Not sure what you mean by Medicare being in Bad shape. If you ask most people who are on Medicare they will tell you that they prefer it over private insurance. The reality, however, is many people don't understand the government runs Medicare. The above example of not using cheaper technology just because it has other benefits if true, however, is plain outrageous. I suspect this has more to do with a certain companies lobbying efforts then anything. If true, that really is the problem: private and political greed.
I also do not see how the government can ruin the heath care system much more then it already is. In the very least, all insurance companies should be required to be made non profit. It is outrageous that CEO are raking in billions, while many people are going without insurance.
Most people can't afford private insurance nowadays. It used to be employers would pay for it. That more an more is becoming not the case as employers look there first to cut costs.
A single payer system is the way to go. People shouldn't have to worry about health care. It should be a right. Society would be much better off.
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Originally Posted by crees!
What people fear is gov't running private insurers out of business. And there's plenty of audio and video out there that vaildates those fears. Medicare is in such bad shape because Gov't can't run programs effectively, period. All the mandates and regulations are what brings down the system. To quote a wise man, "Everyday Congress meets we lose a little bit more of our liberty."
Yes, but you probably love all the public parks, schools, social security, medicare, roads, airports, and the list goes on of publicly subsidized programs and institutions.
You do understand that the word socialism is just a word thrown around to get zealots worked up in a knot so that programs that actually benefit the public don't get passed.
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Originally Posted by Neruda
Healthcare might be great in socialist countries, but if that is the price to pay for universal healthcare than I say no thanks.
And you would think any insurance plan would be open to cost effective alternatives that provide the solution, rather than an $8,000 piece of junk computer. The company that offers such a computer should be shut down for ripping off the insurance companies with such an outrageous markup.
What people fear is gov't running private insurers out of business. And there's plenty of audio and video out there that vaildates those fears. Medicare is in such bad shape because Gov't can't run programs effectively, period. All the mandates and regulations are what brings down the system. To quote a wise man, "Everyday Congress meets we lose a little bit more of our liberty."
Do you have any awareness of all that you're arguing against yourself? You say that people will abandon private insurance (run with an overhead of 30%) for a public option (Medicare operates with an overhead of 3%) and yet you state that the government can't run anything right. So, which is it? It can't be both. If the government can't run a public insurance option right, then the private insurers have nothing to fear, do they?
Do you have any awareness of all that you're arguing against yourself? You say that people will abandon private insurance (run with an overhead of 30%) for a public option (Medicare operates with an overhead of 3%) and yet you state that the government can't run anything right. So, which is it? It can't be both. If the government can't run a public insurance option right, then the private insurers have nothing to fear, do they?
Don't try to talk logic to these people. You're just wasting your breath. (err, fingertips)
And you would think any insurance plan would be open to cost effective alternatives that provide the solution, rather than an $8,000 piece of junk computer. The company that offers such a computer should be shut down for ripping off the insurance companies with such an outrageous markup.
yes you would. but previously the Gov't run program was all about only supporting medical solutions. Obama is trying to end that 'head up the butt' view and actually save money by being open to creative thinking. now it might mean that for something like the iphone they are only willing to pay half but that is still something (perhaps with the caveat they will pay all under particular financial conditions or only for the cost of the lowest model) but in this sitch, that's still an easy $7000 that can be used for other programs.
Sure, the government might be stupid. But does that mean private insurers are smarter?
Is there any evidence that private insurers would allow the iPod rather than the $8000 device? If there isn't, the anti- government zealots should just move along.
So, to sum up the story, it is a bad idea to have a bureaucratic government run agency managing our health care. It is far cheaper/better to leave the responsibility up to the individual.
Yes, but you probably love all the public parks, schools, social security, medicare, roads, airports, and the list goes on of publicly subsidized programs and institutions.
You do understand that the word socialism is just a word thrown around to get zealots worked up in a knot so that programs that actually benefit the public don't get passed.
The government did not invent roads, parks, etc. Don't give the government credit for these things. The government exists to run the military, pave highways, and guard free speech. Not to get between me and my doctor in the last moments of my life with a "consultation" where my doctor is given financial incentives to recommend me to "hospice care." Here's a link to the dangers of socialized medicine. This baby in England was mandated to die because of government rules:
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
Stop name calling and get your facts right with concern to comparing healthcare systems with US. Firstly not US citizen, but lived there for over 5 years. Secondly lived in Asia-Pacific for over 7 years off and on.
The cost of living, wages etc are completely different to US, so you going to Thailand earning a US wage and spending your US dollars, it would seem much cheaper. To average Thai person their cost of Healthcare is still high in their country.
I can say the same thing about India, with concern to healthcare, majority of physicians have been trained in USA or UK. The standard of care in private/big public hospitals is very good and the cost is much lower than western countries.
Now If I tell you that only 10-20% of the country can afford such level of healthcare that I have access to, then you understand that in population of 1,147,995,904.
So before you start comparing Thailand's healthcare with USA, just remember what you are comparing, since poor Thai people are NOT getting a good deal, but hey as long as you are happy thats great.
Oh boy. A chance to speak here about what is really happening in the world!
1. The $8000 system is a part of why the USA dumps billions into wasted projects-lobbiests!
2. My Mac talked to me in 1984. Today, I follow along with it everyday, reading about how the economy is being ruined intentionally by Benny Da Bankster and his secret Bosses, Baron Rothschild and J.D. Rockefeller." It's great to have a computer that will speak to you!"
3. The Banksters are playing the left against the right, as usual. And everyone's fighting over Obama rather than Stopping The FED and truly moving forward.
4.We've got guys in $6000 suits telling us we have to makes sacrifices so that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan don't have to! While we wear old jeans, T-shirts and eat corn laced fast food!
5. Healthcare is expensive because Doctors profit from "fee for services" and selfish bureaucrats keep jacking up insurance rates and removing people who need the coverage!
6. The quality of US healthcare is not a result of who is paying the bills! That makes no sense.
7. The last company to die a miserable death as a result of the coming deep and long depression-after the trillions in derivatives have hit the books and China demands the GOLD from the Banksters-will be Apple. Everyone needs a computer and a phone and an iPad and an iPod to be informed and entertained.
8. Microsoft will collapse way before APPLE due to incompetence in Ballmur's lack of street smarts and even a slight grasp of reality.
9. Bill and Melinda will be disgraced for selling mercury laden vaccines to Africans, who will suffer from huge outbreaks of autism, like the next generation of Americans who fall for the H1M1 manufactured panic, so Rumsfeld can expand his pharma based portfolio?
10. If a Mexican guy gets hit by a car in Arizona, will the paramedic let him die because he might be an alien? That guy Wilson yells, "You Die!"
11. If Obama and Biden are done away with, we are stuck with Nazi Pelosi!
12.√ Sorry for all you fools who think otherwise, but humans are all ONE RACE!
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
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Originally Posted by rnp1
Oh boy. A chance to speak here about what is really happening in the world!
1. The $8000 system is a part of why the USA dumps billions into wasted projects-lobbiests!
2. My Mac talked to me in 1984. Today, I follow along with it everyday, reading about how the economy is being ruined intentionally by Benny Da Bankster and his secret Bosses, Baron Rothschild and J.D. Rockefeller." It's great to have a computer that will speak to you!"
3. The Banksters are playing the left against the right, as usual. And everyone's fighting over Obama rather than Stopping The FED and truly moving forward.
4.We've got guys in $6000 suits telling us we have to makes sacrifices so that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan don't have to! While we wear old jeans, T-shirts and eat corn laced fast food!
5. Healthcare is expensive because Doctors profit from "fee for services" and selfish bureaucrats keep jacking up insurance rates and removing people who need the coverage!
6. The quality of US healthcare is not a result of who is paying the bills! That makes no sense.
7. The last company to die a miserable death as a result of the coming deep and long depression-after the trillions in derivatives have hit the books and China demands the GOLD from the Banksters-will be Apple. Everyone needs a computer and a phone and an iPad and an iPod to be informed and entertained.
8. Microsoft will collapse way before APPLE due to incompetence in Ballmur's lack of street smarts and even a slight grasp of reality.
9. Bill and Melinda will be disgraced for selling mercury laden vaccines to Africans, who will suffer from huge outbreaks of autism, like the next generation of Americans who fall for the H1M1 manufactured panic, so Rumsfeld can expand his pharma based portfolio?
10. If a Mexican guy gets hit by a car in Arizona, will the paramedic let him die because he might be an alien? That guy Wilson yells, "You Die!"
11. If Obama and Biden are done away with, we are stuck with Nazi Pelosi!
12.√ Sorry for all you fools who think otherwise, but humans are all ONE RACE!
You start of by saying what is really happening in the world, but majority of your points are USA focused, am I missing something here
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
LOUD NOISES!!!!
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I also do not see how the government can ruin the heath care system much more then it already is. In the very least, all insurance companies should be required to be made non profit. It is outrageous that CEO are raking in billions, while many people are going without insurance.
Most people can't afford private insurance nowadays. It used to be employers would pay for it. That more an more is becoming not the case as employers look there first to cut costs.
A single payer system is the way to go. People shouldn't have to worry about health care. It should be a right. Society would be much better off.
What people fear is gov't running private insurers out of business. And there's plenty of audio and video out there that vaildates those fears. Medicare is in such bad shape because Gov't can't run programs effectively, period. All the mandates and regulations are what brings down the system. To quote a wise man, "Everyday Congress meets we lose a little bit more of our liberty."
You do understand that the word socialism is just a word thrown around to get zealots worked up in a knot so that programs that actually benefit the public don't get passed.
Healthcare might be great in socialist countries, but if that is the price to pay for universal healthcare than I say no thanks.
And you would think any insurance plan would be open to cost effective alternatives that provide the solution, rather than an $8,000 piece of junk computer. The company that offers such a computer should be shut down for ripping off the insurance companies with such an outrageous markup.
Yeah a iMac would have suffice. WTF?
What people fear is gov't running private insurers out of business. And there's plenty of audio and video out there that vaildates those fears. Medicare is in such bad shape because Gov't can't run programs effectively, period. All the mandates and regulations are what brings down the system. To quote a wise man, "Everyday Congress meets we lose a little bit more of our liberty."
Do you have any awareness of all that you're arguing against yourself? You say that people will abandon private insurance (run with an overhead of 30%) for a public option (Medicare operates with an overhead of 3%) and yet you state that the government can't run anything right. So, which is it? It can't be both. If the government can't run a public insurance option right, then the private insurers have nothing to fear, do they?
Do you have any awareness of all that you're arguing against yourself? You say that people will abandon private insurance (run with an overhead of 30%) for a public option (Medicare operates with an overhead of 3%) and yet you state that the government can't run anything right. So, which is it? It can't be both. If the government can't run a public insurance option right, then the private insurers have nothing to fear, do they?
Don't try to talk logic to these people. You're just wasting your breath. (err, fingertips)
And you would think any insurance plan would be open to cost effective alternatives that provide the solution, rather than an $8,000 piece of junk computer. The company that offers such a computer should be shut down for ripping off the insurance companies with such an outrageous markup.
yes you would. but previously the Gov't run program was all about only supporting medical solutions. Obama is trying to end that 'head up the butt' view and actually save money by being open to creative thinking. now it might mean that for something like the iphone they are only willing to pay half but that is still something (perhaps with the caveat they will pay all under particular financial conditions or only for the cost of the lowest model) but in this sitch, that's still an easy $7000 that can be used for other programs.
Is there any evidence that private insurers would allow the iPod rather than the $8000 device? If there isn't, the anti- government zealots should just move along.
-kpluck
My question: SO, on what page of Obama's proposed plan does he specifically say he wants to change this rule?
Yes, but you probably love all the public parks, schools, social security, medicare, roads, airports, and the list goes on of publicly subsidized programs and institutions.
You do understand that the word socialism is just a word thrown around to get zealots worked up in a knot so that programs that actually benefit the public don't get passed.
The government did not invent roads, parks, etc. Don't give the government credit for these things. The government exists to run the military, pave highways, and guard free speech. Not to get between me and my doctor in the last moments of my life with a "consultation" where my doctor is given financial incentives to recommend me to "hospice care." Here's a link to the dangers of socialized medicine. This baby in England was mandated to die because of government rules:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...are-limit.html
Quote: "Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday."
Are you fucking high or just stupid?
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
Stop name calling and get your facts right with concern to comparing healthcare systems with US. Firstly not US citizen, but lived there for over 5 years. Secondly lived in Asia-Pacific for over 7 years off and on.
The cost of living, wages etc are completely different to US, so you going to Thailand earning a US wage and spending your US dollars, it would seem much cheaper. To average Thai person their cost of Healthcare is still high in their country.
I can say the same thing about India, with concern to healthcare, majority of physicians have been trained in USA or UK. The standard of care in private/big public hospitals is very good and the cost is much lower than western countries.
Now If I tell you that only 10-20% of the country can afford such level of healthcare that I have access to, then you understand that in population of 1,147,995,904.
So before you start comparing Thailand's healthcare with USA, just remember what you are comparing, since poor Thai people are NOT getting a good deal, but hey as long as you are happy thats great.
1. The $8000 system is a part of why the USA dumps billions into wasted projects-lobbiests!
2. My Mac talked to me in 1984. Today, I follow along with it everyday, reading about how the economy is being ruined intentionally by Benny Da Bankster and his secret Bosses, Baron Rothschild and J.D. Rockefeller." It's great to have a computer that will speak to you!"
3. The Banksters are playing the left against the right, as usual. And everyone's fighting over Obama rather than Stopping The FED and truly moving forward.
4.We've got guys in $6000 suits telling us we have to makes sacrifices so that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan don't have to! While we wear old jeans, T-shirts and eat corn laced fast food!
5. Healthcare is expensive because Doctors profit from "fee for services" and selfish bureaucrats keep jacking up insurance rates and removing people who need the coverage!
6. The quality of US healthcare is not a result of who is paying the bills! That makes no sense.
7. The last company to die a miserable death as a result of the coming deep and long depression-after the trillions in derivatives have hit the books and China demands the GOLD from the Banksters-will be Apple. Everyone needs a computer and a phone and an iPad and an iPod to be informed and entertained.
8. Microsoft will collapse way before APPLE due to incompetence in Ballmur's lack of street smarts and even a slight grasp of reality.
9. Bill and Melinda will be disgraced for selling mercury laden vaccines to Africans, who will suffer from huge outbreaks of autism, like the next generation of Americans who fall for the H1M1 manufactured panic, so Rumsfeld can expand his pharma based portfolio?
10. If a Mexican guy gets hit by a car in Arizona, will the paramedic let him die because he might be an alien? That guy Wilson yells, "You Die!"
11. If Obama and Biden are done away with, we are stuck with Nazi Pelosi!
12.√ Sorry for all you fools who think otherwise, but humans are all ONE RACE!
Are you fucking high or just stupid?
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
Oh boy. A chance to speak here about what is really happening in the world!
1. The $8000 system is a part of why the USA dumps billions into wasted projects-lobbiests!
2. My Mac talked to me in 1984. Today, I follow along with it everyday, reading about how the economy is being ruined intentionally by Benny Da Bankster and his secret Bosses, Baron Rothschild and J.D. Rockefeller." It's great to have a computer that will speak to you!"
3. The Banksters are playing the left against the right, as usual. And everyone's fighting over Obama rather than Stopping The FED and truly moving forward.
4.We've got guys in $6000 suits telling us we have to makes sacrifices so that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan don't have to! While we wear old jeans, T-shirts and eat corn laced fast food!
5. Healthcare is expensive because Doctors profit from "fee for services" and selfish bureaucrats keep jacking up insurance rates and removing people who need the coverage!
6. The quality of US healthcare is not a result of who is paying the bills! That makes no sense.
7. The last company to die a miserable death as a result of the coming deep and long depression-after the trillions in derivatives have hit the books and China demands the GOLD from the Banksters-will be Apple. Everyone needs a computer and a phone and an iPad and an iPod to be informed and entertained.
8. Microsoft will collapse way before APPLE due to incompetence in Ballmur's lack of street smarts and even a slight grasp of reality.
9. Bill and Melinda will be disgraced for selling mercury laden vaccines to Africans, who will suffer from huge outbreaks of autism, like the next generation of Americans who fall for the H1M1 manufactured panic, so Rumsfeld can expand his pharma based portfolio?
10. If a Mexican guy gets hit by a car in Arizona, will the paramedic let him die because he might be an alien? That guy Wilson yells, "You Die!"
11. If Obama and Biden are done away with, we are stuck with Nazi Pelosi!
12.√ Sorry for all you fools who think otherwise, but humans are all ONE RACE!
You start of by saying what is really happening in the world, but majority of your points are USA focused, am I missing something here
You start of by saying what is really happening in the world, but majority of your points are USA focused, am I missing something here
1. We are on the AppleInsider site, which is speaking about Apple products, which are, as it says on the Chinese boxes, "Designed in America"!
2. Most of the evil forces that are moving at this time are directed at destroying America.
3. I live and compute from America.
4. Most of the above discussion has been about America.
5. We use the most resources.
6. We are the World, we are the children!
7. Everything in the US is made in China!
8. SIskle & Ebert were an American TV show!
8. Im sorry....what were we talking about?
Are you fucking high or just stupid?
Myself and my three partners spend $27,840 per year on medical insurance premiums (excluding vision and dental), plus $34,000 ytd out of pocket. We spend over $450k on income taxes on our pay (exclusive of any spouses). There is no way the governmant could provide the same shitty insurance at a higher cost.
This money is parasitic; healthcare is ineffective in the US, but still far too expensive. My wife and I go to Thailand for some of our care and pay less than 10% for the same procedures. Very little with the US system is going right, yet for some reason you crazy neocon lunatics think it is great.
Get your head out of your ass.
LOUD NOISES!!!!
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you fail
guesss this means we can't post anything to do with microsoft at all!
1. We are on the AppleInsider site, which is speaking about Apple products, which are, as it says on the Chinese boxes, "Designed in America"!
2. Most of the evil forces that are moving at this time are directed at destroying America.
3. I live and compute from America.
4. Most of the above discussion has been about America.
5. We use the most resources.
6. We are the World, we are the children!
7. Everything in the US is made in China!
8. SIskle & Ebert were an American TV show!
8. Im sorry....what were we talking about?
guesss this means we can't post anything to do with microsoft at all!
guesss this means we can't post anything to do with microsoft at all!
seems to me, just want to pick an argument because, the person is clearly focusing on the harsh obscene words used, which are not warranted.