC sales. I don't see any evidence of BD making any appreciable difference in PC sales.
And that "evidence" is based on what? Is there one PC company not offering BD that you're using as a reference point? Computers with BD are certainly offered, and are selling, aren't they? Link to specific numbers?
I care. I have a PS3 that I use to watch BD movies (and that my daughter and friends use for, uh, I forgot what else that thing does).
BD sales this year are better than BD sales last year. But as far as the entire home video market BD is still an extremely small option.
As far as movie sales one or two movies such as "The Dark Knight" or "Ironman" have outstanding sales, but the industry is in decline.
It's the growth that matters, not the actual numbers, as we always say when discussing Mac sales vs PC sales.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42359/98/
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...-million-discs
PC sales. I don't see any evidence of BD making any appreciable difference in PC sales.
Not saying it's making an appreciable increase in overall PC sales. Thats rarely what happens. But models with BD are selling well. No doubt taking away sales from some that don't include it.
As Apple's sales are so small a percentage of overall sales (still), BD could very well take sales away from the PC market, as Apple's other features do.
I will try to find this article. The author described Blu-ray as great from movies with a large scope, but when you are watching a romantic comedy you care less about 1080P.
We don't watch romantic comedies.
But even so, people do like to see the detail.
And with any new format, it is to be expected that adoption will take time. Was DVD adoption any faster? What other new formats were adopted faster?
I would say yes. The popularity of DVD exploded. Within a couple of years studios were making more money from DVD than they had ever made from home video entertainment. DVD still accounts for the far majority of home video revenues.
And that "evidence" is based on what? Is there one PC company not offering BD that you're using as a reference point? Computers with BD are certainly offered, and are selling, aren't they? Link to specific numbers?
If PC's with BD sold more than PC's without. All PC's would have BD.
I would say yes. The popularity of DVD exploded. Within a couple of years studios were making more money from DVD than they had ever made from home video entertainment. DVD still accounts for the far majority of home video revenues.
OK, so link to the numbers showing that DVD sales went up faster than BD sales did by this point in their lifetime.
If PC's with BD sold more than PC's without. All PC's would have BD.
That would be true for any feature that cost more if that were true.
It isn't because it does cost more.
It's the growth that matters, not the actual numbers, as we always say when discussing Mac sales vs PC sales.
Well its easy to have 1000% growth when you are starting from nothing. The people in the know, know that type of growth doesn't automatically equal long term success.
Not saying it's making an appreciable increase in overall PC sales. Thats rarely what happens. But models with BD are selling well. No doubt taking away sales from some that don't include it.
Soon after prices came in line PC's with DVD players would have outsold PC's only with CD players. I don't see this at all for BD.
We don't watch romantic comedies.
I'm not just talking about you, but the general consumer.
I will just keep my $1600 laptop with 17" mate, screen ati 4850 512, blue ray, 320gb 7200 hd, 3 usb , 1 usb / e-sata , firewire , sd slot , 4gb of ram, HDMI. It also has mini pci-e slots on the in side as well.
Well its easy to have 1000% growth when you are starting from nothing.
Then shouldn't DVD have had a similar rate of growth since it was also starting from nothing?
Soon after prices came in line PC's with DVD players would have outsold PC's only with CD players. I don't see this at all for BD.
Prices for BD in PCs aren't as cheap as DVD yet, are they?
I'm still waiting for the numpad on the 17'' macbook pro, How can you call pro a computer without number pad?? Real professionals use programs with lots of number entries!!
I'm still waiting for quad proccessor qx9300 17'' macbook pro All other brands already have it.
I'm still waiting for quadro fx graphic cards or gtx graphic cards; buying a 2500€-3500€ notebook with a nvidia 9600 gpu IS A JOKE
I'm still waiting for BlueRay
CONCLUSIONS - I'm not going to wait anymore. I'm, going to buy a dell m6400 covet. THAT IS A REAL PRO NOTEBOOK, NOT THIS.
Well its easy to have 1000% growth when you are starting from nothing. The people in the know, know that type of growth doesn't automatically equal long term success.
It doesn't mean that it won't either. But right now, growth is explosive. People are obviously interested.
Soon after prices came in line PC's with DVD players would have outsold PC's only with CD players. I don't see this at all for BD.
Maybe you don't, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
I'm not just talking about you, but the general consumer.
I know.
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I'm still waiting for the numpad on the 17'' macbook pro, How can you call pro a computer without number pad?? Real professionals use programs with lots of number entries!!
I'm still waiting for quad proccessor qx9300 17'' macbook pro All other brands already have it.
I'm still waiting for quadro fx graphic cards or gtx graphic cards; buying a 2500?-3500? notebook with a nvidia 9600 gpu IS A JOKE
I'm still waiting for BlueRay
CONCLUSIONS - I'm not going to wait anymore. I'm, going to buy a dell m6400 covet. THAT IS A REAL PRO NOTEBOOK, NOT THIS.
Why are you here? Why aren't you on a Dell forum? You can discuss reliability problems with your machines and poor customer service.
Why are you here? Why aren't you on a Dell forum? You can discuss reliability problems with your machines and poor customer service.
Beacuase I want a mac with those specs. Not a dell. I want a mac with hardware corresponding to price and status. Apple calls Pro a notebook for moms. C'mon!
Let's put it this way, DVD started in 1997, BD started in 2006. Around the 2000/2001 time frame is when DVD hit a tipping point where it became common for most people to have one. 2009/2010 would be the same amount of time for BD to have a similar tipping point. I don't see most people having BD players between this year and next.
OK, so link to the numbers showing that DVD sales went up faster than BD sales did by this point in their lifetime.
As I said before only BD advocates are making this comparison, they are slanting it towards BD.
Let's put it this way, DVD started in 1997, BD started in 2006. Around the 2000/2001 time frame is when DVD hit a tipping point where it became common for most people to have one. 2009/2010 would be the same amount of time for BD to have a similar tipping point. I don't see most people having BD players between this year and next.
Obviously we can't see into the future, so we can only compare the first three years of each format.
How is comparing numbers of players sold and movies sold "slanting" the comparison?
MACS for MOMS
DELLS for DADS
Do you understand??
Beacuase I want a mac with those specs. Not a dell. I want a mac with hardware corresponding to price and status. Apple calls Pro a notebook for moms. C'mon!
Certainly doesn't sound like that.
Considering just how many pros use these Macs, your view isn't universal.