Esp. the part where they guess about the motives by Intego... make people think Mac OS X is just as insecure as Microshit and they won't switch. 99.99% better isn't perfect, as we all know, but if you can sow just a little doubt and fear you'll keep people shelling out $39.99/yr for an AV subscription.
And why would Intego want people not to switch when they don't do Windows-only software?
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
That explains Halvri but it doesn't explain why you are a tool.
According to Macworld's Podcast #168, the number of Malware definitions Snow Leopard currently protects against: 2
The trojans are kept in a Preferences file called XProtect.plist. There really aren't a lot though it's hard to change the change of the trojan but it'll be annoying if Software Updater has me okay an update for this list every few days.
Note: We can't say that SL is protecting us from those files as it doesn't remove them. At point I think 'informs' is the most appropraite term.
If you honestly believe your first sentence, then you have absolutely no business owning a Macintosh computer. Not having to worry about viruses is certainly nice, but there are numerous other things that make the Mac experience what it is today. Just a few examples:
1) Built-in software that is functional and fun to use with shared libraries to ease workflow, not forty thousand two week trials of nothing bloatware.
2) Service that doesn't require speaking to four different companies to fix even the simplest of problems.
3) An operating system employing intuitive design and good looks that doesn't require one to add everything on in pieces (such as data back-up and language packs) or else upgrade to an even more expensive version. An operating system, that along with the iLife suite, comes on ever Mac top to bottom, so that one doesn't have to decide on software differences on top of hardware options.
4) Hardware that is the definition of form complimenting function (and is gorgeous to look at). I can't even begin to explain how many high end Windows notebooks sacrifice battery life for power (a quad core lap-top is worthless if it can't even hold a two hour charge) and think its acceptable to have a body several inches thick or how many Windows all-in-ones that have piss poor video cards joined together with a small amount of soldered on RAM and sometimes a completely pointless touch screen.
5) Amazing integration and ease of use between both first and third party accessories and all of the improved productivity and lack of stress inherent to that system.
If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure.
I appreciate all the good things you have listed about Apple and Macs (good list).
It is the core function of an OS to be in charge and security is a defining function of any OS. To mis-quote Bertrand Serlet: "No user should ever have to know anything about that".
If we need anti-virus, then the OS is unfit for purpose, like a beautiful car without brakes. It is only because Microsoft is everywhere that anyone thinks such things are normal. I believe that Apple know this and do a good job, but it concerns me that a momentum of AV-use could build among users that could cause Apple to take their eye off the ball.
Only days before the launch of Apple's upcoming operating system upgrade, Snow Leopard, numerous online reports have alleged that the final build includes an anti-malware feature.
Apple's advertisements often boast that their systems are virus-free. While Mac OS X has had a number of widely reported vulnerabilities, despite being well-publicized, they never amounted to much.
Still, in this latest move, if true, it would appear that Apple is not taking its chances, and will provide users with a system that scans files for potential malware. In a screenshot that has been widely circulated, originating from the intego Mac Security Blog, Snow Leopard is shown to recommend that a .DMG file be moved to the trash. The OS claims that the file includes "OSX.RSPlug.A" malware.
That Trojan horse, which was discovered in 2007, runs on OS X and changes the system's DNS settings. It is easily removed and does little damage.
Writing for ZDNet's Zero Day security blog, Ryan Naraine states that Apple is not using the open source ClamAV engine. He believes Apple may have contracted with a third-party antivirus company for the reported new Snow Leopard feature.
If true, the anti-malware inclusion in Snow Leopard would mean that both Apple and Microsoft will soon officially offer some sort of free system-wide protection for their respective operating systems. Microsoft's "Morro" is expected sometime this year.
Late last year, some noticed that Apple began encouraging the use of antivirus for Mac OS X, though the company later removed that support note.
I believe that there's a TYPO in this page: It's "ClamXav", not "ClamAV", and I have been using it successfully for years now, on multiple Macs of mine.
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
Yes I'm serious, there are, after all, reasons that people buy one kind of computer over another. I believe in the core reasons for owning a Mac in much the same way the my roommate believes in the core philosophy of Windows. If you don't understand the benefits of what you're buying, then you shouldn't be buying it and if you are so jaded that you think everything in the world is equal, then there's really no helping you. And none of that is from Apple's website, it's from personal experience.
And I'm glad you think I'm a robot, cause I think your tag alone tells me that you're an immature little kid (whose likely 35 years old or so) that only comes to these forums to start shit with other people cause you have nothing better to do.
I have plenty of complaints about some of the stuff that Apple does, but that doesn't mean I come to these forums just to talk about them. I also think that the next time you respond to me, you should elaborate on your "obscene lack of knowledge" and "another idiot statement" comments so that I can reply in kind or else you're adding nothing to the conversation.
And no, people like me are not what makes others think we're tools. You can usually find those people on other threads in this forum acting like owning a Mac is an extension to their penises and saying things like "PCs are teh suckz, Macs gets no viruses and pwns PCs in da faze" to a Windows fanboi who is literally mind boggled by the idea that people who simply and pointedly defend a company don't necessarily worship its every move.
Here's a list of things that piss me off about Macs if that will make you feel better:
1) Screens: I love the gloss but plenty of people absolutely hate it and there's no reason it shouldn't be a free option on all of the devices.
2) Advertising: I'm sick and tired of the Mac vs Pc commercials acting like the only thing they can talk about is viruses and crashes, the former of which makes it seem like it's the only reason to buy a Mac and the latter of which rarely happens on either side anymore. I wish Apple's marketing team would realize Microsoft isn't on Windows XP anymore.
3) Polycarbonate MacBook: I think it's a complete piece of shit. It cracks too much, it overheats too much and the price is, in my opinion, about $100 too high. Maybe the refresh AI reported will change my mind, but I'm skeptical until I see it.
4) Nvidia: Apple should never have partnered with them. They put out second rate video cards with numerous quality control issues and then try to demand more from every company they work with after the contract has been signed (Microsoft and Nintendo skipped over them for their game consoles for just that reason).
5) iPhone: I think Apple should enable better multitasking on the phone. At the same time, though, I own a Palm Pre and if you open more than two applications at once and don't turn the backlight way down, the battery dies insanely fast, so I can kinda understand why it doesn't.
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I call bullshit and will be more than happy to eat a big stinking pile of crow on Friday.
Rixstep, as usual, is right on.
http://rixstep.com/2/20090826,00.shtml
Esp. the part where they guess about the motives by Intego... make people think Mac OS X is just as insecure as Microshit and they won't switch. 99.99% better isn't perfect, as we all know, but if you can sow just a little doubt and fear you'll keep people shelling out $39.99/yr for an AV subscription.
And why would Intego want people not to switch when they don't do Windows-only software?
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
Lol.
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
That explains Halvri but it doesn't explain why you are a tool.
According to Macworld's Podcast #168, the number of Malware definitions Snow Leopard currently protects against: 2
The trojans are kept in a Preferences file called XProtect.plist. There really aren't a lot though it's hard to change the change of the trojan but it'll be annoying if Software Updater has me okay an update for this list every few days.
Note: We can't say that SL is protecting us from those files as it doesn't remove them. At point I think 'informs' is the most appropraite term.
If you honestly believe your first sentence, then you have absolutely no business owning a Macintosh computer. Not having to worry about viruses is certainly nice, but there are numerous other things that make the Mac experience what it is today. Just a few examples:
1) Built-in software that is functional and fun to use with shared libraries to ease workflow, not forty thousand two week trials of nothing bloatware.
2) Service that doesn't require speaking to four different companies to fix even the simplest of problems.
3) An operating system employing intuitive design and good looks that doesn't require one to add everything on in pieces (such as data back-up and language packs) or else upgrade to an even more expensive version. An operating system, that along with the iLife suite, comes on ever Mac top to bottom, so that one doesn't have to decide on software differences on top of hardware options.
4) Hardware that is the definition of form complimenting function (and is gorgeous to look at). I can't even begin to explain how many high end Windows notebooks sacrifice battery life for power (a quad core lap-top is worthless if it can't even hold a two hour charge) and think its acceptable to have a body several inches thick or how many Windows all-in-ones that have piss poor video cards joined together with a small amount of soldered on RAM and sometimes a completely pointless touch screen.
5) Amazing integration and ease of use between both first and third party accessories and all of the improved productivity and lack of stress inherent to that system.
If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure.
I appreciate all the good things you have listed about Apple and Macs (good list).
It is the core function of an OS to be in charge and security is a defining function of any OS. To mis-quote Bertrand Serlet: "No user should ever have to know anything about that".
If we need anti-virus, then the OS is unfit for purpose, like a beautiful car without brakes. It is only because Microsoft is everywhere that anyone thinks such things are normal. I believe that Apple know this and do a good job, but it concerns me that a momentum of AV-use could build among users that could cause Apple to take their eye off the ball.
Only days before the launch of Apple's upcoming operating system upgrade, Snow Leopard, numerous online reports have alleged that the final build includes an anti-malware feature.
Apple's advertisements often boast that their systems are virus-free. While Mac OS X has had a number of widely reported vulnerabilities, despite being well-publicized, they never amounted to much.
Still, in this latest move, if true, it would appear that Apple is not taking its chances, and will provide users with a system that scans files for potential malware. In a screenshot that has been widely circulated, originating from the intego Mac Security Blog, Snow Leopard is shown to recommend that a .DMG file be moved to the trash. The OS claims that the file includes "OSX.RSPlug.A" malware.
That Trojan horse, which was discovered in 2007, runs on OS X and changes the system's DNS settings. It is easily removed and does little damage.
Writing for ZDNet's Zero Day security blog, Ryan Naraine states that Apple is not using the open source ClamAV engine. He believes Apple may have contracted with a third-party antivirus company for the reported new Snow Leopard feature.
If true, the anti-malware inclusion in Snow Leopard would mean that both Apple and Microsoft will soon officially offer some sort of free system-wide protection for their respective operating systems. Microsoft's "Morro" is expected sometime this year.
Late last year, some noticed that Apple began encouraging the use of antivirus for Mac OS X, though the company later removed that support note.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
I believe that there's a TYPO in this page: It's "ClamXav", not "ClamAV", and I have been using it successfully for years now, on multiple Macs of mine.
R. S.
Lol.
Halvri are you serious? Posting ads straight from Apple.com. What a joke. I hope you are kidding.
"If we were to need to run anti-virus it would certainly mean Apple were slacking off, but it would by no means make it an abject failure. "
Another idiot statement.
Talk about obscene lack of knowledge. I am suspecting Halvri is actually a robot. Or some sort of senior design project for CS, which has quite a ways to go before it sounds like an individual.
These types of people are why others view Mac users as tools.
Yes I'm serious, there are, after all, reasons that people buy one kind of computer over another. I believe in the core reasons for owning a Mac in much the same way the my roommate believes in the core philosophy of Windows. If you don't understand the benefits of what you're buying, then you shouldn't be buying it and if you are so jaded that you think everything in the world is equal, then there's really no helping you. And none of that is from Apple's website, it's from personal experience.
And I'm glad you think I'm a robot, cause I think your tag alone tells me that you're an immature little kid (whose likely 35 years old or so) that only comes to these forums to start shit with other people cause you have nothing better to do.
I have plenty of complaints about some of the stuff that Apple does, but that doesn't mean I come to these forums just to talk about them. I also think that the next time you respond to me, you should elaborate on your "obscene lack of knowledge" and "another idiot statement" comments so that I can reply in kind or else you're adding nothing to the conversation.
And no, people like me are not what makes others think we're tools. You can usually find those people on other threads in this forum acting like owning a Mac is an extension to their penises and saying things like "PCs are teh suckz, Macs gets no viruses and pwns PCs in da faze" to a Windows fanboi who is literally mind boggled by the idea that people who simply and pointedly defend a company don't necessarily worship its every move.
Here's a list of things that piss me off about Macs if that will make you feel better:
1) Screens: I love the gloss but plenty of people absolutely hate it and there's no reason it shouldn't be a free option on all of the devices.
2) Advertising: I'm sick and tired of the Mac vs Pc commercials acting like the only thing they can talk about is viruses and crashes, the former of which makes it seem like it's the only reason to buy a Mac and the latter of which rarely happens on either side anymore. I wish Apple's marketing team would realize Microsoft isn't on Windows XP anymore.
3) Polycarbonate MacBook: I think it's a complete piece of shit. It cracks too much, it overheats too much and the price is, in my opinion, about $100 too high. Maybe the refresh AI reported will change my mind, but I'm skeptical until I see it.
4) Nvidia: Apple should never have partnered with them. They put out second rate video cards with numerous quality control issues and then try to demand more from every company they work with after the contract has been signed (Microsoft and Nintendo skipped over them for their game consoles for just that reason).
5) iPhone: I think Apple should enable better multitasking on the phone. At the same time, though, I own a Palm Pre and if you open more than two applications at once and don't turn the backlight way down, the battery dies insanely fast, so I can kinda understand why it doesn't.