<strong>Will I need gnome or kde for it? (btw, what are they really, and how do I get them)</strong><hr></blockquote>
first, dont get kde, its disgusting.
second, gnome & kde are suites of apps and gui-related dealies that make gnu/linux more visual. they each have a window manager, and ea. has games and all kinds of crazy shit. many apps will depend on gnome or k libraries so they can have similar gui widgets [buttons, window decs, etc].
i dont think mozilla requires gnome or kde; but if it does, it prolly reqs gnome, b/c mozilla has been around for a while, and kde is a relatively recent addition to fink.
if ur goin with *nixy apps and x11 and stuff, you should definitely get fink [http://fink.sf.net]. you ask the prog to install something like xmms, mozilla or curl or something, and it chks for dependancies, downloads them, and then installs the shit. so you dont have to track down some library a hacker mentioned in the deep annals of his documentation. if you want fink to grab mozilla, do: `sudo fink install mozilla;`. it'll take care of everything.
[quote] Originally posted by drewprops:
<strong>Just one.
Tell us what it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
x11 is a gui for *nix. basically it allows *nixy apps to use a graphical interface.
<strong>Yes. Links and Lynx. </strong><hr></blockquote>
He wasn't asking about things he could run _Inside_ a terminal...
He said things that only require a Windows Manager... Which implies they actually require a Windows Manager... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Which really brings us all to an odd question...
Your major browsers you could have already run without X11... Major Linux Browsers being:
Netscape 4x
Mozilla
Nespace 6x/7x
other variant on the Geko engine, which Konqueror can be set to be (can use as it's rendering engine)
Opera
...
and...
then...
well, the list really starts to thin out...
An X11 native application isn't all that advised. You're usually at least using some platform, and thus better off programming for it (which then may link into X11 libraries for you...)
Again, we're talking about apps like Web Browsers and Word processors... And don't think things written only for X11 don't exist... they do... but you might not want to run them...
A Mac is so friendly and cuddly and pretty... I recommend that people don't go looking for things that run on a platform, but instead look for things that rock, and use that platform...
I'm a major Unix/Linux Advocate... don't get me wrong... I'm just having problems understanding why someone would just want X11, instead of the pretty MacOS X, or KDE, or Gnome...
One time I didn't have room to install KDE onto a laptop, so I got very familiar with Apps I wouldn't normally run, and promised I wouldn't ever again... yes, that memory is now locked in my mind, never to surface again... (D'OH!)
An X11 native application isn't all that advised. You're usually at least using some platform, and thus better off programming for it (which then may link into X11 libraries for you...)
Again, we're talking about apps like Web Browsers and Word processors... And don't think things written only for X11 don't exist... they do... but you might not want to run them...
A Mac is so friendly and cuddly and pretty... I recommend that people don't go looking for things that run on a platform, but instead look for things that rock, and use that platform...
I'm a major Unix/Linux Advocate... don't get me wrong... I'm just having problems understanding why someone would just want X11, instead of the pretty MacOS X, or KDE, or Gnome...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was asking for non-KDE, GNOME stuff because I don't have either installed. Everyone says KDE sucks, but GNOME looks hard to install
. I'd appreciate it if someone could help me instal GNOME
<strong>What is X11 exactly?</strong><hr></blockquote>It is a separate environment to run programs that uses the "X Windows" system. It is used on practically all unix and linux systems.
Why would someone want to use X11 on Mac OS X? Good question. A lot of people do it for the geek factor or simply "because we can". Others do it because they need to run *nix apps that haven't been properly ported to Mac OS X. If you have the source code to an X11 app, you can compile it and run it on your Mac in the X11 environment. The caveat to doing this is that the X11 environment is much like Classic. Its apps follow their own custom sets of rules, they don't integrate or "play nice" with other native apps, and they use a very different interface.
Comments
Tell us what it is.
[ 12-24-2002: Message edited by: drewprops ]</p>
There's a ready copy of it up on fink, last I recall.
<strong>Will I need gnome or kde for it? (btw, what are they really, and how do I get them)</strong><hr></blockquote>
first, dont get kde, its disgusting.
second, gnome & kde are suites of apps and gui-related dealies that make gnu/linux more visual. they each have a window manager, and ea. has games and all kinds of crazy shit. many apps will depend on gnome or k libraries so they can have similar gui widgets [buttons, window decs, etc].
i dont think mozilla requires gnome or kde; but if it does, it prolly reqs gnome, b/c mozilla has been around for a while, and kde is a relatively recent addition to fink.
if ur goin with *nixy apps and x11 and stuff, you should definitely get fink [http://fink.sf.net]. you ask the prog to install something like xmms, mozilla or curl or something, and it chks for dependancies, downloads them, and then installs the shit. so you dont have to track down some library a hacker mentioned in the deep annals of his documentation. if you want fink to grab mozilla, do: `sudo fink install mozilla;`. it'll take care of everything.
[quote] Originally posted by drewprops:
<strong>Just one.
Tell us what it is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
x11 is a gui for *nix. basically it allows *nixy apps to use a graphical interface.
It does not need gnome or kde.
<strong>Mozilla.
There's a ready copy of it up on fink, last I recall.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Indeed, but that's 1.1, and 1.1 suckz
<strong>Yes. Links and Lynx.
He wasn't asking about things he could run _Inside_ a terminal...
He said things that only require a Windows Manager... Which implies they actually require a Windows Manager... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Which really brings us all to an odd question...
Your major browsers you could have already run without X11... Major Linux Browsers being:
Netscape 4x
Mozilla
Nespace 6x/7x
other variant on the Geko engine, which Konqueror can be set to be (can use as it's rendering engine)
Opera
...
and...
then...
well, the list really starts to thin out...
An X11 native application isn't all that advised. You're usually at least using some platform, and thus better off programming for it (which then may link into X11 libraries for you...)
Again, we're talking about apps like Web Browsers and Word processors... And don't think things written only for X11 don't exist... they do... but you might not want to run them...
A Mac is so friendly and cuddly and pretty... I recommend that people don't go looking for things that run on a platform, but instead look for things that rock, and use that platform...
I'm a major Unix/Linux Advocate... don't get me wrong... I'm just having problems understanding why someone would just want X11, instead of the pretty MacOS X, or KDE, or Gnome...
One time I didn't have room to install KDE onto a laptop, so I got very familiar with Apps I wouldn't normally run, and promised I wouldn't ever again... yes, that memory is now locked in my mind, never to surface again... (D'OH!)
[ 12-26-2002: Message edited by: greg123 ]</p>
<strong>
An X11 native application isn't all that advised. You're usually at least using some platform, and thus better off programming for it (which then may link into X11 libraries for you...)
Again, we're talking about apps like Web Browsers and Word processors... And don't think things written only for X11 don't exist... they do... but you might not want to run them...
A Mac is so friendly and cuddly and pretty... I recommend that people don't go looking for things that run on a platform, but instead look for things that rock, and use that platform...
I'm a major Unix/Linux Advocate... don't get me wrong... I'm just having problems understanding why someone would just want X11, instead of the pretty MacOS X, or KDE, or Gnome...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was asking for non-KDE, GNOME stuff because I don't have either installed. Everyone says KDE sucks, but GNOME looks hard to install
<strong>What is X11 exactly?</strong><hr></blockquote>It is a separate environment to run programs that uses the "X Windows" system. It is used on practically all unix and linux systems.
Why would someone want to use X11 on Mac OS X? Good question. A lot of people do it for the geek factor or simply "because we can". Others do it because they need to run *nix apps that haven't been properly ported to Mac OS X. If you have the source code to an X11 app, you can compile it and run it on your Mac in the X11 environment. The caveat to doing this is that the X11 environment is much like Classic. Its apps follow their own custom sets of rules, they don't integrate or "play nice" with other native apps, and they use a very different interface.
But after using YDL 2.3, I think I'm in love with KDE 3.
Barto
A lot of people do it for the geek factor or simply "because we can".[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
exactly.