For now, I'm still using the beta. I thoroughly enjoy my tabs on top, and hope they make a reappearance in an upcoming update. Does anyone know if the beta has an expiration? If not, I'll continue to use it as long as I can.
ZFS is more than just a multi-disk thing...one of the great benefits is that you can have corrupt data on your disk (single disk) that automatically gets corrected using checksums. With large hard drives, this is a real feature for all users who have video/music/photos all over the place.
I used Safari 4 since the beta and I could not stand the upward-facing tabs. If your desktop color is too close to the color of the tabs it was a real pain in the ass to find which tab I wanted and I made sure I complained about it.
I really loved the tabs on top, it made perfect sense. I can have up to 10 tabs open at the same and the top version made it much faster in terms of workflow. I can only hope that someone at Apple is reading this thread and make it an option in preferences.
I'm with you there. it took maybe an hour to get used to reaching to the top for the tabs and now it looks cramped and dingy having the tabs under the bookmarks bar again.
There have been a few problems with crashes.. in my case the problem went away when I trashed the contents of the InputManagers folder (having already having tried zapping the plist files etc.). Odd thing is that the problem didn't come back after I put the various trashed files back into the IM folder (one bit - SafariBlock- being too useful to do without).
The day the top tabs came out, I wrote Apple suggesting they put them back on bottom. Although you loose viewing space, bottom tabs are a shorter distance from the bookmark bar. And when top tabs opened, the cursor would have to travel have the distance of the page just to get to the right tab. I think a lot of activity happens at the upper-left corner of the screen, where the navigation arrows are, and where many people keep their favorite bookmark on the bar. With the top tabs, if you tried to moving the window somewhere, you risked accidentally closing a tab, if you grabbed the window in the wrong place. Those were the reasons I suggested they revert to bottom tabs. But I concede it does lose space.
Tabs on top is a nice option to have. It gives me more room to read, but moving tabs on top is sometimes a really annoying thing to do. I have to be really careful of which spot to drag so as to move tabs rather than to move windows. On top of that, it is not quite a cool idea to change the length of tabs based on tabs' numbers IMO. It gives me a feel of inconsistency.
as a fan of NOT using tabs I couldn't care less, I thought the ideas of the tabs using the top a great way to maximize the available real estate for the actual webspace if you use tabes and I totally get the point about the function of the menu bar to hide the window.
Although I probably would hardly notice, I looked forward to ZFS as it holds a lot of new features that sounded great to me as an IT professional. Too bad it's postponed. I can see that Sun being acquired by Oracle made a difference there.
I was getting used to tabs on top, and either that or the Safari 3 way would have been fine going forwards. What we've ended up with is not so great. The close tab buttons being hidden is unintuitive, not to mention it seems to have made actually getting those close buttons to respond, even harder than it used to be. I still dislike the refresh in address bar thing, and the new loading thing is just nasty. Bring back the filling blue bar IMO.
Interesting the point about maybe trying to look fully native in Windows. I found that the tabs on top looked more at home in Windows than on OS X! Mainly due to the new tab button being right next to the minimise, etc. widgets, I guess. Haven't loaded the final version on Windows yet; hopefully it will have fixed the bug with Outlook Web Access, which just said "enable cookies" in the beta.
- Tabs: moving them to the top the way they did was not the best way to handle the UI. Reduced usability. Better ways to gain space.
- - - Apple, if you want help on the design, I have it figured out . Contact me.
- ZFS: - will be a missed feature. Many laptop users have one or more desktops. Mac Mini connected to the HDTV - big bonus. Backup server - huge extra. been waiting for this for two release now. Windows has a lot of the features.
- Microsoft Commercials.
-- Saw one last night, and now it is great that they appear to not know what they are talking about. Apple sells several laptops under $2,000 with 4GB of ram... . They made those commercials obsolete and the battery life of the laptops are better than those on PCs, yes/no?
-- Price drop, great, and if apple offered them with 8GB of ram for an extra $200
-- Firewire added back to the 13" - thank you Apple
-- New OS, $29 hmm.
-- I hear the gears working on some future ads (Sorry Apple, I tipped them off).
-Apple is going for market share now, and they are making a huge push to move everyone to an intel processor, Snow Leopard, and the latest iLife and iWorks suit. With their push on the touch devices too, I think they will recognize huge gains in market share and mind share and it will show in the numbers through the end of the year (watch January 2010 earnings report. will be huge, assuming Barry [aka barack] and Co. do not get us into a bigger war and worthless economy.
...Too bad it's postponed. I can see that Sun being acquired by Oracle made a difference there.
I'm just contemplating out loud a little here - but in the end, ZFS could still ship in Snow Leopard or at a later date. Oracle's recent aquisition of Sun included a LOT of technology, from java to sparc chips to ZFS - there's THOUSANDS of patents that just changed hands. M&A activities list this usually just wind up delaying things even if there's no strategic barrier to market.
Actually, there's one ZFS feature that would be very useful for desktop: snapshots. Using it, you can implement Time Machine-like functionality without Time Capsule, just by creating filesystem snapshots at regular time intervals. And because you do not need to copy any data to do this, it's even much faster. It's already implemented in OpenSolaris and I'd love to see it in OS X.
Tabs on top had big interface issues, at least in the Beta version:
They didn't CLICK correctly. Either you had to hold the mouse COMPLETELY STILL or else the click didn't register as a "I'd like you to open this tab, please" sort of command. Perhaps the tab was expecting to be moved around. Your click wouldn't have any effect, in which case you would click it again in frustration, sending the whole window sliding down into your Dock.
When using RealPlayer downloader under the previous version of Safari, the clip's name was shown (KimKommando.flv or whatever.) Under the new Sarari 4.0. the clip is shown as "Unknow.flv". Bummer. Why do "new" apps lose functions?
Edit: I spoke too soon. Lo and behold: the last KimKomando clip that downloaded was named. Hallelujah!
In case anyone wonders who Kim Komando is, she calls herself the "Digital Goddess". She has a website and newsletters that pertain to computers, software, technology, and other interesting topics: kimkomando.com
I believe that the reason that they did not implement the new tab interface has to do more with them choosing not implement the new interface that they have been designing. Perhaps the tab interface is part of the new interface. Having it just in Safari would be inconsistent.
I am personally a little disappointed because I enjoyed how little real-estate it took. I loved it.
When only one site is open under Safari, the extreme left (only) tab doesn't have an x to delete the site. You have to use the red button and delete the whole page. Under FireFox, you can delete the site but leave the page open. I was hoping the new Safari would have that feature. No joy.
Maybe Apple didn't want to look like it was copying Google Chrome, and also because it didn't quite fit in with the overall UI (no other program uses it).
Still, it's very disappointing to see that ZFS just isn't going to make the light of day with this release. Sun has had ZFS available now for years and bootable since October 2008. My ancient 9 year old Sun Ultra 60 operates on ZFS exclusively now. Of course it's still possible to see it show up in later point releases. I hope we won't have to wait until 10.7 (2011?) in order to get this key business feature.
When Apple do decide that ZFS is ready to ship for MacOS X, I hope that it's not the default. A file-system needs to have been widely tested for a long time before it becomes the default. I would be happy to see ZFS as an option with 10.7 and the default with 10.8.
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I really loved the tabs on top, it made perfect sense. I can have up to 10 tabs open at the same and the top version made it much faster in terms of workflow. I can only hope that someone at Apple is reading this thread and make it an option in preferences.
I'm with you there. it took maybe an hour to get used to reaching to the top for the tabs and now it looks cramped and dingy having the tabs under the bookmarks bar again.
There have been a few problems with crashes.. in my case the problem went away when I trashed the contents of the InputManagers folder (having already having tried zapping the plist files etc.). Odd thing is that the problem didn't come back after I put the various trashed files back into the IM folder (one bit - SafariBlock- being too useful to do without).
Although I probably would hardly notice, I looked forward to ZFS as it holds a lot of new features that sounded great to me as an IT professional. Too bad it's postponed. I can see that Sun being acquired by Oracle made a difference there.
Interesting the point about maybe trying to look fully native in Windows. I found that the tabs on top looked more at home in Windows than on OS X! Mainly due to the new tab button being right next to the minimise, etc. widgets, I guess. Haven't loaded the final version on Windows yet; hopefully it will have fixed the bug with Outlook Web Access, which just said "enable cookies" in the beta.
- - - Apple, if you want help on the design, I have it figured out
- ZFS: - will be a missed feature. Many laptop users have one or more desktops. Mac Mini connected to the HDTV - big bonus. Backup server - huge extra. been waiting for this for two release now. Windows has a lot of the features.
- Microsoft Commercials.
-- Saw one last night, and now it is great that they appear to not know what they are talking about. Apple sells several laptops under $2,000 with 4GB of ram...
-- Price drop, great, and if apple offered them with 8GB of ram for an extra $200
-- Firewire added back to the 13" - thank you Apple
-- New OS, $29 hmm.
-- I hear the gears working on some future ads (Sorry Apple, I tipped them off).
-Apple is going for market share now, and they are making a huge push to move everyone to an intel processor, Snow Leopard, and the latest iLife and iWorks suit. With their push on the touch devices too, I think they will recognize huge gains in market share and mind share and it will show in the numbers through the end of the year (watch January 2010 earnings report. will be huge, assuming Barry [aka barack] and Co. do not get us into a bigger war and worthless economy.
...Too bad it's postponed. I can see that Sun being acquired by Oracle made a difference there.
I'm just contemplating out loud a little here - but in the end, ZFS could still ship in Snow Leopard or at a later date. Oracle's recent aquisition of Sun included a LOT of technology, from java to sparc chips to ZFS - there's THOUSANDS of patents that just changed hands. M&A activities list this usually just wind up delaying things even if there's no strategic barrier to market.
Just my 2 spacebucks.
Dave
They didn't CLICK correctly. Either you had to hold the mouse COMPLETELY STILL or else the click didn't register as a "I'd like you to open this tab, please" sort of command. Perhaps the tab was expecting to be moved around. Your click wouldn't have any effect, in which case you would click it again in frustration, sending the whole window sliding down into your Dock.
Good riddance!
Edit: I spoke too soon. Lo and behold: the last KimKomando clip that downloaded was named. Hallelujah!
In case anyone wonders who Kim Komando is, she calls herself the "Digital Goddess". She has a website and newsletters that pertain to computers, software, technology, and other interesting topics: kimkomando.com
I am personally a little disappointed because I enjoyed how little real-estate it took. I loved it.
Maybe Apple didn't want to look like it was copying Google Chrome, and also because it didn't quite fit in with the overall UI (no other program uses it).
Still, it's very disappointing to see that ZFS just isn't going to make the light of day with this release. Sun has had ZFS available now for years and bootable since October 2008. My ancient 9 year old Sun Ultra 60 operates on ZFS exclusively now. Of course it's still possible to see it show up in later point releases. I hope we won't have to wait until 10.7 (2011?) in order to get this key business feature.
When Apple do decide that ZFS is ready to ship for MacOS X, I hope that it's not the default. A file-system needs to have been widely tested for a long time before it becomes the default. I would be happy to see ZFS as an option with 10.7 and the default with 10.8.