It's not like more speed is a bad thing, but really how much of an advantage is being able to move a full length HD movie in 3 minutes. If you already have it on your network just stream it from wherever it is. If you are talking about downloading it from the Internet at that speed then the entire infrastructure needs to be Light Peak end to end and I don't think that is going to happen any time soon.
For the common end user they really don't need anything much faster than they already have. At a certain point, home computers don't need to get any faster, they just need to be more convenient to use.
I wasn't paying attention to the Light Peak announcement, and now I'm extremely confused.
Jobs is picky about this kind of things. If this is true, Firewire is dead, period. No 3200 for you.
As for USB3, I'm not sure what this means. Apple can't ignore that the entire market will go to USB3 this winter, but at the same time adopting USB3 means that Light Peak adoption will lag.
FW 3200 isn't dead. Not even close. The applications using Firewire and it's capability of handling vibration and heat in Jets, Autos, etc., mean it will move right along.
This technology needs advances in casings and will eventually replace it, in say 48 months.
Secondly I could really see this as a great phone/palmtop docking solution. Basically the same deal as a laptop dock, but bringing vastly more functionality to your iPhone/Touch. With the rapid improvements in hardware, it surely won't be very long before your "phone" could serve as the the brains of a perfectly capable desktop/mobile system, as long as you had easy access to full sized peripherals-- keyboard, monitor and storage and power.
Basically, it sounds as if Light Peak could enable an über-dock that would make your iPhone/Touch an actual laptop/desktop replacement.
But I think that "single cable" thing is a bit misleading, in that it conjures up visions of, well, a single cable.
Once past the case of your computer, that single cable still needs to physically connect with all the devices that used to use the various interconnect standards.
Now if it became a ubiquitous standard, and all of my devices had the same interconnect so that I only had to worry about keeping one kind of cable around, or perhaps one kind of cable and one kind of hub/splitter/router, then terrific. But I'm still going to have single cable to hub to many cables, or many ports to many cables, and in the case of infrastructure type connects such as ethernet, it's not even clear why that's an improvement.
High speed data transfer is nice, of course, but the more I think about it the more I thing single cable to some kind of distribution thing which stays connected to your peripherals is the payoff.
Yes, but if the one thin cable could lead to a box off the desk, that would be a amazing. If that box was a hub to which you could plug any device, as well as a networking cable and power cable it would reduce cable clutter on the desk considerably. if all devices and networking communicated through 'light peak' it would be wonderful but until such time a new market for hubs would open up.
It would be an improvement to ethernet because of the speed, the size of the cable and the number of cables required. I am not sure of the cost benefit per foot, of course.
If this article is to believed, no sooner will have people bought their peripherals and adapters to make use of Apple's odd ball mini display port machines than Apple will change it up once again.
That's a good argument against this being a short-term upcoming replacement for a monitor. They would have been doing both in parallel, and it would have made more sense to stick with DVI than start another standard.
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Originally Posted by Outsider
So is this why we haven't heard anything new about Firewire updates? Remember Firewire 1600 and 3200? Yeah. Those. Also could explain my Apple hasn't put eSATA on anything officially.
I guess that's the opposite argument. Stick with existing technologies (edit: which are getting dated, but you're waiting for the next big thing).
Perhaps the optical is for devices other than monitors (for now). I'd also like to see Ethernet networking take the next leap, though that would be difficult without rewiring the house so not so important.
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Originally Posted by FtrV8
Damn I was waiting for Arrandales to pop up in the MacBook Pro to replace one, now I gotta wait for this too!
There's ALWAYS something good coming in the next year. And usually 2 or 3 things great rumoured for the coming year. There are sweet spots, of course....
Don't go assuming about everyone here. I myself have a lot of hatred.
I hate it when companies purposefully withhold new technologies for the sake of profit...or control for that matter. I hate it when companies screw up what could be great tech products because of ineptitude. I also hate primitive tech in general.
Hate isn't always evil.
hate is always EVIL. always. you will be angry, you will be in pain, it will be only about you and you will be alone. In the end, the hate only hurt you. Other people will learn to avoid you and let you alone.
just let these companies alone and go to do a walk in a forest. it will be nice.
That's a good argument against this being a short-term upcoming replacement for a monitor. They would have been doing both in parallel, and it would have made more sense to stick with DVI than start another standard.
I guess that's the opposite argument. Stick with existing technologies.
Perhaps the optical is for devices other than monitors (for now). I'd also like to see Ethernet networking take the next leap, though that would be difficult without rewiring the house so not so important.
There's ALWAYS something good coming in the next year. And usually 2 or 3 things great rumoured for the coming year. There are sweet spots, of course....
displayport is not an "apple standard". and mini-displayport is just a more little version.
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of couse, when this new technology will be available (2 years?) you will be drooling on the NEW best thing! Maybe a totally new crazy display technology, or a amazing delirious new holo-stockage thing ? whatever.
The thing is : be happy of the human genius, nothing will force you to upgrade in the minute and you can be amazed by the technology when you want.
Two things. First, the main benefit of the technology is it transfers all the data through one cable (e.g. display, USB, Firewire, etc.]. So it needs to go a lot faster to accomplish this. Second, hard drive speed will get a lot faster as the technology gets cheaper.
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Originally Posted by supremedesigner
This is interesting.
The problem is - the harddrive speed. If a laptop have 4800 or 5200 RPM, that's not going to be good with apple's newest Light Peak.
I wondered if it will be much faster with either 7200 RPM or SSD?
Even the FW 800 or USB 3, it still "lag" behind b/c of the Harddrive speed. I hope I make sense on this one.
Yes, but if the one thin cable could lead to a box off the desk, that would be a amazing. If that box was a hub to which you could plug any device, as well as a networking cable and power cable it would reduce cable clutter on the desk considerably. if all devices and networking communicated through 'light peak' it would be wonderful but until such time a new market for hubs would open up.
It would be an improvement to ethernet because of the speed, the size of the cable and the number of cables required. I am not sure of the cost benefit per foot, of course.
I guess, but as I think about it seems like "cable clutter" is really a function of lots of devices plugged into one place. You can move that place around, you can make the cables thinner, but you basically have the same topography. Only wireless actually reduces cabling. Although, as I say, as the cabling for a docking system for a laptop or palmtop, it would be great.
Not that I wouldn't welcome a thin, ubiquitous, high bandwidth do everything cabling standard that can go 100m without signal degradation-- that would be plenty upside for me. Although I kind of have to wonder what a 100m optical cable would actually cost.
At the very least, its a chance for Monster to put "Pure optical digital extreme hi mega" on there packages and charge $300 for a 6' cable.
If I understand Light Peak correctly, Apple and other PC manufacturers can phrase out all kinds of different ports and only put multiple Light Peak ports in their computers, while consumers can make use of all the ports with their devices rather than only a couple of them. You don't need different kinds of connectors because it's what Light Peak all about.
I think you are right. By having a single internal bus and say 3 ports on the outside they have eliminated a whole bunch of stuff taking up space and using power inside. My concern are with the cables and their incompatibility with everything else already existing. This means for Light Peak to succeed there will need to be cheap converters from Light Peak to Ethernet, Firewire, USB, etc., etc., etc. We don't want to see a repeat of the ADC adapter fiasco again (some might even include Mini DisplayPort too). I don't think that this new tech will in any way decrease the number of cables in use. In fact for a long time it will probably result in a proliferation of cables, hubs, converters and so on.
took too long to ban this person. I never understand people that rant for the reason, their hate the company or product in a site that majority of people use to obtain an update on their favorite company/product.
Okay to provide a opinion, which we may not agree with, but with good logic facts/opinions, but to rant, just do not visit this site.
He was on a personal crusader to change us all.. bye bye
P.S. Please stay away from this site, since if you were throw out of a building/conference/club in real life, you would stay away, have some dignity and know, when you are not wanted.
When a poster is as one sided in his opinion as NVF you have to wonder if he's not getting a paycheck from some "mysterious" competitor whose business model seems to be " never mind improving our own product ... let's just concentrate on eliminating our competition, then we won't have to worry about how crappy our product is" ... sound familiar?
This is some nice technology and all, but lets think for a moment- what we are going to actually connect these Light Peak cables to? Think of how many ethernet ports there are out there. Of how many HDMI/DVI/VGA ports there are out there. Of how many USB ports there are out there. Those don't just go away. Apple may be able to do it on Apple designed hardware going forward, but how do you connect to all the current devices out there? Not to be cynical, but do we then have to purchase an assortment of Light Peak-to-____ connectors from Apple to connect existing devices?
You do it the same as any new technology is introduced, gradually, bit by bit ... remember how usb
was brought in? ... first as an alternative and then as the only way.
When a poster is as one sided in his opinion as NVF you have to wonder if he's not getting a paycheck from some "mysterious" competitor whose business model seems to be " never mind improving our own product ... let's just concentrate on eliminating our competition, then we won't have to worry about how crappy our product is" ... sound familiar?
It's pretty simple, actually. His purpose is to keep us from being happy and productive. If he can't be happy, then he's gonna make damn sure that at least for a little bit of the day, nobody else is either. It's sad, but that's how trolls operate.
Don't go assuming about everyone here. I myself have a lot of hatred.
I hate it when companies purposefully withhold new technologies for the sake of profit...or control for that matter. I hate it when companies screw up what could be great tech products because of ineptitude. I also hate primitive tech in general.
Hate isn't always evil.
There is a big difference between dislike and hate and , yes, hate is ALWAYS evil!
there is a long list of technically superior solutions that lost to cheaper good enough competitors. Beta was better than VHS and lost. a lot of people said LD was better than DVD because it wasn't compressed. FW was better than USB but Apple wanted too much money. there were a lot of technically better solutions than TCP/IP and Ethernet but they are history.
My memory might have failed me on this but wasn't beta's failure to have the ability to record as well as play the big reason for it's demise ... please correct me if I'm wrong.
My memory might have failed me on this but wasn't beta's failure to have the ability to record as well as play the big reason for it's demise ... please correct me if I'm wrong.
No, it recorded. One of the main issues was that Beta had a shorter recording time than VHS.
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For the common end user they really don't need anything much faster than they already have. At a certain point, home computers don't need to get any faster, they just need to be more convenient to use.
I wasn't paying attention to the Light Peak announcement, and now I'm extremely confused.
Jobs is picky about this kind of things. If this is true, Firewire is dead, period. No 3200 for you.
As for USB3, I'm not sure what this means. Apple can't ignore that the entire market will go to USB3 this winter, but at the same time adopting USB3 means that Light Peak adoption will lag.
FW 3200 isn't dead. Not even close. The applications using Firewire and it's capability of handling vibration and heat in Jets, Autos, etc., mean it will move right along.
This technology needs advances in casings and will eventually replace it, in say 48 months.
Secondly I could really see this as a great phone/palmtop docking solution. Basically the same deal as a laptop dock, but bringing vastly more functionality to your iPhone/Touch. With the rapid improvements in hardware, it surely won't be very long before your "phone" could serve as the the brains of a perfectly capable desktop/mobile system, as long as you had easy access to full sized peripherals-- keyboard, monitor and storage and power.
Basically, it sounds as if Light Peak could enable an über-dock that would make your iPhone/Touch an actual laptop/desktop replacement.
Now we're talking.
But I think that "single cable" thing is a bit misleading, in that it conjures up visions of, well, a single cable.
Once past the case of your computer, that single cable still needs to physically connect with all the devices that used to use the various interconnect standards.
Now if it became a ubiquitous standard, and all of my devices had the same interconnect so that I only had to worry about keeping one kind of cable around, or perhaps one kind of cable and one kind of hub/splitter/router, then terrific. But I'm still going to have single cable to hub to many cables, or many ports to many cables, and in the case of infrastructure type connects such as ethernet, it's not even clear why that's an improvement.
High speed data transfer is nice, of course, but the more I think about it the more I thing single cable to some kind of distribution thing which stays connected to your peripherals is the payoff.
Yes, but if the one thin cable could lead to a box off the desk, that would be a amazing. If that box was a hub to which you could plug any device, as well as a networking cable and power cable it would reduce cable clutter on the desk considerably. if all devices and networking communicated through 'light peak' it would be wonderful but until such time a new market for hubs would open up.
It would be an improvement to ethernet because of the speed, the size of the cable and the number of cables required. I am not sure of the cost benefit per foot, of course.
If this article is to believed, no sooner will have people bought their peripherals and adapters to make use of Apple's odd ball mini display port machines than Apple will change it up once again.
That's a good argument against this being a short-term upcoming replacement for a monitor. They would have been doing both in parallel, and it would have made more sense to stick with DVI than start another standard.
So is this why we haven't heard anything new about Firewire updates? Remember Firewire 1600 and 3200? Yeah. Those. Also could explain my Apple hasn't put eSATA on anything officially.
I guess that's the opposite argument. Stick with existing technologies (edit: which are getting dated, but you're waiting for the next big thing).
Perhaps the optical is for devices other than monitors (for now). I'd also like to see Ethernet networking take the next leap, though that would be difficult without rewiring the house so not so important.
Damn I was waiting for Arrandales to pop up in the MacBook Pro to replace one, now I gotta wait for this too!
There's ALWAYS something good coming in the next year. And usually 2 or 3 things great rumoured for the coming year. There are sweet spots, of course....
Don't go assuming about everyone here. I myself have a lot of hatred.
I hate it when companies purposefully withhold new technologies for the sake of profit...or control for that matter. I hate it when companies screw up what could be great tech products because of ineptitude. I also hate primitive tech in general.
Hate isn't always evil.
hate is always EVIL. always. you will be angry, you will be in pain, it will be only about you and you will be alone. In the end, the hate only hurt you. Other people will learn to avoid you and let you alone.
just let these companies alone and go to do a walk in a forest. it will be nice.
That's a good argument against this being a short-term upcoming replacement for a monitor. They would have been doing both in parallel, and it would have made more sense to stick with DVI than start another standard.
I guess that's the opposite argument. Stick with existing technologies.
Perhaps the optical is for devices other than monitors (for now). I'd also like to see Ethernet networking take the next leap, though that would be difficult without rewiring the house so not so important.
There's ALWAYS something good coming in the next year. And usually 2 or 3 things great rumoured for the coming year. There are sweet spots, of course....
displayport is not an "apple standard". and mini-displayport is just a more little version.
-
of couse, when this new technology will be available (2 years?) you will be drooling on the NEW best thing! Maybe a totally new crazy display technology, or a amazing delirious new holo-stockage thing ? whatever.
The thing is : be happy of the human genius, nothing will force you to upgrade in the minute and you can be amazed by the technology when you want.
This is interesting.
The problem is - the harddrive speed. If a laptop have 4800 or 5200 RPM, that's not going to be good with apple's newest Light Peak.
I wondered if it will be much faster with either 7200 RPM or SSD?
Even the FW 800 or USB 3, it still "lag" behind b/c of the Harddrive speed. I hope I make sense on this one.
displayport is not an "apple standard". and mini-displayport is just a more little version.
Yes, but it's not used much at all. So if Apple only wanted it for 6 months, that would be a bad thing.
of couse, when this new technology will be available (2 years?) you will be drooling on the NEW best thing!
Yep, exactly
Yes, but if the one thin cable could lead to a box off the desk, that would be a amazing. If that box was a hub to which you could plug any device, as well as a networking cable and power cable it would reduce cable clutter on the desk considerably. if all devices and networking communicated through 'light peak' it would be wonderful but until such time a new market for hubs would open up.
It would be an improvement to ethernet because of the speed, the size of the cable and the number of cables required. I am not sure of the cost benefit per foot, of course.
I guess, but as I think about it seems like "cable clutter" is really a function of lots of devices plugged into one place. You can move that place around, you can make the cables thinner, but you basically have the same topography. Only wireless actually reduces cabling. Although, as I say, as the cabling for a docking system for a laptop or palmtop, it would be great.
Not that I wouldn't welcome a thin, ubiquitous, high bandwidth do everything cabling standard that can go 100m without signal degradation-- that would be plenty upside for me. Although I kind of have to wonder what a 100m optical cable would actually cost.
At the very least, its a chance for Monster to put "Pure optical digital extreme hi mega" on there packages and charge $300 for a 6' cable.
At the very least, its a chance for Monster to put "Pure optical digital extreme hi mega" on there packages and charge $300 for a 6' cable.
They could claim it to be "faster than the speed of light." But we wouldn't want to give them any ideas.
If I understand Light Peak correctly, Apple and other PC manufacturers can phrase out all kinds of different ports and only put multiple Light Peak ports in their computers, while consumers can make use of all the ports with their devices rather than only a couple of them. You don't need different kinds of connectors because it's what Light Peak all about.
I think you are right. By having a single internal bus and say 3 ports on the outside they have eliminated a whole bunch of stuff taking up space and using power inside. My concern are with the cables and their incompatibility with everything else already existing. This means for Light Peak to succeed there will need to be cheap converters from Light Peak to Ethernet, Firewire, USB, etc., etc., etc. We don't want to see a repeat of the ADC adapter fiasco again (some might even include Mini DisplayPort too). I don't think that this new tech will in any way decrease the number of cables in use. In fact for a long time it will probably result in a proliferation of cables, hubs, converters and so on.
All that aside the tech looks good.
took too long to ban this person. I never understand people that rant for the reason, their hate the company or product in a site that majority of people use to obtain an update on their favorite company/product.
Okay to provide a opinion, which we may not agree with, but with good logic facts/opinions, but to rant, just do not visit this site.
He was on a personal crusader to change us all.. bye bye
P.S. Please stay away from this site, since if you were throw out of a building/conference/club in real life, you would stay away, have some dignity and know, when you are not wanted.
When a poster is as one sided in his opinion as NVF you have to wonder if he's not getting a paycheck from some "mysterious" competitor whose business model seems to be " never mind improving our own product ... let's just concentrate on eliminating our competition, then we won't have to worry about how crappy our product is" ... sound familiar?
This is some nice technology and all, but lets think for a moment- what we are going to actually connect these Light Peak cables to? Think of how many ethernet ports there are out there. Of how many HDMI/DVI/VGA ports there are out there. Of how many USB ports there are out there. Those don't just go away. Apple may be able to do it on Apple designed hardware going forward, but how do you connect to all the current devices out there? Not to be cynical, but do we then have to purchase an assortment of Light Peak-to-____ connectors from Apple to connect existing devices?
You do it the same as any new technology is introduced, gradually, bit by bit ... remember how usb
was brought in? ... first as an alternative and then as the only way.
When a poster is as one sided in his opinion as NVF you have to wonder if he's not getting a paycheck from some "mysterious" competitor whose business model seems to be " never mind improving our own product ... let's just concentrate on eliminating our competition, then we won't have to worry about how crappy our product is" ... sound familiar?
It's pretty simple, actually. His purpose is to keep us from being happy and productive. If he can't be happy, then he's gonna make damn sure that at least for a little bit of the day, nobody else is either. It's sad, but that's how trolls operate.
For a more detailed analysis, see here:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-evol...ugh-guy-to-meh
Now let's get back on topic.
Don't go assuming about everyone here. I myself have a lot of hatred.
I hate it when companies purposefully withhold new technologies for the sake of profit...or control for that matter. I hate it when companies screw up what could be great tech products because of ineptitude. I also hate primitive tech in general.
Hate isn't always evil.
There is a big difference between dislike and hate and , yes, hate is ALWAYS evil!
there is a long list of technically superior solutions that lost to cheaper good enough competitors. Beta was better than VHS and lost. a lot of people said LD was better than DVD because it wasn't compressed. FW was better than USB but Apple wanted too much money. there were a lot of technically better solutions than TCP/IP and Ethernet but they are history.
My memory might have failed me on this but wasn't beta's failure to have the ability to record as well as play the big reason for it's demise ... please correct me if I'm wrong.
My memory might have failed me on this but wasn't beta's failure to have the ability to record as well as play the big reason for it's demise ... please correct me if I'm wrong.
No, it recorded. One of the main issues was that Beta had a shorter recording time than VHS.