Not. Nobody knows, which CGI is obviously CG, and how close in quality CGI should be to theatric image to qualify for "looking like".
Ever seen theater screen of 480x320?
Ever watch a movie on the iPhone?
Do you even own an iPhone?
As I said, it requires willful ignorance to not understand that games like NFS, Prey Invasion, Real Racing, Star Wars or Soccer will look more "real" on the 3GS than on the 3G and probably as good as the PSP or DS.
It's like saying you don't understand the difference in "realism" between Doom and Doom 3.
Actually, the iPhone dock connector can have a component video output attached, which is capable of HD. It's not HDMI or DisplayPort, but component can be HD.
However, if it was HD they'd have to have "shown off" with that, wouldn't they? So I agree with you it looks like no HD.
(Likewise, I wonder why they didn't do a demo of Leopard vs Snow Leopard with the customary "2.1x faster!"... unless the speeds they are getting aren't worth showing off).
I feel this is somewhat unlikely even for the 3GS as part of Apple's 2009 strategy but it is interesting what can be done with a current gen touch and what the 3GS and next Touch will manage.
Can any techies here comment on how this platform compares with the OMAP TI3*** chipsets?
I would suspect it is very similar in spec. What I find very interesting from an EE perspective is the battery life increase. Normally the performance increase would eat up most of the power improvements you gain from the die shrink from 90NM to 65NM. It appears to have the same size battery so that means tweaking the idle states of the chip which was one of the things PA SEMI did well with their PowerPC design. I am interested to see who actually put together the silicon, because it will tell us if this is a pure Apple design using IP from ARM and Imagination or if it is a Samsung design which Apple has tweaked. If TSMC was the foundry vs Samsung then Apple is further along with their own design then most thought possible, but we won't know that till someone opens up the box and spills the beans
If TSMC was the foundry vs Samsung then Apple is further along with their own design then most thought possible, but we won't know that till someone opens up the box and spills the beans
heh...we'll have a teardown within hours of the launch if not minutes.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Nope...any OpenGL ES 2.0 card is better than the fixed function GPU of the predecessor.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
It's like this was posted by some generic "Apple sucks" bot that isn't very good at context analysis.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Barely better than software? Is your brain functioning?
We don't know if its a 520 or 530, but either way the PowerVR SGX in the iPhone is a very powerful chip. The Pre is the only other phone on the MARKET with a GPU as fast as the iPhone 3GS. The SGX 520/530 can render 4x/7x more polygons per second than the MBX lite in the existing iPhone 3G.
Similarly, besides the ATI 4850/4870, Nvidia now has a GTX285 made for Macs.
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Not. Nobody knows, which CGI is obviously CG, and how close in quality CGI should be to theatric image to qualify for "looking like".
Ever seen theater screen of 480x320?
Ever watch a movie on the iPhone?
Do you even own an iPhone?
As I said, it requires willful ignorance to not understand that games like NFS, Prey Invasion, Real Racing, Star Wars or Soccer will look more "real" on the 3GS than on the 3G and probably as good as the PSP or DS.
It's like saying you don't understand the difference in "realism" between Doom and Doom 3.
Actually, the iPhone dock connector can have a component video output attached, which is capable of HD. It's not HDMI or DisplayPort, but component can be HD.
However, if it was HD they'd have to have "shown off" with that, wouldn't they? So I agree with you it looks like no HD.
(Likewise, I wonder why they didn't do a demo of Leopard vs Snow Leopard with the customary "2.1x faster!"... unless the speeds they are getting aren't worth showing off).
I feel this is somewhat unlikely even for the 3GS as part of Apple's 2009 strategy but it is interesting what can be done with a current gen touch and what the 3GS and next Touch will manage.
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/05...mes-on-tv.html
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/
Can any techies here comment on how this platform compares with the OMAP TI3*** chipsets?
I would suspect it is very similar in spec. What I find very interesting from an EE perspective is the battery life increase. Normally the performance increase would eat up most of the power improvements you gain from the die shrink from 90NM to 65NM. It appears to have the same size battery so that means tweaking the idle states of the chip which was one of the things PA SEMI did well with their PowerPC design. I am interested to see who actually put together the silicon, because it will tell us if this is a pure Apple design using IP from ARM and Imagination or if it is a Samsung design which Apple has tweaked. If TSMC was the foundry vs Samsung then Apple is further along with their own design then most thought possible, but we won't know that till someone opens up the box and spills the beans
If TSMC was the foundry vs Samsung then Apple is further along with their own design then most thought possible, but we won't know that till someone opens up the box and spills the beans
heh...we'll have a teardown within hours of the launch if not minutes.
Can any techies here comment on how this platform compares with the OMAP TI3*** chipsets?
Anandtech has this
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579
He believes the 3GS uses the SGX520, whereas the OMAP3 in the Pre uses the SGX530
- which means the Pre has a slightly better graphics core
- both the 3GS & the OMAP3 use the Cortex-A8 CPU, so they should be very similar
In 7 days the phone will be ripped apart and all answers will be given.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Nope...any OpenGL ES 2.0 card is better than the fixed function GPU of the predecessor.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Ugh... Another year with an abysmal video chip. That chip is barely better than software. Quake2 ran at pretty much the same frame rate on the last unit. Apple just doesn't care about games it seems like. They constantly feed their users poor video cards.
Barely better than software? Is your brain functioning?
We don't know if its a 520 or 530, but either way the PowerVR SGX in the iPhone is a very powerful chip. The Pre is the only other phone on the MARKET with a GPU as fast as the iPhone 3GS. The SGX 520/530 can render 4x/7x more polygons per second than the MBX lite in the existing iPhone 3G.
Similarly, besides the ATI 4850/4870, Nvidia now has a GTX285 made for Macs.
would have liked a little bar graph displaying speeds of old code on old chip, old code on the new chip and new code on new chip.
You will probably never see that because the new chip only runs with the new code (ie, OS 3.0). The new chip (ie, 3G S) will chip with OS 3.0.
But you might be able to see is old code on old chip vs. new code on old chip v. new code on new chip (akin to the Sunspider benchmark they showed).