Many things over the years have bothered me from apple. No mid range mac tower, no competing graphics cards, stubbornness on updating the finder, dropping fw from the 13" mb. But none of them were show stoppers for me. I bought a Mac Pro, I put up with the finder or used path finder, I got a 15" instead of a 13", etc. But none of these affected me as much as the glossy screens. I refuse to buy a glossy screen. 17" is way too big for me and is not an option.
Honestly, I think laptops can put up with glossy screens more so than desktop monitors. For the iMac and Apple Cinema Display to only come in glossy is a major slap in the face of all professionals that use them. I spent 10 days on an Apple Cinema Display 24" LED, and sent it back. I couldn't stand the glare. No matter where I put it there was always glare coming back to me to where I would start slouching in my chair (SteelCase Leap Ergonomic) and start hurting my back.
Working 12 hours a day isn't exactly healthy, I'm aware of that. I would always get minor pains. But with that apple display I was constantly fighting for position. Constantly squinting my eyes.
I know apple got a flood of outrage when they went all glossy. They kept shutting down and deleting threads on the apple discussion forums. It was pretty humorous for a few weeks.
Either way, apple really needs to address this... especially with their professional line up. They can keep glossy for all of the people that want it and want to kill their eyes for "shiny", but at the very least offer an option for the rest of us.
I prefer no-glare, but the easy-to-clean factor of the glass outweighs everything else for me. I compare cleaning my pre-glossy iMac to cleaning my parents' glossy iMac and I am always jealous!
I prefer no-glare, but the easy-to-clean factor of the glass outweighs everything else for me. I compare cleaning my pre-glossy iMac to cleaning my parents' glossy iMac and I am always jealous!
Seriously, how often do you need to clean an lcd. Are you touching it, sneezing on it, and blowing dust all over it? I don't know about you but I look at an LCD a lot more than I clean it. My eyes comfort outweighs everything else for me.
Ah, it's nice to have an option again regarding glossy/matte (I'm writing this on a matte 2008 mbp by the way). Let's just hope this is not just a rumor and that we will finally see more "antiglare" displays in apple stores
Ouch! My wife bought a 13 inch MacBook about six months ago with no firewire and the glossy screen, both of which are problematic. I guess it will be eBay time when the next 13 inch pro comes out with a matte screen. \
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
Funny you say the glass screens are easy to clean. We have those glass things at work and every day I come in there's a layer of dust on them, this never happened when we had the matte LCD screens.
Ouch! My wife bought a 13 inch MacBook about six months ago with no firewire and the glossy screen, both of which are problematic. I guess it will be eBay time when the next 13 inch pro comes out with a matte screen.
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
Honestly, I think laptops can put up with glossy screens more so than desktop monitors.
Surely the contrary - the laptop will go outside, where sunlight will form the most glare, but nobody places their computer monitor where sunlight will shine on it through a window, so the only glare options are in-room lighting and bright clothing. The former only requires a one-off adjustment if it is an issue. The user benefits from a the better picture that glossy displays have in good conditions.
The anti-glare museum glass looks like a good option though. You seriously can't see this stuff unless you are up close in a museum.
In the meantime, customers adverse to the glossy displays are left with only a couple of options. They can plunk down the extra change for a 17-inch MacBook Pro with the antiglare option, or send their glossy MacBook Pro to solutions provides like TechRestore, which offers a third-party matte screen replacement program for $200.
"GlareBook Pro?" their Web site chides. "We don?t think so."
$200 -- I don't think so.
I went with the $35 option and I am very happy.
Power Support Antiglare Film for MacBook and MacBook Air
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
Please do it. I still have my 1st gen MacBook Pro Core Duo. No plans on upgrading unless they offer a matte display. When Apple announced Cinema Display 24" with glossy, I tried to find the older model. The only ones I could get were used, so I ended up purchasing on eBay.
In all the Apple Stores there are cameras, the customers are video taped and the actions of the people in the store are analyzed and studied much like rats in a maze in some psychological experiment. This is Apple’s marketing secret, which only a few people like myself know about. It’s done under the guise of security naturally, that’s local, but all the video feeds are also sent to a central facility based in Texas for the marketing department to view.
Apple runs it’s stores just like any Las Vegas casino – they watch their customers to the point they can predict your behavior before you do. They know pretty much how you’re going to react based upon certain stimuli, they know the shopping experience is emotional and impulsive, that’s why the lust factor for Apple products and their prices, are so high. People naturally equate a higher price as a better product.
This would explain why Apple thinks "Our customers love glossy displays" as people naturally gravitate to shiny objects.
I've seen this occur in mixed high end art shops, the glassy baubles get all the attention.
So if Apple is going by their 'marketing research' from their stores, and ignoring the installed user base preferences need for anti-glare, would explain things and why they decided to make their screens even more glassy in the latest versions.
It would also explain the online polls from experienced users who prefer the anti-glare type screens.
I think Apple could do better than follow HP who has no experience in selling computers.
HP claims they introduced the more expensive glassy screens:
Funny you say the glass screens are easy to clean. We have those glass things at work and every day I come in there's a layer of dust on them, this never happened when we had the matte LCD screens.
You mean you didn't notice it. The quickest way to clean a glossy computer screen? Turn it on and Voila! dust and fingerprints are rendered invisible.
Having a glare-option seems like good proposition for Apple. It used to be offered for free, but now they can return it to make users happy and profit by charging $50. Since glossy looks to remain the default option, glossy supporters have little reason to complain.
Personally, I'm looking forward to a matte 15.4" Macbook Pro with ExpressCard, Clarksfield, and a 1GB GT240M.
Sorry but glossy is better than matte. You can get a cheap ($20) matte sheet to make a glossy screen matte but you cannot get ANY glossy sheet to make a matte screen brighter and more vibrant.
I would like to see Apple add a coupon for a matte screen with the computer paperwork. Neat idea. But given the real world options, the people with "I want a Mac that does.......( including screens, options, and super options (anti gravity, teleporting, running windows software(... opps we have that one. LOL )) hey, enjoy your dreams.
And remember, if Apple pisses you off enough, you can always buy a Dell. :-)
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Honestly, I think laptops can put up with glossy screens more so than desktop monitors. For the iMac and Apple Cinema Display to only come in glossy is a major slap in the face of all professionals that use them. I spent 10 days on an Apple Cinema Display 24" LED, and sent it back. I couldn't stand the glare. No matter where I put it there was always glare coming back to me to where I would start slouching in my chair (SteelCase Leap Ergonomic) and start hurting my back.
Working 12 hours a day isn't exactly healthy, I'm aware of that. I would always get minor pains. But with that apple display I was constantly fighting for position. Constantly squinting my eyes.
I know apple got a flood of outrage when they went all glossy. They kept shutting down and deleting threads on the apple discussion forums. It was pretty humorous for a few weeks.
Either way, apple really needs to address this... especially with their professional line up. They can keep glossy for all of the people that want it and want to kill their eyes for "shiny", but at the very least offer an option for the rest of us.
I prefer no-glare, but the easy-to-clean factor of the glass outweighs everything else for me. I compare cleaning my pre-glossy iMac to cleaning my parents' glossy iMac and I am always jealous!
Seriously, how often do you need to clean an lcd. Are you touching it, sneezing on it, and blowing dust all over it? I don't know about you but I look at an LCD a lot more than I clean it. My eyes comfort outweighs everything else for me.
Ouch! My wife bought a 13 inch MacBook about six months ago with no firewire and the glossy screen, both of which are problematic. I guess it will be eBay time when the next 13 inch pro comes out with a matte screen.
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac
Ouch! My wife bought a 13 inch MacBook about six months ago with no firewire and the glossy screen, both of which are problematic. I guess it will be eBay time when the next 13 inch pro comes out with a matte screen.
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
Honestly, I think laptops can put up with glossy screens more so than desktop monitors.
Surely the contrary - the laptop will go outside, where sunlight will form the most glare, but nobody places their computer monitor where sunlight will shine on it through a window, so the only glare options are in-room lighting and bright clothing. The former only requires a one-off adjustment if it is an issue. The user benefits from a the better picture that glossy displays have in good conditions.
The anti-glare museum glass looks like a good option though. You seriously can't see this stuff unless you are up close in a museum.
In the meantime, customers adverse to the glossy displays are left with only a couple of options. They can plunk down the extra change for a 17-inch MacBook Pro with the antiglare option, or send their glossy MacBook Pro to solutions provides like TechRestore, which offers a third-party matte screen replacement program for $200.
"GlareBook Pro?" their Web site chides. "We don?t think so."
$200 -- I don't think so.
I went with the $35 option and I am very happy.
Power Support Antiglare Film for MacBook and MacBook Air
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TR410LL/A
Its just like the ones they make for the iPhone but larger.
I would prefer Apple offered it BTO.
DOH! I recently bought the same machine, no FW, no matte screen, no Pro badge, more money! I am really happy with it and don't mind any of its short comings but within weeks I my shiny new purchase was relegated to the status of a museum piece. Life really sucks, sometimes.
In the MacWorld, patience is more than a virtue.
In all the Apple Stores there are cameras, the customers are video taped and the actions of the people in the store are analyzed and studied much like rats in a maze in some psychological experiment. This is Apple’s marketing secret, which only a few people like myself know about. It’s done under the guise of security naturally, that’s local, but all the video feeds are also sent to a central facility based in Texas for the marketing department to view.
Apple runs it’s stores just like any Las Vegas casino – they watch their customers to the point they can predict your behavior before you do. They know pretty much how you’re going to react based upon certain stimuli, they know the shopping experience is emotional and impulsive, that’s why the lust factor for Apple products and their prices, are so high. People naturally equate a higher price as a better product.
This would explain why Apple thinks "Our customers love glossy displays" as people naturally gravitate to shiny objects.
I've seen this occur in mixed high end art shops, the glassy baubles get all the attention.
So if Apple is going by their 'marketing research' from their stores, and ignoring the installed user base preferences need for anti-glare, would explain things and why they decided to make their screens even more glassy in the latest versions.
It would also explain the online polls from experienced users who prefer the anti-glare type screens.
I think Apple could do better than follow HP who has no experience in selling computers.
HP claims they introduced the more expensive glassy screens:
http://computershopper.com/shoptalk/...glossy-screens
Hmmm....
Hope this comes to pass. Then we can start whining about lack of Blu-ray!
Funny you say the glass screens are easy to clean. We have those glass things at work and every day I come in there's a layer of dust on them, this never happened when we had the matte LCD screens.
You mean you didn't notice it. The quickest way to clean a glossy computer screen? Turn it on and Voila! dust and fingerprints are rendered invisible.
Excellent news.
Hope this comes to pass. Then we can start whining about lack of Blu-ray!
Oh no - please no blueray. That bulky technology has no place in a laptop (in a desk-top I don't mind)
Personally, I'm looking forward to a matte 15.4" Macbook Pro with ExpressCard, Clarksfield, and a 1GB GT240M.
I would like to see Apple add a coupon for a matte screen with the computer paperwork. Neat idea. But given the real world options, the people with "I want a Mac that does.......( including screens, options, and super options (anti gravity, teleporting, running windows software(... opps we have that one. LOL )) hey, enjoy your dreams.
And remember, if Apple pisses you off enough, you can always buy a Dell. :-)
Just a thought.
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