search engine, come portal, come various sub par services, come ms target (boy ms does know how to pick targets...), come nothing.
btw, off topic, really classy response by the mods here unlike other places, no names. Gives the poster a chance to rectify his behaviour and if he or she don't do so then intervenes. All internet forums could use such light handed, classy interventions.
Thank you for explaining. I was wondering how I've deleted other posts in the past.
I prefer to give people a chance to rectify their errors, as long as it isn't going too far off, otherwise, I will delete it. I still will if a response is forthcoming soon enough.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
Actually, the store does have problems. There are so many apps being submitted that it's difficult to know what all those reviewers are doing. This is too dependent on some reviewer deciding on their own that an app should be rejected, or not rejected.
Thats one reason why some of those rejections get reversed.
Apple must simplify their rules so that they can't be interpreted differently by different people reviewing apps, and also so that developers reading them know EXACTLY what they can, and can't do.
That doesn't seem to be the situation now, and I wonder if that's intentional on Apple's part.
Based on what we have seen in the last few days, most of the issues were caused by the developer.
And if they had read their SDK agreement they would have realized that the guidelines are really quite clear.
It seems apparent to me, having read and reread the guidelines each time I download an update, that most of the developers who are being rejected or their submission is being delayed aren't doing likewise.
It also seems that since Apple opened up the SDK and loosened up on NDA, some are not bothering to read it at all.
Having attended an Apple iPhone developer program, I can attest to Apple's commitment to uncompromising support in assisting developers in getting their apps to market.
This is what happens when people start piling on. All developers start to get a chip on their shoulder and feel like they have been wronged even before anything bad happens to them. They start to expect Apple to screw them over somehow. Then, at the least provocation, they point the finger and blame Apple for a none existent problem. The evil Apple empire is just the latest meme.
This was my first thought also. The reason this person over-reacted, is because the tech media has created an aura of blame around Apple, the app store, and the approval process.
By constantly publishing these "irate developer gets rejected" stories and passing them around, the perception is created that there is a systemic problem when if you look closer, there really isn't. Then the first time anything goes wrong, people leap to conclusions based on everything they've been reading over the last little while.
It's no different from blaming things on "women" (as someone has done in this very thread), based on an erroneous perception of women "typically" being a certain way.
Virtually every developer rejection story has turned out to have a rational explanation at the end of the day. If the tech press is not going to give as much coverage to the resolution of these problems as they are to advertising the problems itself, then they shouldn't be covering the story at all.
It would also be nice to get a historical article once in a while, that goes through the recent record and corrects or clarifies things for those people who have short memories and even shorter tempers.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
I am not a moderator here, but I've moderated other forums and I can tell that you've obviously never moderated a forum yourself.
There is a value to getting the OP to recognise that they posted something in bad taste. There is also a value in highlighting exactly the kind of thing that *is* in bad taste for the rest of the subscribers.
Censorship, in the way of direct deletion of comments is always the *last* step to take, and it's better to not censor at all than it is to just randomly delete stuff that you don't like. The whole purpose of a forum is debate.
You don't moderate children's behaviour by smacking them in the back of the head out of nowhere without giving them some guidelines and at least one warning first.
You don't moderate children's behaviour by smacking them in the back of the head out of nowhere without giving them some guidelines and at least one warning first.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
I'm not trying to create any drama, as you have just done.
But I don't see every post on every thread, and so can't comment on them.
I just got back, and as it hasn't been changed, I am going to delete it as I sad I would after some time.
Based on what we have seen in the last few days, most of the issues were caused by the developer.
And if they had read their SDK agreement they would have realized that the guidelines are really quite clear.
It seems apparent to me, having read and reread the guidelines each time I download an update, that most of the developers who are being rejected or their submission is being delayed aren't doing likewise.
It also seems that since Apple opened up the SDK and loosened up on NDA, some are not bothering to read it at all.
Having attended an Apple iPhone developer program, I can attest to Apple's commitment to uncompromising support in assisting developers in getting their apps to market.
I've read their guidelines as well, and they leave Apple a wide degree of discretion. Apple doesn't always apply the guidelines equally either. There have always been questions as to why Apple allows some apps, but then rejects others that are less objectionable than the ones they have allowed.
Then we have seen apps in the store for weeks or even a couple of months which are abruptly removed.
Obviously, the guidelines are moving.
But then, even worse, is why Apple can have apps that link to pornography, but third party developers can't, or must have them listed as adult, or why one single word can get an app removed, even though that word is in other apps, such as the dictionary ruckus
I don't see the phone as being any different than the computer. If Apple decides to make all apps go through them, then they have to decide that they will allow anything that isn't malicious. This variable censorship may go down well with the Disney crowd, but it gets everyone else upset, as it should.
This makes no sense to me.
We should also know why some apps that may compete with AT%T services are not allowed, or are removed. Is this a contractual matter? If so, we should know where the determining factor is.
I've read their guidelines as well, and they leave Apple a wide degree of discretion. Apple doesn't always apply the guidelines equally either. There have always been questions as to why Apple allows some apps, but then rejects others that are less objectionable than the ones they have allowed.
Then we have seen apps in the store for weeks or even a couple of months which are abruptly removed.
Obviously, the guidelines are moving.
But then, even worse, is why Apple can have apps that link to pornography, but third party developers can't, or must have them listed as adult, or why one single word can get an app removed, even though that word is in other apps, such as the dictionary ruckus
I don't see the phone as being any different than the computer. If Apple decides to make all apps go through them, then they have to decide that they will allow anything that isn't malicious. This variable censorship may go down well with the Disney crowd, but it gets everyone else upset, as it should.
This makes no sense to me.
We should also know why some apps that may compete with AT%T services are not allowed, or are removed. Is this a contractual matter? If so, we should know where the determining factor is.
Mel, the guidelines are not moving. There has been a couple of major changes with the increased functionality of 3.0, but the overall iPhone app SDK guidelines are quite consistent with Apples corporate policies from the beginning.
As many are now witnessing, most and that is nearly all of the so-called disenchanted developers have admitted that much of the issues were their undoing. "Didn't understand" is like going to court and telling the judge that you weren't familiar with the crime that you were charge for. It just doesn't fly. This is especially true, considering that the tens of thousands of other developers that submitted over 65,000 apps and were approved well understood what the rules were.
We have had two WWDC conferences and a number of iPhone Developer Events in the US, Canada and overseas as well. Having met a few of the 15,000 or so attendees, I can't recall hearing of any who were upset with the process.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
Damn this world for some progress we now have our tension levels so wound tight we could shoot diamonds out our rears.
I didn't see the tensions as being so high. If I didn't write anything at all, a couple would have written some remarks about the post, as they did, and likely no one would have thought anything more about it.
If the post was more direct, I would have deleted it right away. You've surely seen how I edit, and sometimes delete posts when excessively foal language is used. I'm actually more sensitive about these things than some other mods. But I have to make a decision, as I don't like to censor.
If we censored everything that seems slightly off base, every thread would have at least a half dozen deletions. I don't think anyone wants that.
People have to be allowed to let off some steam, but some things should not be said. In that case, as long as it isn't actually well out of bounds, I like to give people a chance to fix it themselves, and they usually do.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
This is the problem with the Mac community today. Any criticism of Apple, and you are a 'trolling misfit' and a plague on these forums.
Apple is not perfect. Criticism of them, their products and their policies has result in them improving. There absolutely are anti-Apple haters trolling. It is too bad that some of the 'righteous defenders' of Apple's honour are not able to tell the difference. Criticize The Company and you are a heretic, a hater, a troll or a plague.
In the old days, being called a Mac Zealot was humorous...sort of a badge of honour for those 'in the club'. These days it really has degraded into a pseudo-religion, with the new zealots being frighteningly similar to any other religious nut.
Mel, the guidelines are not moving. There has been a couple of major changes with the increased functionality of 3.0, but the overall iPhone app SDK guidelines are quite consistent with Apples corporate policies from the beginning.
As many are now witnessing, most and that is nearly all of the so-called disenchanted developers have admitted that much of the issues were their undoing. "Didn't understand" is like going to court and telling the judge that you weren't familiar with the crime that you were charge for. It just doesn't fly. This is especially true, considering that the tens of thousands of other developers that submitted over 65,000 apps and were approved well understood what the rules were.
We have had two WWDC conferences and a number of iPhone Developer Events in the US, Canada and overseas as well. Having met a few of the 15,000 or so attendees, I can't recall hearing of any who were upset with the process.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
When I said the guidelines are moving, I mean that the interpretation of them is moving, and so they are. I've kept up with this problem, and I can see it.
Perhaps I shouldn't have said that "everyone" is upset about this, but a large number of people are, both developers AND users.
Actually, politics is always involved here. If a developer would like to remain within the good graces of Apple, I would expect them to try and be conciliatory. Well, yeah!
Many of us remember when Apple dropped ATI as a supplier at the last minute, which cost ATI big bucks, and cost Apple too, but ATI made a little mistake of mentioning a product.
ATI was a big company, and the biggest board supplier to Apple.
Do you think that some small developer would want to buck Apple? Even Google? I don't. They would live in fear of ever having another app approved. I'm not saying that Apple (or Steve) would do that, but as they say; "Your reputation preceeds you", and Apple's got a big reputation there.
Oh, and I'm not a troll. While my daughter sometimes thinks of me as being a misfit, I don't really think I am, just a bit misshapen, perhaps. But I do fit.
This is the problem with the Mac community today. Any criticism of Apple, and you are a 'trolling misfit' and a plague on these forums.
Apple is not perfect. Criticism of them, their products and their policies has result in them improving. There absolutely are anti-Apple haters trolling. It is too bad that some of the 'righteous defenders' of Apple's honour are not able to tell the difference. Criticize The Company and you are a heretic, a hater, a troll or a plague.
In the old days, being called a Mac Zealot was humorous...sort of a badge of honour for those 'in the club'. These days it really has degraded into a pseudo-religion, with the new zealots being frighteningly similar to any other religious nut.
My app updates have consistently taken 7 days+- 1 day, until the 3GS launch in June, where they were delayed for over a month. It was back to normal, until recently, when they are taking slightly longer again. My point is, all iPhone developers know that approval time is inconsistent. Does Yahoo think that because they're a huge company they should be on some exclusive fast track?
It is typical of women to accuse first and say "I am sorry later".
It's like your girlfriend accusing you of cheating, before asking where you were.
Why do all these companies feel like Apple owe them something? Apple is not a public utility company. And iPhone is not a life necessity like water or electricity. Get your high horses and stop complaining.
cut the sexism remarks, does not matter if it was a man or woman, who made the remarks. I love APPLE, but there approval process does suck at times and if people do not complain in the appropriate manner, nothing will get improved.
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or, it is possible that Yahoo is thinking ahead to put some pressure on apple to make sure it does get approved.
search engine, come portal, come various sub par services, come ms target (boy ms does know how to pick targets...), come nothing.
btw, off topic, really classy response by the mods here unlike other places, no names. Gives the poster a chance to rectify his behaviour and if he or she don't do so then intervenes. All internet forums could use such light handed, classy interventions.
Thank you for explaining. I was wondering how I've deleted other posts in the past.
I prefer to give people a chance to rectify their errors, as long as it isn't going too far off, otherwise, I will delete it. I still will if a response is forthcoming soon enough.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
Actually, the store does have problems. There are so many apps being submitted that it's difficult to know what all those reviewers are doing. This is too dependent on some reviewer deciding on their own that an app should be rejected, or not rejected.
Thats one reason why some of those rejections get reversed.
Apple must simplify their rules so that they can't be interpreted differently by different people reviewing apps, and also so that developers reading them know EXACTLY what they can, and can't do.
That doesn't seem to be the situation now, and I wonder if that's intentional on Apple's part.
Based on what we have seen in the last few days, most of the issues were caused by the developer.
And if they had read their SDK agreement they would have realized that the guidelines are really quite clear.
It seems apparent to me, having read and reread the guidelines each time I download an update, that most of the developers who are being rejected or their submission is being delayed aren't doing likewise.
It also seems that since Apple opened up the SDK and loosened up on NDA, some are not bothering to read it at all.
Having attended an Apple iPhone developer program, I can attest to Apple's commitment to uncompromising support in assisting developers in getting their apps to market.
This is what happens when people start piling on. All developers start to get a chip on their shoulder and feel like they have been wronged even before anything bad happens to them. They start to expect Apple to screw them over somehow. Then, at the least provocation, they point the finger and blame Apple for a none existent problem. The evil Apple empire is just the latest meme.
This was my first thought also. The reason this person over-reacted, is because the tech media has created an aura of blame around Apple, the app store, and the approval process.
By constantly publishing these "irate developer gets rejected" stories and passing them around, the perception is created that there is a systemic problem when if you look closer, there really isn't. Then the first time anything goes wrong, people leap to conclusions based on everything they've been reading over the last little while.
It's no different from blaming things on "women" (as someone has done in this very thread), based on an erroneous perception of women "typically" being a certain way.
Virtually every developer rejection story has turned out to have a rational explanation at the end of the day. If the tech press is not going to give as much coverage to the resolution of these problems as they are to advertising the problems itself, then they shouldn't be covering the story at all.
It would also be nice to get a historical article once in a while, that goes through the recent record and corrects or clarifies things for those people who have short memories and even shorter tempers.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
I am not a moderator here, but I've moderated other forums and I can tell that you've obviously never moderated a forum yourself.
There is a value to getting the OP to recognise that they posted something in bad taste. There is also a value in highlighting exactly the kind of thing that *is* in bad taste for the rest of the subscribers.
Censorship, in the way of direct deletion of comments is always the *last* step to take, and it's better to not censor at all than it is to just randomly delete stuff that you don't like. The whole purpose of a forum is debate.
You don't moderate children's behaviour by smacking them in the back of the head out of nowhere without giving them some guidelines and at least one warning first.
You don't moderate children's behaviour by smacking them in the back of the head out of nowhere without giving them some guidelines and at least one warning first.
The guidelines are well posted.
A warning was given.
The offending blog is still there.
Enough time. Enough said. Enough already.
Just delete it.
B.S., what you are doing is creating drama by commenting on the poor taste of the post, rather than simply deleting it. There are stupid, incendiary comments posted on this site on a regular basis.
I'm not trying to create any drama, as you have just done.
But I don't see every post on every thread, and so can't comment on them.
I just got back, and as it hasn't been changed, I am going to delete it as I sad I would after some time.
Based on what we have seen in the last few days, most of the issues were caused by the developer.
And if they had read their SDK agreement they would have realized that the guidelines are really quite clear.
It seems apparent to me, having read and reread the guidelines each time I download an update, that most of the developers who are being rejected or their submission is being delayed aren't doing likewise.
It also seems that since Apple opened up the SDK and loosened up on NDA, some are not bothering to read it at all.
Having attended an Apple iPhone developer program, I can attest to Apple's commitment to uncompromising support in assisting developers in getting their apps to market.
I've read their guidelines as well, and they leave Apple a wide degree of discretion. Apple doesn't always apply the guidelines equally either. There have always been questions as to why Apple allows some apps, but then rejects others that are less objectionable than the ones they have allowed.
Then we have seen apps in the store for weeks or even a couple of months which are abruptly removed.
Obviously, the guidelines are moving.
But then, even worse, is why Apple can have apps that link to pornography, but third party developers can't, or must have them listed as adult, or why one single word can get an app removed, even though that word is in other apps, such as the dictionary ruckus
I don't see the phone as being any different than the computer. If Apple decides to make all apps go through them, then they have to decide that they will allow anything that isn't malicious. This variable censorship may go down well with the Disney crowd, but it gets everyone else upset, as it should.
This makes no sense to me.
We should also know why some apps that may compete with AT%T services are not allowed, or are removed. Is this a contractual matter? If so, we should know where the determining factor is.
The guidelines are well posted.
A warning was given.
The offending blog is still there.
Enough time. Enough said. Enough already.
Just delete it.
I did. I'm allowed to have dinner with my wife, yes?
I'm not trying to create any drama, as you have just done.
But I don't see every post on every thread, and so can't comment on them.
I just got back, and as it hasn't been changed, I am going to delete it as I sad I would after some time.
Talk to the hand both of you.
Damn this world for some progress we now have our tension levels so wound tight we could shoot diamonds out our rears.
I did. I'm allowed to have dinner with my wife, yes?
Absolutely. Thank you
I've read their guidelines as well, and they leave Apple a wide degree of discretion. Apple doesn't always apply the guidelines equally either. There have always been questions as to why Apple allows some apps, but then rejects others that are less objectionable than the ones they have allowed.
Then we have seen apps in the store for weeks or even a couple of months which are abruptly removed.
Obviously, the guidelines are moving.
But then, even worse, is why Apple can have apps that link to pornography, but third party developers can't, or must have them listed as adult, or why one single word can get an app removed, even though that word is in other apps, such as the dictionary ruckus
I don't see the phone as being any different than the computer. If Apple decides to make all apps go through them, then they have to decide that they will allow anything that isn't malicious. This variable censorship may go down well with the Disney crowd, but it gets everyone else upset, as it should.
This makes no sense to me.
We should also know why some apps that may compete with AT%T services are not allowed, or are removed. Is this a contractual matter? If so, we should know where the determining factor is.
Mel, the guidelines are not moving. There has been a couple of major changes with the increased functionality of 3.0, but the overall iPhone app SDK guidelines are quite consistent with Apples corporate policies from the beginning.
As many are now witnessing, most and that is nearly all of the so-called disenchanted developers have admitted that much of the issues were their undoing. "Didn't understand" is like going to court and telling the judge that you weren't familiar with the crime that you were charge for. It just doesn't fly. This is especially true, considering that the tens of thousands of other developers that submitted over 65,000 apps and were approved well understood what the rules were.
We have had two WWDC conferences and a number of iPhone Developer Events in the US, Canada and overseas as well. Having met a few of the 15,000 or so attendees, I can't recall hearing of any who were upset with the process.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
Talk to the hand both of you.
Damn this world for some progress we now have our tension levels so wound tight we could shoot diamonds out our rears.
I didn't see the tensions as being so high. If I didn't write anything at all, a couple would have written some remarks about the post, as they did, and likely no one would have thought anything more about it.
If the post was more direct, I would have deleted it right away. You've surely seen how I edit, and sometimes delete posts when excessively foal language is used. I'm actually more sensitive about these things than some other mods. But I have to make a decision, as I don't like to censor.
If we censored everything that seems slightly off base, every thread would have at least a half dozen deletions. I don't think anyone wants that.
People have to be allowed to let off some steam, but some things should not be said. In that case, as long as it isn't actually well out of bounds, I like to give people a chance to fix it themselves, and they usually do.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
This is the problem with the Mac community today. Any criticism of Apple, and you are a 'trolling misfit' and a plague on these forums.
Apple is not perfect. Criticism of them, their products and their policies has result in them improving. There absolutely are anti-Apple haters trolling. It is too bad that some of the 'righteous defenders' of Apple's honour are not able to tell the difference. Criticize The Company and you are a heretic, a hater, a troll or a plague.
In the old days, being called a Mac Zealot was humorous...sort of a badge of honour for those 'in the club'. These days it really has degraded into a pseudo-religion, with the new zealots being frighteningly similar to any other religious nut.
Mel, the guidelines are not moving. There has been a couple of major changes with the increased functionality of 3.0, but the overall iPhone app SDK guidelines are quite consistent with Apples corporate policies from the beginning.
As many are now witnessing, most and that is nearly all of the so-called disenchanted developers have admitted that much of the issues were their undoing. "Didn't understand" is like going to court and telling the judge that you weren't familiar with the crime that you were charge for. It just doesn't fly. This is especially true, considering that the tens of thousands of other developers that submitted over 65,000 apps and were approved well understood what the rules were.
We have had two WWDC conferences and a number of iPhone Developer Events in the US, Canada and overseas as well. Having met a few of the 15,000 or so attendees, I can't recall hearing of any who were upset with the process.
Again, 65 thousand apps, over a 100 million downloads by millions of users vs a handful of rejected/delayed apps, by a like number of developers and the constant anti-Apple rhetoric by the same group of trolling misfits that plague these forums, does not gets everyone else upset.
When I said the guidelines are moving, I mean that the interpretation of them is moving, and so they are. I've kept up with this problem, and I can see it.
Perhaps I shouldn't have said that "everyone" is upset about this, but a large number of people are, both developers AND users.
Actually, politics is always involved here. If a developer would like to remain within the good graces of Apple, I would expect them to try and be conciliatory. Well, yeah!
Many of us remember when Apple dropped ATI as a supplier at the last minute, which cost ATI big bucks, and cost Apple too, but ATI made a little mistake of mentioning a product.
ATI was a big company, and the biggest board supplier to Apple.
Do you think that some small developer would want to buck Apple? Even Google? I don't. They would live in fear of ever having another app approved. I'm not saying that Apple (or Steve) would do that, but as they say; "Your reputation preceeds you", and Apple's got a big reputation there.
Oh, and I'm not a troll. While my daughter sometimes thinks of me as being a misfit, I don't really think I am, just a bit misshapen, perhaps. But I do fit.
This is the problem with the Mac community today. Any criticism of Apple, and you are a 'trolling misfit' and a plague on these forums.
Apple is not perfect. Criticism of them, their products and their policies has result in them improving. There absolutely are anti-Apple haters trolling. It is too bad that some of the 'righteous defenders' of Apple's honour are not able to tell the difference. Criticize The Company and you are a heretic, a hater, a troll or a plague.
In the old days, being called a Mac Zealot was humorous...sort of a badge of honour for those 'in the club'. These days it really has degraded into a pseudo-religion, with the new zealots being frighteningly similar to any other religious nut.
"But, you know what? It?s a crock of sh-t!"*
*Mark Sigal. APPLE is EVIL, You're All Fanboys and other half-truths. http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/08/app...ll-fanboy.html
It is typical of women to accuse first and say "I am sorry later".
It's like your girlfriend accusing you of cheating, before asking where you were.
Still working on issues surrounding irrational fears of castration, I see.
It is typical of women to accuse first and say "I am sorry later".
It's like your girlfriend accusing you of cheating, before asking where you were.
Why do all these companies feel like Apple owe them something? Apple is not a public utility company. And iPhone is not a life necessity like water or electricity. Get your high horses and stop complaining.
cut the sexism remarks, does not matter if it was a man or woman, who made the remarks. I love APPLE, but there approval process does suck at times and if people do not complain in the appropriate manner, nothing will get improved.
Unfortunate this Yahoo employee jumped the gun.