You want it to act like the auto-update "feature" with other Adobe products? The feature that can't find the application, bails after spending who knows how much time futzing around, then tries to do it again the next time you use the application.
IF windows shipped with itunes, and IF windows 7 shipped with itunes 8 [after 9 is released]this forum would be screaming bloody murder for MS trying to cripple the competition, regardless of release dates. so much for being objective.
Sort of like some people are grousing about Apple not shipping a version of flashplayer that postdates the GM build? Like that?
And who in the world ever claimed this was an objective forum anyway?
But Apple ships and installs it by default so they have at least the responsibility to keep their users on the newest version if they can't fix problems by themselves.
Sigh.
Here's how software releases work:
You define a set of resources (applications, etc.) that will go into the package.
You specifiy a schedule for release, testing, etc. It will change, depending.
Part of that schedule includes cutoff dates for submissions. Because testing takes some time; you do not want to drop in the latest shiny thingie at the last possible instant before you send the package off for duplication. Well, not if you want to stay in business. Negotiations may affect this a little.
What you're asking for is for Apple to pull back the GM release package to swap out the flash plugin after the GM was ready for production. Which would slip out the release date, even more if someone actually did some testing.
And wouldn't that make everyone happy...
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Judging by that logic Apple wouldn't also be responsible for all the third party open source stuff which ships with OS X.
Only if schedule timing means nothing at all in the real world.
You do not know what you are talking about. Flash can't possibly crash Safari anymore since it runs in its own process starting with 10.6. Plus, stating that Apple did the right thing by exposing the users to what Adobe considers itself critical security bugs borders on lunacy.
Like The Donger's sexy american girlfriend say -- when you argue with stupid fanboy, you end up with poo on your d***.
I guess Apple was too busy with their own code to triple check for the last Flash update before going Gold Master. That's too bad. Maybe they should write a script in 10.6.1 that will always compare the installed Flash version with the current Flash version posted over at Adobe upon launching Safari so it will automatically go over to the Flash install page when they don't jive.
And hope that the page location URL never, ever changes in the future.
Unless you know what Apple's internal testing/build schedules were, and the cutoff dates for releases, you can't say this with any certainty.
There are only so many resources available to any real-world entity.
Maybe Apple should just add a script that pops up a message on installation saying to go over to Adobe and get their flipping flashplayer plugin yourself.
Just downloaded and installed....thanks for the link!
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Thanks, just did!
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Yes that's what I was hoping for, too.
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Yep, I see your point....Similarly my real estate firm just redesigned their website where 'Pop-Ups' have to be ON!
WTF! What was this webmaster thinking?
So in Safari, there is no way to turn pop-ups off but choose to leave it on for a certain website. It's all or nothing! Sheez!
And don't get me started on the MLS websites with .aspx whatever that is. It's just incredible these hacks can get away with designing clumsy, archaic, websites.
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Yeah, right on. That's the real story here. It may be, as some suggested, just an oversight or coincidence, but given their history....who knows!
The Donger say -- figure out how to use multi-quote, or you end up with poo on your d***.
Nobody ever asked Apple to push back the release date. But they should have released a hotfix via the auto updater (especially for fresh installs) and take measures that versions do not get replaced with outdated ones in the first place.
Just read the article and watched the video and thought I better check the laptop I just upgraded two days ago. To my surprise, it is running Adobe flash player 10.0.23.1. Apparently there are some occurrences where it does not get downgraded. I was running Leopard 10.5.8 prior to upgrading to Snow Leopard 10.6.0.
I would suggest just to visit adobe's website and do a version test prior to taking time to download and install to save some time and frustration.
For what again? Quicktime is good for video, almost not any good for interactive anything, and Quicktime only has about half the user base too. I expect Flash to be gradually pushed out as HTML 5 gets accepted, but that's a long haul, and I doubt HTML 5 is a complete replacement.
Apple had plans to added Quicktime Interactive in Quicktime 3.0 as part of the HyperCard 3.0 project. Apple even produced an alpha of the project that they showed off at the 1996 Worldwide Developers Conference. Varies things wound up killing the project and all that came out of of it was what is known as Wired Quicktime.
Also Flash had the advantage of being owned and made by Macromedia until Adobe both them out c2006.
I wonder why Snow Leopard downgrades the Flash player? What's the reason behind it? There actually could be no reason and it's just a mistake.
Probably just the version they tested with and wanted to ship something stable. Bleeding edge versions of Flash don't have a great track record on the Mac platform so I can see why Apple wanted to be cautious. If they have to choose over bugs or stability it's a difficult situation. I'm not sure that was the case here or not just a strong possibility IMO. I guess if it makes anyone feel better there's almost certainly security bugs just as bad in the new release. Let's face it, Flash is becoming the ActiveX of its time. Adobe is not a company you want to trust to make secure software. The whole process of updating Flash on any platform is a bit awkward. For such an important bit of software we should really be looking to open standards.
Hello . I went there and read the whole link .I still don't understand this whole flash hubbub ??
Isn't QT better ??
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For what again? Quicktime is good for video, almost not any good for interactive anything, and Quicktime only has about half the user base too. I expect Flash to be gradually pushed out as HTML 5 gets accepted, but that's a long haul, and I doubt HTML 5 is a complete replacement.
I do not own flash
and i get promps to DL flash all the time .
Can i work around not being forced to DL flash ??
Does HTML exist for me to use now ??
And today i lost a good movie stream because silverlite is not on my drive .
WHYcan;t QT or whatever apple SW do all this stuff ?
I refuse any msft or adobe SW's on my mac if i can help it .
**** this Sophos guy. What's the latest of Adobe Flash now? 10.0.32.18 ... Which I just installed ... So OMFG all of you running 10.0.31.X are all going to be Haxx0rred!!!
And yup, nice to see the Flash process pegging a core from 50% upwards.
For the record, I have designed/developed in Flash and it does have it uses. It has been abused, but sometimes a Flash-based website offers an improved, richer user experience. Which some will continue to debate, of course.
FWIW, yay for Safari being crash resistant. The way of the future and they beat Google Chrome to it (on the Mac, since Google Chrome is not available for Mac).
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Why doesn't flash upgrade automatically?
Bite your tongue, man!
You want it to act like the auto-update "feature" with other Adobe products? The feature that can't find the application, bails after spending who knows how much time futzing around, then tries to do it again the next time you use the application.
No thanks.
IF windows shipped with itunes, and IF windows 7 shipped with itunes 8 [after 9 is released]this forum would be screaming bloody murder for MS trying to cripple the competition, regardless of release dates. so much for being objective.
Sort of like some people are grousing about Apple not shipping a version of flashplayer that postdates the GM build? Like that?
And who in the world ever claimed this was an objective forum anyway?
But Apple ships and installs it by default so they have at least the responsibility to keep their users on the newest version if they can't fix problems by themselves.
Sigh.
Here's how software releases work:
- You define a set of resources (applications, etc.) that will go into the package.
- You specifiy a schedule for release, testing, etc. It will change, depending.
- Part of that schedule includes cutoff dates for submissions. Because testing takes some time; you do not want to drop in the latest shiny thingie at the last possible instant before you send the package off for duplication. Well, not if you want to stay in business. Negotiations may affect this a little.
What you're asking for is for Apple to pull back the GM release package to swap out the flash plugin after the GM was ready for production. Which would slip out the release date, even more if someone actually did some testing.And wouldn't that make everyone happy...
Judging by that logic Apple wouldn't also be responsible for all the third party open source stuff which ships with OS X.
Only if schedule timing means nothing at all in the real world.
You do not know what you are talking about. Flash can't possibly crash Safari anymore since it runs in its own process starting with 10.6. Plus, stating that Apple did the right thing by exposing the users to what Adobe considers itself critical security bugs borders on lunacy.
Like The Donger's sexy american girlfriend say -- when you argue with stupid fanboy, you end up with poo on your d***.
Must go now. Donger need food!
I guess Apple was too busy with their own code to triple check for the last Flash update before going Gold Master. That's too bad. Maybe they should write a script in 10.6.1 that will always compare the installed Flash version with the current Flash version posted over at Adobe upon launching Safari so it will automatically go over to the Flash install page when they don't jive.
And hope that the page location URL never, ever changes in the future.
Unless you know what Apple's internal testing/build schedules were, and the cutoff dates for releases, you can't say this with any certainty.
There are only so many resources available to any real-world entity.
Maybe Apple should just add a script that pops up a message on installation saying to go over to Adobe and get their flipping flashplayer plugin yourself.
That would go over well.
Just downloaded and installed....thanks for the link!
Thanks, just did!
Yes that's what I was hoping for, too.
Yep, I see your point....Similarly my real estate firm just redesigned their website where 'Pop-Ups' have to be ON!
WTF! What was this webmaster thinking?
So in Safari, there is no way to turn pop-ups off but choose to leave it on for a certain website. It's all or nothing! Sheez!
And don't get me started on the MLS websites with .aspx whatever that is. It's just incredible these hacks can get away with designing clumsy, archaic, websites.
Yeah, right on. That's the real story here. It may be, as some suggested, just an oversight or coincidence, but given their history....who knows!
The Donger say -- figure out how to use multi-quote, or you end up with poo on your d***.
Irrelevant stuff
Nobody ever asked Apple to push back the release date. But they should have released a hotfix via the auto updater (especially for fresh installs) and take measures that versions do not get replaced with outdated ones in the first place.
I would suggest just to visit adobe's website and do a version test prior to taking time to download and install to save some time and frustration.
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
For what again? Quicktime is good for video, almost not any good for interactive anything, and Quicktime only has about half the user base too. I expect Flash to be gradually pushed out as HTML 5 gets accepted, but that's a long haul, and I doubt HTML 5 is a complete replacement.
Apple had plans to added Quicktime Interactive in Quicktime 3.0 as part of the HyperCard 3.0 project. Apple even produced an alpha of the project that they showed off at the 1996 Worldwide Developers Conference. Varies things wound up killing the project and all that came out of of it was what is known as Wired Quicktime.
Also Flash had the advantage of being owned and made by Macromedia until Adobe both them out c2006.
I wonder why Snow Leopard downgrades the Flash player? What's the reason behind it? There actually could be no reason and it's just a mistake.
Probably just the version they tested with and wanted to ship something stable. Bleeding edge versions of Flash don't have a great track record on the Mac platform so I can see why Apple wanted to be cautious. If they have to choose over bugs or stability it's a difficult situation. I'm not sure that was the case here or not just a strong possibility IMO. I guess if it makes anyone feel better there's almost certainly security bugs just as bad in the new release. Let's face it, Flash is becoming the ActiveX of its time. Adobe is not a company you want to trust to make secure software. The whole process of updating Flash on any platform is a bit awkward. For such an important bit of software we should really be looking to open standards.
Yeah, right on. That's the real story here. It may be, as some suggested, just an oversight or coincidence, but given their history....who knows!
The day they bought and killed GO LIVE studio SW I hated adobe .
Hello . I went there and read the whole link .I still don't understand this whole flash hubbub ??
Isn't QT better ??
For what again? Quicktime is good for video, almost not any good for interactive anything, and Quicktime only has about half the user base too. I expect Flash to be gradually pushed out as HTML 5 gets accepted, but that's a long haul, and I doubt HTML 5 is a complete replacement.
I do not own flash
and i get promps to DL flash all the time .
Can i work around not being forced to DL flash ??
Does HTML exist for me to use now ??
And today i lost a good movie stream because silverlite is not on my drive .
WHYcan;t QT or whatever apple SW do all this stuff ?
I refuse any msft or adobe SW's on my mac if i can help it .
And yup, nice to see the Flash process pegging a core from 50% upwards.
For the record, I have designed/developed in Flash and it does have it uses. It has been abused, but sometimes a Flash-based website offers an improved, richer user experience. Which some will continue to debate, of course.
FWIW, yay for Safari being crash resistant. The way of the future and they beat Google Chrome to it (on the Mac, since Google Chrome is not available for Mac).