Aqua Interface to be updated?

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in macOS edited January 2014
It seems the aqua interface was invented back in the days of b/w G3 and fruit flavored imacs.



I have always found the interface nice for consumer machines but too round and colorfull for professional use.



Since then the hardware design line has changed quite a bit to a much more sleek and minimalistic design. Is the Aqua interface due to an update too? In my opinion the interface could use some optimizations here and there.



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  • Reply 1 of 68
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Personally, I still like aqua, but could do without the stripes.



    Check out the <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/server"; target="_blank">Mac OS X Server</a> page. Look closely at the X on the box, it doesn't appear to be transparent, just very sleek and reflective.



    I hope this is the direction for future interface designs...







    [EDIT: Added image.]



    [ 11-28-2002: Message edited by: Spart ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 68
    Why would you think it's not transparent? It's on a white packground; so, you wouldn't be able to tell anyhow.



    By the way, several Aqua elements were recently changed with 10.2.
  • Reply 3 of 68
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    I liked Jaguar's aqua interface.



    But I do agreee with Spart, the stripes must go.
  • Reply 4 of 68
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    [quote]Originally posted by Brad:

    <strong>Why would you think it's not transparent? It's on a white packground; so, you wouldn't be able to tell anyhow.



    By the way, several Aqua elements were recently changed with 10.2.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I simply assume, it doesn't give the same obviously gel-tab appearance of the current aqua, more of a hardened quicksilver.



    We all know they were changed...very slightly. The feel of aqua really hasn't changed at all.



    And they only updated a few of the widgets....the scrollbars, menubar widgets and whatnot have been left untouched.
  • Reply 5 of 68
    [quote]It seems the aqua interface was invented back in the days of b/w G3 and fruit flavored imacs. <hr></blockquote>



    I completely agree. Regardless of how it's perceived as an OS interface, from a purely graphic design point of view it's really not up to date. I always thought Aqua would have gone just right with the orignal rounded Bondi blue iMacs/G3's and clamshell iBooks. That was how many years ago? A long time in graphic design years. By making Aqua have a "look" much stronger than the generic OS9, Apple has kind of put themselves in a position where they need to evolve Aqua to keep up with what is fresh in graphic design the same way they keep up with good industrial design.



    At least there are some decent themes around to use in the meantime.



    [ 11-28-2002: Message edited by: jw34 ]</p>
  • Reply 6 of 68
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>I liked Jaguar's aqua interface.



    But I do agreee with Spart, the stripes must go. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I actually ddon't mind the stripes.
  • Reply 7 of 68
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    aqua needs updated but not much. apple thought long and hard about their interface and i think they ended up with somethign worth the time they put into it. the stipes keep it from looking like blank space...without the stripes is ugly, i like the stripes. if you can find me a GUI that is better looking then show me, cuz i havn't found it. without stripes it looks so dull and plane...TOO plane, i think that the stripes could just be lightened





    -stipes minimized-



    -reg-



    [ 11-29-2002: Message edited by: ast3r3x ]</p>
  • Reply 8 of 68
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    [quote]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>I liked Jaguar's aqua interface.



    But I do agreee with Spart, the stripes must go. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    liked...you dont use it anymore?
  • Reply 9 of 68
    I like the true "pinstripe" look of the menubar and toolbars more than the more prevalent stripe pattern that's more at a 1:1 proportion. I'd lie to see those areas be more light gray with white pinstripes and leave the menubar and other such items with the white with gray pinstripe look.



    I'm sure that the look of Aqua will develop and transform quite a bit over the next several years. It will probably get more heavily modified in the long run than the behavior of the UI.
  • Reply 10 of 68
    I say slightly blue stripes instead of grey.

    Aqua should be more optimized.. And just sooo slow right now!



    Other than that, im happy..
  • Reply 11 of 68
    [quote]Originally posted by tonton:

    <strong>

    The stripes do work. The alternative looks blank, flat and, basically, crappy.

    </strong>

    <hr></blockquote>



    I have noticed that the stripes look rubbish in thousands of colours which seems like a major oversight.
  • Reply 12 of 68
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    I use SmoothStripes... it just removes all the pinstripes. I love it, the stripes are annoying. I agree that they make "blank" space look not so blank anymore - which is why I don't like them. If something's blank, it should not be visually distracting. IMO, the stripes are REALLY visually distracting.



    I used a theme called Rhapsodized for a while, and I really liked that one. But it was a bit too much gray for my tastes, it didn't go too well with a lot of applications.



    EDIT: Oh, both the above themes (neither of which have stripes) sped up the OS noticeably. If you have an older Mac running OS X, that's one thing you can do to speed it up... get a theme that removes the stripes (and preferably one that removes transparency as well).



    PS I think I just realized that SmoothStripes is so fast because it removes menubar transparency. So I would definitely recommend it to anyone using an older Mac.



    [ 11-29-2002: Message edited by: Luca Rescigno ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 68
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    Remove the stripes and you have a bland white expanse. If Aqua has it's stripes removed then they need to come up with a back ground that's less white ( bland ). I would find just white annoying and bland. A sort of unfinished look. Too simple.
  • Reply 14 of 68
    evoevo Posts: 198member
    [quote]Originally posted by jimmac:

    <strong>Remove the stripes and you have a bland white expanse. If Aqua has it's stripes removed then they need to come up with a back ground that's less white ( bland ). I would find just white annoying and bland. A sort of unfinished look. Too simple.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That's your opinion, but I disagree. I want my windows to look "bland", so they don't get in my way. A well designed GUI is one that is as unintrusive as possible. The pinstripes are very intrusive to me. I've been using the SmoothStripes theme with Duality for months now and I'm very happy with it. here is a sample:







    Call it boring and plain if you like, but I find it much easier to read and access information in windows than with useless stripes that try to make the GUI more pretty.
  • Reply 15 of 68
    *wipes tear from eye*

    eVo, that theme truly is a thing of beauty.
  • Reply 16 of 68
    well i know a lot of people have a great hate for the brushed steel look but Metallifizer from <a href="http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/metallifizer/"; target="_blank">unsanity</a> works for me: no pinstripe nonsense and no lollypop colour window buttons just a good clean and consistent interface



  • Reply 17 of 68
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Remember that OS 9 had pinstripes too, they just weren't ubiquitous. I wouldn't protest blank areas being, well, blank (white only). But I think the Classic logic of using pinstripes for "grabby" surfaces like title bars is a good one. I'd like to see that one screenshot of the "blank" theme with selective areas of pinstripes.
  • Reply 18 of 68
    quickquick Posts: 227member
    [quote]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>But I do agree with Spart, the stripes must go. </strong><hr></blockquote>

    I'm positive they will disappear in the not so distant future. Personally I do like the brushed metal look but there must be some alternative themes based on the purpose of use.



    I would suggest the following 4 themes.
    • Communication (Mail, Browser...)

    • Production (Photoshop, iMovie...)

    • Storage (iTunes, iPhoto, iDisk, FileMaker...)

    • System related (Finder, System Prefs...)

  • Reply 19 of 68
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    I agree with Quick that Apple may well develop more .nib "themes" but rather than being system-wise appearance changes, they will (just IMO of course) be tailored towards classes of applications, or classes of functions. Of course, to do that, they would probably have to improve on the metal UE guidelines first...
  • Reply 20 of 68
    quickquick Posts: 227member
    [quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:

    <strong>...Of course, to do that, they would probably have to improve on the metal UE guidelines first...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You're right. They are completely confusing. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

    <a href="http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIGWindows/Textured_Windows.html#CHDHHBGJ"; target="_blank">Aqua HI Guidelines/Windows/Textured Windows</a>



    [ 11-29-2002: Message edited by: Quick ]</p>
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