...just asking because i'm going to buy my first apple in the next weeks (ghz-imac) and heard in several forums that apple is going to update osx and appleworks in 2003.
Nobody expects 10.3 before fall, and it will probably go for $129, like every other major release of OS X. There should be several free updates to 10.2 before its release.
Which means that, now that 10.2.4 is out, Panther's next!
Rumor (in other threads) is that the speed optimizations did not end with Jaguar. A couple of people are being incredibly coy while calmly assuring us that there are big speed-ups still in store.
With my SD TiBook, I'm happy with the speed, but . . . hey, we can always use more.
<strong>God almightly! I don't want to pay $130 every year for a software update! It becomes so bill-gates-ish, you know. </strong><hr></blockquote>
You don't have to. Your Mac will continute to run fine with 10.2.x. It's up to Apple to offer an increase in features and functionality that will make you WANT to shell out $130.
Hmmm, alot of fuss for the maintainence release of 10.2.4.
People should really flip when they see 10.3...
I'm expecting a raft of new goodies. If Jaguar is anything to go by...we may not be disappointed. Apple needs to keep the pressure on the M$ camp. Turn up the heat a little more. If you want people to shell out another 100 smackers then you have to make sure 'that I'm worth it'. So far, the hardware hasn't done too badly...but it's where the software is that Apple has really impressed. Everything from Jag' to Keynote to the drag n' dropping of the imperious iLife!
Obviously a fall release. Must be something special. We've heard almost nothing about it.
64 bit support for a 970 by any chance? Minimise in play dock. Boosts to Dock functionality? More iapps? Hardware scrolling? More 'rouch edges' ironed out? Faster?
you know, just a hunch, but apple may be keeping builds for panther under super-tight wraps, since things like 64-bit addressing might be dead-giveaways to future hardware direction (and apple/steve still like their surprises)...
<strong>God almightly! I don't want to pay $130 every year for a software update! It becomes so bill-gates-ish, you know. </strong><hr></blockquote>
First of all, it is not an update, it is an upgrade, and a major upgrade at that... Second of all, who is forcing you?... Third of all, Apple is developing this and someone has to pay for it?
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus! <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :eek: <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
<strong>you know, just a hunch, but apple may be keeping builds for panther under super-tight wraps, since things like 64-bit addressing might be dead-giveaways to future hardware direction (and apple/steve still like their surprises)...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not really.
1) Apple will start using 64 bit processors in the future. Along with every other OEM in the world.
2) The only people who care already know about the PowerPC 970.
Panther is probably not ready for developer seeding, and internal Apple leaks have been sealed.
First of all, it is not an update, it is an upgrade, and a major upgrade at that... Second of all, who is forcing you?... Third of all, Apple is developing this and someone has to pay for it?
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus! <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :eek: <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Please. Every version since 10.0 has fallen somewhere between bugfix and update. I haven't seen a "upgrade" for OS X yet.
[quote] First of all, it is not an update, it is an upgrade, and a major upgrade at that... Second of all, who is forcing you?... Third of all, Apple is developing this and someone has to pay for it?
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus!
<hr></blockquote>
I agree. If you want the Apple goodies you have to pay. Not as dear as some of the crap M$ peddals.
Apple seemed to have been a victim of their 'freebie' strategy. Now Generation 'Waah' want everything for free and kneejerk for something that wasn't free in 'classic' days.
Sure, Ten has had its fair share of bugs. But jeez, it's only '2' if you compare to the progress of classic? Lightyears ahead. Wait until it hits 10.7! Then 'Waaah' if it doesn't give you what you want. 10.2 is pretty much there as it is. The media and much fan concensus seems to indicate that.
:eek:
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Apple, lose the stripes on 10.3! More themability...more iapps...3D aspects introduced into the Quartz Extreme engine.
In fact, I'd like multiple desktops which revolve like the Cube effect on Keynote transition!
I'm guessing it will be released around September, just like always, and that it will be $129.
I think it will also include iLife (which at that time may have/introduce iTunes 4), so all the "But I don't WANNA pay money for iiiit" types will have less to whine about.
The only way it won't cost more than say $29.95 is if they release it in 3 months and it's not a major update but more of a "spit and polish" release - the way 10.1 was to 10.0. I suppose this is possible if we're heading to 64 bit land. That is, Apple could release it at WWDC and then say "HERE's what we're working on next and we need you on board.. 64 bit, blah blah blah"
Of course that would kill any Power Mac sales, but since they're by definition clinically dead already it wouldn't matter much.
Finder with a database? Screw that. How about the whole filesystem as a database? Now that's thinking big. Finder can then become a secondary means of accessing files.
All Steve has to do is say two words: Faster, and metadata, and Apple will sell copies of 10.3 as fast as they can print them. A database filesystem with robust, extensible XML-based metadata, all of it AppleScriptable down to its toenails; CoreFoundation complete, so that all of Carbon is accessible within Cocoa and vice versa; AppleScript 2.0, rewritten to use CoreFoundation rather than its own parser and libraries; FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM; Quartz Extremer , with some or all rendering moved off to various bits of hardware. Kernel-level, Rendezvous-savvy clustering built in.
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Enjoy your iMac!
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Dun worry and buy your iMac now. Its sure to add more fun and joy to your computing expereience.
Rumor (in other threads) is that the speed optimizations did not end with Jaguar. A couple of people are being incredibly coy while calmly assuring us that there are big speed-ups still in store.
With my SD TiBook, I'm happy with the speed, but . . . hey, we can always use more.
<strong>God almightly! I don't want to pay $130 every year for a software update! It becomes so bill-gates-ish, you know.
You don't have to. Your Mac will continute to run fine with 10.2.x. It's up to Apple to offer an increase in features and functionality that will make you WANT to shell out $130.
People should really flip when they see 10.3...
I'm expecting a raft of new goodies. If Jaguar is anything to go by...we may not be disappointed. Apple needs to keep the pressure on the M$ camp. Turn up the heat a little more. If you want people to shell out another 100 smackers then you have to make sure 'that I'm worth it'. So far, the hardware hasn't done too badly...but it's where the software is that Apple has really impressed. Everything from Jag' to Keynote to the drag n' dropping of the imperious iLife!
Obviously a fall release. Must be something special. We've heard almost nothing about it.
64 bit support for a 970 by any chance? Minimise in play dock. Boosts to Dock functionality? More iapps? Hardware scrolling? More 'rouch edges' ironed out? Faster?
Dreams...argle...10...point....threeeeeeeee....arg gle...
Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
<strong>God almightly! I don't want to pay $130 every year for a software update! It becomes so bill-gates-ish, you know.
First of all, it is not an update, it is an upgrade, and a major upgrade at that... Second of all, who is forcing you?... Third of all, Apple is developing this and someone has to pay for it?
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus! <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :eek:
<strong>you know, just a hunch, but apple may be keeping builds for panther under super-tight wraps, since things like 64-bit addressing might be dead-giveaways to future hardware direction (and apple/steve still like their surprises)...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not really.
1) Apple will start using 64 bit processors in the future. Along with every other OEM in the world.
2) The only people who care already know about the PowerPC 970.
Panther is probably not ready for developer seeding, and internal Apple leaks have been sealed.
Barto
<strong>
First of all, it is not an update, it is an upgrade, and a major upgrade at that... Second of all, who is forcing you?... Third of all, Apple is developing this and someone has to pay for it?
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus! <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :eek:
Please. Every version since 10.0 has fallen somewhere between bugfix and update. I haven't seen a "upgrade" for OS X yet.
I mean, back in the Classic days, there were software upgrades that people had to pay for... come on... jesus!
<hr></blockquote>
I agree. If you want the Apple goodies you have to pay. Not as dear as some of the crap M$ peddals.
Apple seemed to have been a victim of their 'freebie' strategy. Now Generation 'Waah' want everything for free and kneejerk for something that wasn't free in 'classic' days.
Sure, Ten has had its fair share of bugs. But jeez, it's only '2' if you compare to the progress of classic? Lightyears ahead. Wait until it hits 10.7! Then 'Waaah' if it doesn't give you what you want. 10.2 is pretty much there as it is. The media and much fan concensus seems to indicate that.
:eek:
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Apple, lose the stripes on 10.3! More themability...more iapps...3D aspects introduced into the Quartz Extreme engine.
In fact, I'd like multiple desktops which revolve like the Cube effect on Keynote transition!
[ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]
[ 02-18-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
I think it will also include iLife (which at that time may have/introduce iTunes 4), so all the "But I don't WANNA pay money for iiiit" types will have less to whine about.
The only way it won't cost more than say $29.95 is if they release it in 3 months and it's not a major update but more of a "spit and polish" release - the way 10.1 was to 10.0. I suppose this is possible if we're heading to 64 bit land. That is, Apple could release it at WWDC and then say "HERE's what we're working on next and we need you on board.. 64 bit, blah blah blah"
Of course that would kill any Power Mac sales, but since they're by definition clinically dead already it wouldn't matter much.
I'm thinking
1. A revamped Finder...finally. Maybe with a lightweight Database at it's core.
2. Quartz Extreme 2. More accelerated features.
3. Beefed up Audio. Dolby Digital support and DVD player with 5.1 supprt.
4. Sync that mofo with BSD 5.0 so we can get some Kernel improvements
5. add about 20 other new things and you can count me in.
All Steve has to do is say two words: Faster, and metadata, and Apple will sell copies of 10.3 as fast as they can print them. A database filesystem with robust, extensible XML-based metadata, all of it AppleScriptable down to its toenails; CoreFoundation complete, so that all of Carbon is accessible within Cocoa and vice versa; AppleScript 2.0, rewritten to use CoreFoundation rather than its own parser and libraries; FreeBSD 5.0 foundation; gcc 3.2, featuring another raftload of enhancements from Apple and IBM; Quartz Extremer
The real gem will be something that Apple has only begun to lay the foundation for, and which I do not expect with 10.3: By the time MS has caught Windows up to Quartz' capabilities (assuming that Longhorn's UI doesn't get canned in the way that every previous effort at a "next-generation UI" has), Apple will be ready to roll out Aqua 2, the resolution independent version. Supported by full Quartz acceleration in hardware, this beast will allow Apple to roll out monitors at resolutions that are completely impractical with any other OS, and which will hugely improve the accuracy both of screen rendering and of resolution-sensitive input, such as handwriting recognition. Older Aqua UIs, Classic, and OpenGL can render to logical pixels, which are rendered in hardware to real pixels and composited in hardware. At this point, Apple's advantage as a systems integrator will really bear fruit.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />