So how valuable is Mozy or Carbonite type back up services? At just under 5 bucks a month, you think a customer's data on a MS server or anyone's outside sever can be backed up? Can it be backed up or is Carbonite and services like it, not designed that way? If they are, that would definitely absolve a corporation's "IT the costs for redundancy and back up (as well as support staff, training, procedure development, test labs, etc.) has to be justified" when another service offers protection and a million dollar insurance promise!
Now keep in mind that Mozy and Carbonite aren't promising that they are keeping your data safe and under duplication on their side. They are providing you a potential safety net of 'user error' or 'crashes'.
Not sure about the million dollar promise? Funny, I did a Google for "million dollar promise backup" and the third link is an article about Carbonite suing Promise storage for "significant data loss", ha.
What's more, read the terms for Mozy and Carbonite. (A couple quotes from a quick scan by me are below.)
Mozy:
Quote:
...YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OR USE OF THE SOFTWARE OR SERVICE...
Carbonite:
Quote:
Should your data be lost by Carbonite we will undertake commercially reasonable efforts to create a replacement back-up from the files stored on your computer.
Quote:
YOU AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS CARBONITE...ALL... LOSSES...
So even these services that promise to do nothing but exclusively back up your data, say in the terms that they in no way are responsible for... any loss of your data!
If you are asking what I think their risk model is, then it is this: Distribute and minimize concurrent loss of data. A majority of the users who think they are safely duplicating their data won't notice or even know if their data got corrupted at the backup service. Those few who do, will be scattered over time and will simply look like disgruntled customers. Give them back their $5 from the last month they paid for and let them cry in their latte while they read the Terms.
BTW- I'm not condoning any of this, just telling you how I think they operate.
So how valuable is Mozy or Carbonite type back up services? At just under 5 bucks a month, you think a customer's data on a MS server or anyone's outside sever can be backed up? Can it be backed up or is Carbonite and services like it, not designed that way? If they are, that would definitely absolve a corporation's "IT the costs for redundancy and back up (as well as support staff, training, procedure development, test labs, etc.) has to be justified" when another service offers protection and a million dollar insurance promise!
I don't know which word is more indicative of doom and disaster, the word "danger" or the word "Microsoft". In this case, we have both of them. Probably should have seen this coming.
i can't find info on how many T-Mobile customers have been affected, or how many Danger phones are now in use? anyone know? a million? more?
to avoid nasty litigation T-Mobile is going to have to let them cancel their contracts. it failed to provide the contract services, which is a breach, and their loss of data has an economic loss value too. i'd bet a large % will - more than 50% - and switch to an Android phone from T-Mobile, or an iPhone. Win Mo 6.5? i don't think so!
ok, both NYT and WSJ are reporting there are about a million Sidekick owners on T-Mobile, but not all lost all data. how many, how much, no one knows yet.
as one blogger hints, MS really screwed the pooch this time.
i can't find info on how many T-Mobile customers have been affected, or how many Danger phones are now in use? anyone know? a million? more?
to avoid nasty litigation T-Mobile is going to have to let them cancel their contracts. it failed to provide the contract services, which is a breach, and their loss of data has an economic loss value too. i'd bet a large % will - more than 50% - and switch to an Android phone from T-Mobile, or an iPhone. Win Mo 6.5? i don't think so!
If T-Mobile has to settle, the litigation would be T-Mobile suing Microsoft.
Can't wait to hear how Ballmer spins this one. Zune-phone anyone?
Anyway, sucks to be a subscriber to the Danger service. T-Mobile and Microsoft/Danger should do the right thing by providing a month or two of free service to the Sidekick user base. That would be just and serve to extinguish any anger towards them for their mistake.
Why was the entire focus of this article on how Apple's method is better than Danger's?
It wasn't, but allowing users to maintain control of their own data locally is an major plus for the iPhone, and the contrast could not be starker than against this disaster, so why not mention it. I'm not a fanboy of Richard Stallman (or the GPL, for that matter) but he was right on this matter: cloud computing is a trap.
Anyway, sucks to be a subscriber to the Danger service. T-Mobile and Microsoft/Danger should do the right thing by providing a month or two of free service to the Sidekick user base. That would be just and serve to extinguish any anger towards them for their mistake.
You guys should know it more than anyone. Paying $99 a year for crap for 5 years of crap and misguided launches.
Way to Kick it to Microsoft. Mobile Vista has been your savior along with stability and features that you pay for.
Microsoft is not Dead, as much as you wish.
Google 2010 is the future for phones.
Apple is going to survive on 3rd world countries with Free phones in 2011 and then ask Microsoft & Google for another Loan to pull them out of the fire.
Except this time Microsoft & Google have each other and don't have to worry about a 3rd rate company to keep the FTC happy.
Palm and Apple can fight for the bottom fish in the phone market.
In the computer Market Apple is screwed in 2 years when they don't have the legacy iPhone money to inflate their earnings numbers.
Why do you think they changed the way they report earnings? It doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
You guys should know it more than anyone. Paying $99 a year for crap for 5 years of crap and misguided launches.
Way to Kick it to Microsoft. Mobile Vista has been your savior along with stability and features that you pay for.
Microsoft is not Dead, as much as you wish.
Google 2010 is the future for phones.
Apple is going to survive on 3rd world countries with Free phones in 2011 and then ask Microsoft & Google for another Loan to pull them out of the fire.
Except this time Microsoft & Google have each other and don't have to worry about a 3rd rate company to keep the FTC happy.
Palm and Apple can fight for the bottom fish in the phone market.
In the computer Market Apple is screwed in 2 years when they don't have the legacy iPhone money to inflate their earnings numbers.
Why do you think they changed the way they report earnings? It doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
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But.
Is M$ a ticking time bomb?
So how valuable is Mozy or Carbonite type back up services? At just under 5 bucks a month, you think a customer's data on a MS server or anyone's outside sever can be backed up? Can it be backed up or is Carbonite and services like it, not designed that way? If they are, that would definitely absolve a corporation's "IT the costs for redundancy and back up (as well as support staff, training, procedure development, test labs, etc.) has to be justified" when another service offers protection and a million dollar insurance promise!
Now keep in mind that Mozy and Carbonite aren't promising that they are keeping your data safe and under duplication on their side. They are providing you a potential safety net of 'user error' or 'crashes'.
Not sure about the million dollar promise? Funny, I did a Google for "million dollar promise backup" and the third link is an article about Carbonite suing Promise storage for "significant data loss", ha.
What's more, read the terms for Mozy and Carbonite. (A couple quotes from a quick scan by me are below.)
Mozy:
...YOU WILL BE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGES TO YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM OR LOSS OF DATA THAT RESULTS FROM THE DOWNLOAD OR USE OF THE SOFTWARE OR SERVICE...
Carbonite:
Should your data be lost by Carbonite we will undertake commercially reasonable efforts to create a replacement back-up from the files stored on your computer.
YOU AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS CARBONITE...ALL... LOSSES...
So even these services that promise to do nothing but exclusively back up your data, say in the terms that they in no way are responsible for... any loss of your data!
If you are asking what I think their risk model is, then it is this: Distribute and minimize concurrent loss of data. A majority of the users who think they are safely duplicating their data won't notice or even know if their data got corrupted at the backup service. Those few who do, will be scattered over time and will simply look like disgruntled customers. Give them back their $5 from the last month they paid for and let them cry in their latte while they read the Terms.
BTW- I'm not condoning any of this, just telling you how I think they operate.
So how valuable is Mozy or Carbonite type back up services? At just under 5 bucks a month, you think a customer's data on a MS server or anyone's outside sever can be backed up? Can it be backed up or is Carbonite and services like it, not designed that way? If they are, that would definitely absolve a corporation's "IT the costs for redundancy and back up (as well as support staff, training, procedure development, test labs, etc.) has to be justified" when another service offers protection and a million dollar insurance promise!
isn't Mozy owned by EMC?
I have to admit, I'm a little embarrassed at how much I'm enjoying reading about microsoft's troubles with Danger.
Thompson
to avoid nasty litigation T-Mobile is going to have to let them cancel their contracts. it failed to provide the contract services, which is a breach, and their loss of data has an economic loss value too. i'd bet a large % will - more than 50% - and switch to an Android phone from T-Mobile, or an iPhone. Win Mo 6.5? i don't think so!
as one blogger hints, MS really screwed the pooch this time.
i can't find info on how many T-Mobile customers have been affected, or how many Danger phones are now in use? anyone know? a million? more?
to avoid nasty litigation T-Mobile is going to have to let them cancel their contracts. it failed to provide the contract services, which is a breach, and their loss of data has an economic loss value too. i'd bet a large % will - more than 50% - and switch to an Android phone from T-Mobile, or an iPhone. Win Mo 6.5? i don't think so!
If T-Mobile has to settle, the litigation would be T-Mobile suing Microsoft.
Can't wait to hear how Ballmer spins this one.
Anyway, sucks to be a subscriber to the Danger service. T-Mobile and Microsoft/Danger should do the right thing by providing a month or two of free service to the Sidekick user base. That would be just and serve to extinguish any anger towards them for their mistake.
Why was the entire focus of this article on how Apple's method is better than Danger's?
"By Daniel Eran Dilger"
Why was the entire focus of this article on how Apple's method is better than Danger's?
It wasn't, but allowing users to maintain control of their own data locally is an major plus for the iPhone, and the contrast could not be starker than against this disaster, so why not mention it. I'm not a fanboy of Richard Stallman (or the GPL, for that matter) but he was right on this matter: cloud computing is a trap.
Cloud computing: When it rains it pours.
Anyway, sucks to be a subscriber to the Danger service. T-Mobile and Microsoft/Danger should do the right thing by providing a month or two of free service to the Sidekick user base. That would be just and serve to extinguish any anger towards them for their mistake.
You guys should know it more than anyone. Paying $99 a year for crap for 5 years of crap and misguided launches.
Way to Kick it to Microsoft. Mobile Vista has been your savior along with stability and features that you pay for.
Microsoft is not Dead, as much as you wish.
Google 2010 is the future for phones.
Apple is going to survive on 3rd world countries with Free phones in 2011 and then ask Microsoft & Google for another Loan to pull them out of the fire.
Except this time Microsoft & Google have each other and don't have to worry about a 3rd rate company to keep the FTC happy.
Palm and Apple can fight for the bottom fish in the phone market.
In the computer Market Apple is screwed in 2 years when they don't have the legacy iPhone money to inflate their earnings numbers.
Why do you think they changed the way they report earnings? It doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
You guys should know it more than anyone. Paying $99 a year for crap for 5 years of crap and misguided launches.
Way to Kick it to Microsoft. Mobile Vista has been your savior along with stability and features that you pay for.
Microsoft is not Dead, as much as you wish.
Google 2010 is the future for phones.
Apple is going to survive on 3rd world countries with Free phones in 2011 and then ask Microsoft & Google for another Loan to pull them out of the fire.
Except this time Microsoft & Google have each other and don't have to worry about a 3rd rate company to keep the FTC happy.
Palm and Apple can fight for the bottom fish in the phone market.
In the computer Market Apple is screwed in 2 years when they don't have the legacy iPhone money to inflate their earnings numbers.
Why do you think they changed the way they report earnings? It doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
I thought you got banned?