There's nothing more pathetic and ridiculous than a loser of an article like this that does nothing but take shots at the competition. I'm not disagreeing or calling the facts presented into doubt, although it's obvious from a single read that it's excessively biased / fanboi BS.
The article wasn't a review and made no claims to be. The article was a criticism through deconstruction of certain marketing claims surrounding the Zune HD. Don't they teach anything in school these days?
Also, the expected comments the piece has generated are highly entertaining.
Before I get bashed by everyone for this being my first post, let me first disclose that I have owned several iPods (haven't gone down the Touch road... yet). But as a consumer who tries to be as unbiased as possible, I'm appalled by some of the things said in this forum. Just because this is Apple Insider DOES NOT MEAN it has to be "Let's Hate on Everything Not From Cupertino." That does not establish credibility!
It really is important NOT to bash the Zune, but to give it everything it is due - why? Because any competition that forces Apple to add features or lower prices is GOOD FOR US! So at a point, we have to take a stand against ignorance and fanboyism in favor of competition.
Prince's article was bad enough, and to make such false statements WITHOUT CITING A SINGLE SOURCE would not pass even the loosest journalistic standards. To believe such baseless claims is even worse! Let's see what kind of BS Prince fed us:
- OLED isn't the next ubiquitous screen technology? REALLY? The blue luminescence issues are a thing of the past. As for the "suspiciously dark room," have you seen it in bright light, or are you just making an unfounded assumption?
- Tegra is a descendent of Apple tech and some guy says it isn't that great? You posted a video of the thing kicking ass! The videos you haven't posted are even more impressive.
- "HD Radio" doesn't mean anything? WHO CARES? It's higher quality radio - you sound like a whiner!
- The IE-based mobile browser doesn't work? GOOGLE IT - while it may be crap on Windows Mobile, the Zune's browser has given a good impression to CNET, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc. This just really shows you haven't done any research.
The comments have been even worse, particularly from "Andrew Levi Black." Where do I even start with his "corrections?"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Levi Black
A few corrections:
- no Genius Mixes: Smart DJ and MixView are similar enough
- no Podcast downloads: is this a joke? Zune has had this for years
- crappy web browser: as mentioned above, not the same as Windows Mobile IE6
- $15-20 third-party radio option: HD radio? And paying more for extra bulk isn't ideal
- "installed base of nothing": you don't sound ridiculous at all
SERIOUSLY GUYS, we will never benefit unless the Zune becomes a viable threat. Loyalty is a great thing... unless it clouds your judgment.
it's updated hourly, can change anytime. besides, it iss human controlled and not based on real sells. using that as statistics on both side is a failure.
Note that it?s updated hourly, but that is not to say that the stats used are only from the past hour. It could still be a running total of sales for that calendar day, the past 24 hours, the past 90s days, all total unit sales, or some other metric they choose to use.
I hope the Zune is amazing since it will force Apple to make some new innovations which I will benefit from. If fact even if the Zune sucks I?m going to rave to Apple about how much I love then Zune and when are they going to improve the iPod line.
All of this ?the Zune sucks? is sending a message to Apple, ?don?t bother improving anything since we will buy anything with an Apple logo good or bad?. I am concerned about how many people are bashing a product they know NOTHING about, it is sending the WRONG message to Apple. Please stop this.
Wake up!! Tell Apple how much you like the new Zune features.
How is competition good when your up against a company funding its money losing products with its monopoly?
How is competition good when said company eventually catches up with its money losing product by wearing down the competition. The competition that has to produce products that actually sell in order to justify its existence?
Company A makes a product that loses millions every year, that product is terminated.
Company B that has a monopoly makes a product that loses millions or billions every year to bully its way into market..... get the picture?
I?ve read that OLED doesn?t need to have the same resolution as LCD to appear clearer and crisper. I can?t attest for that being a fact but from what I?ve seen in images OLED that is stated to be fairly low res looked very good.
Actual detail still requires the pixels, and the Zune has less. 480 x 272 vs 480 x 320. That's a lot. And while the Zune screen simulates HD video better, without giving top and bottom banding, for everything else, it's simply smaller. In vertical mode, that means substantially less text. For SD video, it means a much smaller picture with even lower resolution.
While the OLED may be very good, you're getting much less information on that screen. Web pages will be smaller etc.
Before I get bashed by everyone for this being my first post, let me first disclose that I have owned several iPods (haven't gone down the Touch road... yet). But as a consumer who tries to be as unbiased as possible, I'm appalled by some of the things said in this forum. Just because this is Apple Insider DOES NOT MEAN it has to be "Let's Hate on Everything Not From Cupertino." That does not establish credibility!
It really is important NOT to bash the Zune, but to give it everything it is due - why? Because any competition that forces Apple to add features or lower prices is GOOD FOR US! So at a point, we have to take a stand against ignorance and fanboyism in favor of competition.
Prince's article was bad enough, and to make such false statements WITHOUT CITING A SINGLE SOURCE would not pass even the loosest journalistic standards. To believe such baseless claims is even worse! Let's see what kind of BS Prince fed us:
- OLED isn't the next ubiquitous screen technology? REALLY? The blue luminescence issues are a thing of the past. As for the "suspiciously dark room," have you seen it in bright light, or are you just making an unfounded assumption?
- Tegra is a descendent of Apple tech and some guy says it isn't that great? You posted a video of the thing kicking ass! The videos you haven't posted are even more impressive.
- "HD Radio" doesn't mean anything? WHO CARES? It's higher quality radio - you sound like a whiner!
- The IE-based mobile browser doesn't work? GOOGLE IT - while it may be crap on Windows Mobile, the Zune's browser has given a good impression to CNET, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc. This just really shows you haven't done any research.
The comments have been even worse, particularly from "Andrew Levi Black." Where do I even start with his "corrections?"
- no Genius Mixes: Smart DJ and MixView are similar enough
- no Podcast downloads: is this a joke? Zune has had this for years
- crappy web browser: as mentioned above, not the same as Windows Mobile IE6
- $15-20 third-party radio option: HD radio? And paying more for extra bulk isn't ideal
- "installed base of nothing": you don't sound ridiculous at all
SERIOUSLY GUYS, we will never benefit unless the Zune becomes a viable threat. Loyalty is a great thing... unless it clouds your judgment.
But not everything in the article is wrong, just some things, and a bit of exaggeration to make a point.
MS is hyping the Tegra, when it isn't what they say it is. You can look it up for yourself. Someone already posted it. Other sites have done articles giving the specs. 8 cores? MS must be kidding. Nvidia's own specs show that it has one core running at 750 MHz.
HD radio is NOT a higher quality radio. It's just a digital radio. Most stations broadcast using 90Kb/s. That less than the standard 128Kb/s of MP3's. Some go as high as 120Kb/s. Others go as low as 64Kb/s. Does it sound so thrilling now? Sure the browser does work. I doubt he meant that it actually didn't work, what would be the point of including a browser that didn't work? But it's based on IE6 from what I remember, and that's not good. Maybe it is snappier, but it doesn't render well.
When a company hypes its product, it's fair to dissemble it with your own hype.
After all, both sides can exaggerate to make their points.
Because they actually think that their lame arguments will change people's minds.
And yet AI posts this lame article slamming the Zune HD. It's pathetic. I mean, really, how many people on this forum were even vaguely considering the Zune HD? Two, three, maybe. Why the need to write a 3-page article for all the fanboys?
Oh right, its another Princess article. All he's good as is slamming Microsoft. Apple can do no wrong in his fanboy eyes. Lame. Lame. Lame.
I would buy a zune in a heartbeat if Microsoft roll out the mythical live anywhere service.
But, in all the fanboy crap in here no one pointed out the zunes biggest flaw compared to the iPod touch....... No mac support.
The iPod range works with macs and windows. Surely it's about time Microsoft created a new zune portal using silverlight (which supports the DRM used in the zune marketplace) so that it it can run on Macs.
As to all the crap surrounding OLED, the manufacturers have already increased the lifespan of the displays and by this time next year it is expected that OLED will be on it's way to replacing LCD in handheld devices. That said OLED suffers badly when used outside in sunlight but this should be overcome in future with the use of better screen coatings and brighter display panels.
I want to break my Macbook and burn my iPhone after reading this article. Its reasons why I'm sometimes ashamed to use Apple products and be in any form associated with Apple fanbois.
This article is complete lies. This just proves how scared you really are of the Zune.
First Internet Explorer 6 Mobile is not the same as Internet Explorer 6. You have no idea what IE6 Mobile is based on and in fact CNET reviewed it quite well.
Second if Windows CE is so horrible and everyone hates it... why is it used everywhere. Why did Apple choose Windows CE over developing in house (until now) or using Linux or Palm for their solutions. They had a much more cozy relationship with Palm (until now).
Tegra will be tested in time, but I know with the older Zunes the WiFi is on consistently and as such you would assume it would be on in the Video test which show longer battery. I'm sure actually that OLED also helps to get to the standard. But I see that you are the idiots the support LCD over Plasma which I use because in my house I can see a clear difference watching a black and white movie on Plasma against LCDs. When did we decide that ONE lightbulb was good enough. Tube TVs would light each pixel, Plasma & OLED do the same. Its reality. In real life you don't have a giant lightbult filtering thru everything. Even if OLED isn't perfect (and people going to BestBuy and CNET confirm otherwise) its still a step in the right direction of technological evolution and Apple WILL evolve to OLED and you will look like the idiots that you are in your OLED accusations.
Regarding HD Content... It will play HD Content on the device in the NATIVE widescreen aspect. Unlike the iPhone or iPod Touch that is not native 16:9 widescreen. That maybe more suited to a phone, but for portal movies I don't want black bars or distortion of the movie. In addition the Zune HD will play 720p content on the device, so I don't need to transcode just sync and play. In addition HD Radio is not a brand decision of Microsoft or Zune and its amazing that you deride radio so much when even Apple has eventually added FM radio and MARK MY WORDS that the iPod Touch will have FM Radio eventually.
All in all I welcome the competition and the Zune HD does so much right. All this proves is you are scared and the Zune HD will sell very well. If you thought Microsoft would keep the '1 %' of the market, you would not have wasted your time making up lies.
Oh... I just thought I add that the Zune HD is confirmed to get:
Project Gotham Racing : Ferrari Edition
No.... Microsoft isn't gonna bring its Xbox expertise at all... Its obvious why Apple was pushing on gaming so much... they know what is coming.
As a Project Gotham Fan on the Xbox 360, I am getting the Zune HD. Project Gotham is made for Microsoft Game Studios.
And I know some of you will claim i'm just a troll, but I'd be more than happy to take a snap of my Alu 2.0 Macbook and iPhone 2G.
And just one more time... this Windows CE you hate so much is also the basis for the Xbox 360. And while the Xbox 360 may have hardware issues, its software had worked extremely well.
Actually you get to keep 10 DRM-free MP3s a month as part of your $15 subscription cost. Most of the songs on my iPhone at this point are from my Zune subscription!
So, as long as you were going to be buying at least 10 songs per month anyways, then that means you're only paying an extra $5 bucks for access to those millions of songs.
Oh, and most of those other services you talk about do NOT let you exactly specify playlist order, listen to entire CDs at once, etc.. Oh, and most of them don't let you store that music for offline listening. Slacker does, but you can't specify exactly what you want to hear and in what order. Rhapsody for the iPhone now does, but you have to be streaming, and are SOL if out of any WiFi/3G signal range.
It's interesting that despite that, subscriptions are a failure, while Apple's model has propelled it into the largest music seller in the world. Yes, not just the US, but now the world.
Meanwhile, the Zune has sold less than 2 million units in two years. Sales were actually down 43% in the last quarter, and they're discontinuing all their players for the HD.
So most people say about the listening to millions of songs?big deal!
So? The Zune is ONLY sold in the US. iPods are sold everywhere. Ever thought about that?
Don't confuse the Zune with the XBox. We don't know what, if anything, will come of this. If it does, then you can tell us how great it all is. Right now there is nothing.
The XBox is only a success because MS had been willing to lose over a billion dollars a year selling it. No other company would have done that.
Let's change that to say that you get a chance to listen to some of the millions of tracks offered. Maybe at the most, a few thousand. it's the selection, not the number that you can actually listen to.
But again, it's a failed model. People don't seem to want music subscriptions. All the companies that offer them are either now out of business, or are seeing their subscription numbers dropping. Why will the Zune's be different? What evidence that it's doing well?
Last time I checked, Spotify was worth $242 million.
Now, quoting T3, 2% of 2 million U.K. Spotify users pay. There are 4.5 million European Spotify users. Let's say 2% of European users pay too. That's 899100 pounds per month, or US$1.48million PER MONTH. If that's not successful, I don't know what is. Yes Apple makes a lot more, but calling subscriptions as "unsuccessful" is unfair.
Can I see evidence of this? The retail price will cover the manufacturing costs - surely? Any movie/TV content they shift on iTunes is a bonus. Sales were up last year.
I don't expect them to be making a packet, but I'm sceptical they're losing money.
Just as I doubt they are losing money on the MacBook Air.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thesmoth
I don't think i've ever downloaded an ipod touch app that was actually worth the time. I would say that out of those 70,000 there may be 20 apps worth looking at. Most of them just tools that you don't use most of the time. All of the games are basically the same cheap pieces of garbage.
And right now there are zero apps available for Zune HD. Think how many will have to be made before even one good one appears (by your reckoning)?
Comments
There's nothing more pathetic and ridiculous than a loser of an article like this that does nothing but take shots at the competition. I'm not disagreeing or calling the facts presented into doubt, although it's obvious from a single read that it's excessively biased / fanboi BS.
The article wasn't a review and made no claims to be. The article was a criticism through deconstruction of certain marketing claims surrounding the Zune HD. Don't they teach anything in school these days?
Also, the expected comments the piece has generated are highly entertaining.
It really is important NOT to bash the Zune, but to give it everything it is due - why? Because any competition that forces Apple to add features or lower prices is GOOD FOR US! So at a point, we have to take a stand against ignorance and fanboyism in favor of competition.
Prince's article was bad enough, and to make such false statements WITHOUT CITING A SINGLE SOURCE would not pass even the loosest journalistic standards. To believe such baseless claims is even worse! Let's see what kind of BS Prince fed us:
- OLED isn't the next ubiquitous screen technology? REALLY? The blue luminescence issues are a thing of the past. As for the "suspiciously dark room," have you seen it in bright light, or are you just making an unfounded assumption?
- Tegra is a descendent of Apple tech and some guy says it isn't that great? You posted a video of the thing kicking ass! The videos you haven't posted are even more impressive.
- "HD Radio" doesn't mean anything? WHO CARES? It's higher quality radio - you sound like a whiner!
- The IE-based mobile browser doesn't work? GOOGLE IT - while it may be crap on Windows Mobile, the Zune's browser has given a good impression to CNET, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc. This just really shows you haven't done any research.
The comments have been even worse, particularly from "Andrew Levi Black." Where do I even start with his "corrections?"
A few corrections:
- no Genius Mixes: Smart DJ and MixView are similar enough
- no Podcast downloads: is this a joke? Zune has had this for years
- crappy web browser: as mentioned above, not the same as Windows Mobile IE6
- $15-20 third-party radio option: HD radio? And paying more for extra bulk isn't ideal
- "installed base of nothing": you don't sound ridiculous at all
SERIOUSLY GUYS, we will never benefit unless the Zune becomes a viable threat. Loyalty is a great thing... unless it clouds your judgment.
it's updated hourly, can change anytime. besides, it iss human controlled and not based on real sells. using that as statistics on both side is a failure.
Note that it?s updated hourly, but that is not to say that the stats used are only from the past hour. It could still be a running total of sales for that calendar day, the past 24 hours, the past 90s days, all total unit sales, or some other metric they choose to use.
This is silly.
Competition is good!!
I hope the Zune is amazing since it will force Apple to make some new innovations which I will benefit from. If fact even if the Zune sucks I?m going to rave to Apple about how much I love then Zune and when are they going to improve the iPod line.
All of this ?the Zune sucks? is sending a message to Apple, ?don?t bother improving anything since we will buy anything with an Apple logo good or bad?. I am concerned about how many people are bashing a product they know NOTHING about, it is sending the WRONG message to Apple. Please stop this.
Wake up!! Tell Apple how much you like the new Zune features.
How is competition good when your up against a company funding its money losing products with its monopoly?
How is competition good when said company eventually catches up with its money losing product by wearing down the competition. The competition that has to produce products that actually sell in order to justify its existence?
Company A makes a product that loses millions every year, that product is terminated.
Company B that has a monopoly makes a product that loses millions or billions every year to bully its way into market..... get the picture?
Looks more like a deer or llama to me.
Ah, I was just going to post that.
I?ve read that OLED doesn?t need to have the same resolution as LCD to appear clearer and crisper. I can?t attest for that being a fact but from what I?ve seen in images OLED that is stated to be fairly low res looked very good.
Actual detail still requires the pixels, and the Zune has less. 480 x 272 vs 480 x 320. That's a lot. And while the Zune screen simulates HD video better, without giving top and bottom banding, for everything else, it's simply smaller. In vertical mode, that means substantially less text. For SD video, it means a much smaller picture with even lower resolution.
While the OLED may be very good, you're getting much less information on that screen. Web pages will be smaller etc.
Before I get bashed by everyone for this being my first post, let me first disclose that I have owned several iPods (haven't gone down the Touch road... yet). But as a consumer who tries to be as unbiased as possible, I'm appalled by some of the things said in this forum. Just because this is Apple Insider DOES NOT MEAN it has to be "Let's Hate on Everything Not From Cupertino." That does not establish credibility!
It really is important NOT to bash the Zune, but to give it everything it is due - why? Because any competition that forces Apple to add features or lower prices is GOOD FOR US! So at a point, we have to take a stand against ignorance and fanboyism in favor of competition.
Prince's article was bad enough, and to make such false statements WITHOUT CITING A SINGLE SOURCE would not pass even the loosest journalistic standards. To believe such baseless claims is even worse! Let's see what kind of BS Prince fed us:
- OLED isn't the next ubiquitous screen technology? REALLY? The blue luminescence issues are a thing of the past. As for the "suspiciously dark room," have you seen it in bright light, or are you just making an unfounded assumption?
- Tegra is a descendent of Apple tech and some guy says it isn't that great? You posted a video of the thing kicking ass! The videos you haven't posted are even more impressive.
- "HD Radio" doesn't mean anything? WHO CARES? It's higher quality radio - you sound like a whiner!
- The IE-based mobile browser doesn't work? GOOGLE IT - while it may be crap on Windows Mobile, the Zune's browser has given a good impression to CNET, Gizmodo, Engadget, etc. This just really shows you haven't done any research.
The comments have been even worse, particularly from "Andrew Levi Black." Where do I even start with his "corrections?"
- no Genius Mixes: Smart DJ and MixView are similar enough
- no Podcast downloads: is this a joke? Zune has had this for years
- crappy web browser: as mentioned above, not the same as Windows Mobile IE6
- $15-20 third-party radio option: HD radio? And paying more for extra bulk isn't ideal
- "installed base of nothing": you don't sound ridiculous at all
SERIOUSLY GUYS, we will never benefit unless the Zune becomes a viable threat. Loyalty is a great thing... unless it clouds your judgment.
But not everything in the article is wrong, just some things, and a bit of exaggeration to make a point.
MS is hyping the Tegra, when it isn't what they say it is. You can look it up for yourself. Someone already posted it. Other sites have done articles giving the specs. 8 cores? MS must be kidding. Nvidia's own specs show that it has one core running at 750 MHz.
HD radio is NOT a higher quality radio. It's just a digital radio. Most stations broadcast using 90Kb/s. That less than the standard 128Kb/s of MP3's. Some go as high as 120Kb/s. Others go as low as 64Kb/s. Does it sound so thrilling now? Sure the browser does work. I doubt he meant that it actually didn't work, what would be the point of including a browser that didn't work? But it's based on IE6 from what I remember, and that's not good. Maybe it is snappier, but it doesn't render well.
When a company hypes its product, it's fair to dissemble it with your own hype.
After all, both sides can exaggerate to make their points.
Because they actually think that their lame arguments will change people's minds.
And yet AI posts this lame article slamming the Zune HD. It's pathetic. I mean, really, how many people on this forum were even vaguely considering the Zune HD? Two, three, maybe. Why the need to write a 3-page article for all the fanboys?
Oh right, its another Princess article. All he's good as is slamming Microsoft. Apple can do no wrong in his fanboy eyes. Lame. Lame. Lame.
there is NO significant different between itouch 2g and itouch 3g
itouch's graphic is worse than iphone
Not true!
The 3rd generation iPod touch has a more powerful CPU and GPU.
It has the same CPU and GPU as the iPhone 3GS
iPod touch delivers a better web browsing experience (WebKit vs IE6)
But, in all the fanboy crap in here no one pointed out the zunes biggest flaw compared to the iPod touch....... No mac support.
The iPod range works with macs and windows. Surely it's about time Microsoft created a new zune portal using silverlight (which supports the DRM used in the zune marketplace) so that it it can run on Macs.
As to all the crap surrounding OLED, the manufacturers have already increased the lifespan of the displays and by this time next year it is expected that OLED will be on it's way to replacing LCD in handheld devices. That said OLED suffers badly when used outside in sunlight but this should be overcome in future with the use of better screen coatings and brighter display panels.
This article is complete lies. This just proves how scared you really are of the Zune.
First Internet Explorer 6 Mobile is not the same as Internet Explorer 6. You have no idea what IE6 Mobile is based on and in fact CNET reviewed it quite well.
Second if Windows CE is so horrible and everyone hates it... why is it used everywhere. Why did Apple choose Windows CE over developing in house (until now) or using Linux or Palm for their solutions. They had a much more cozy relationship with Palm (until now).
Tegra will be tested in time, but I know with the older Zunes the WiFi is on consistently and as such you would assume it would be on in the Video test which show longer battery. I'm sure actually that OLED also helps to get to the standard. But I see that you are the idiots the support LCD over Plasma which I use because in my house I can see a clear difference watching a black and white movie on Plasma against LCDs. When did we decide that ONE lightbulb was good enough. Tube TVs would light each pixel, Plasma & OLED do the same. Its reality. In real life you don't have a giant lightbult filtering thru everything. Even if OLED isn't perfect (and people going to BestBuy and CNET confirm otherwise) its still a step in the right direction of technological evolution and Apple WILL evolve to OLED and you will look like the idiots that you are in your OLED accusations.
Regarding HD Content... It will play HD Content on the device in the NATIVE widescreen aspect. Unlike the iPhone or iPod Touch that is not native 16:9 widescreen. That maybe more suited to a phone, but for portal movies I don't want black bars or distortion of the movie. In addition the Zune HD will play 720p content on the device, so I don't need to transcode just sync and play. In addition HD Radio is not a brand decision of Microsoft or Zune and its amazing that you deride radio so much when even Apple has eventually added FM radio and MARK MY WORDS that the iPod Touch will have FM Radio eventually.
All in all I welcome the competition and the Zune HD does so much right. All this proves is you are scared and the Zune HD will sell very well. If you thought Microsoft would keep the '1 %' of the market, you would not have wasted your time making up lies.
Project Gotham Racing : Ferrari Edition
No.... Microsoft isn't gonna bring its Xbox expertise at all... Its obvious why Apple was pushing on gaming so much... they know what is coming.
As a Project Gotham Fan on the Xbox 360, I am getting the Zune HD. Project Gotham is made for Microsoft Game Studios.
And I know some of you will claim i'm just a troll, but I'd be more than happy to take a snap of my Alu 2.0 Macbook and iPhone 2G.
And just one more time... this Windows CE you hate so much is also the basis for the Xbox 360. And while the Xbox 360 may have hardware issues, its software had worked extremely well.
Actually you get to keep 10 DRM-free MP3s a month as part of your $15 subscription cost. Most of the songs on my iPhone at this point are from my Zune subscription!
So, as long as you were going to be buying at least 10 songs per month anyways, then that means you're only paying an extra $5 bucks for access to those millions of songs.
Oh, and most of those other services you talk about do NOT let you exactly specify playlist order, listen to entire CDs at once, etc.. Oh, and most of them don't let you store that music for offline listening. Slacker does, but you can't specify exactly what you want to hear and in what order. Rhapsody for the iPhone now does, but you have to be streaming, and are SOL if out of any WiFi/3G signal range.
I know you're in the US, but Spotify can.
It's interesting that despite that, subscriptions are a failure, while Apple's model has propelled it into the largest music seller in the world. Yes, not just the US, but now the world.
Meanwhile, the Zune has sold less than 2 million units in two years. Sales were actually down 43% in the last quarter, and they're discontinuing all their players for the HD.
So most people say about the listening to millions of songs?big deal!
So? The Zune is ONLY sold in the US. iPods are sold everywhere. Ever thought about that?
Don't confuse the Zune with the XBox. We don't know what, if anything, will come of this. If it does, then you can tell us how great it all is. Right now there is nothing.
The XBox is only a success because MS had been willing to lose over a billion dollars a year selling it. No other company would have done that.
Sony does as well. http://www.google.com/search?q=sony+...ient=firefox-a
Let's change that to say that you get a chance to listen to some of the millions of tracks offered. Maybe at the most, a few thousand. it's the selection, not the number that you can actually listen to.
But again, it's a failed model. People don't seem to want music subscriptions. All the companies that offer them are either now out of business, or are seeing their subscription numbers dropping. Why will the Zune's be different? What evidence that it's doing well?
Last time I checked, Spotify was worth $242 million.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/07...-e170-million/
Now, quoting T3, 2% of 2 million U.K. Spotify users pay. There are 4.5 million European Spotify users. Let's say 2% of European users pay too. That's 899100 pounds per month, or US$1.48million PER MONTH. If that's not successful, I don't know what is. Yes Apple makes a lot more, but calling subscriptions as "unsuccessful" is unfair.
T3 article: http://www.t3.com/news/spotify-has-o...ccounts?=40701
Its like over-proud parents trying to argue their child is better - whilst they sit neglected in another room.
what is funny tho is all the M$ supporters feeling the urge to open accounts just to pi$$ on 'apple-people'
lets all get back to living our lives shall we?
LanPhantom
Apple has been losing money on AppleTV for years.
Can I see evidence of this? The retail price will cover the manufacturing costs - surely? Any movie/TV content they shift on iTunes is a bonus. Sales were up last year.
I don't expect them to be making a packet, but I'm sceptical they're losing money.
Just as I doubt they are losing money on the MacBook Air.
I don't think i've ever downloaded an ipod touch app that was actually worth the time. I would say that out of those 70,000 there may be 20 apps worth looking at. Most of them just tools that you don't use most of the time. All of the games are basically the same cheap pieces of garbage.
And right now there are zero apps available for Zune HD. Think how many will have to be made before even one good one appears (by your reckoning)?