This phone's better...no wait...this one...no wait... LOL I guess they just support everything BUT the iPhone and hope that something works? Sounds pretty short-sighted to me.
Is it just me who's getting the feeling that even the phone companies don't know what they're doing to combat the iPhone. Seems like they're clutching at straws and can't find anything else decent.
It does seem like the best way for a company to combat the iPhone is to simply do what Apple?s bidding to get the iPhone themselves.
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Originally Posted by justflybob
This would certainly explain the virulent AT&T / iPhone ads that Verizon has been running of late.
I think those are good ads, but I think it?s unprecedented for a mobile network service provider to specifically attack a mobile vendor?s phone.
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2
The question is not really if Verizon will sell Palm phones, it is how much marketing power they will put behind it.
Looking at the facts:
- The Pre does not really sell well. I know three people who bought it since it came to Europe and they all have returned it after going through 2 or 3 replacement units because of hardware problems (2 of them have an iPhone now, the third one is waiting for the Motorola "Milestone", that's the Droid's name in Europe)
- Verizon can customize and tweak Android as they seem fit, they can't do that with WebOS
- They can market the number of apps available on Android, Palm is not even halfway there
Now add a theoretical Verizon iPhone to the mix... where does that leave Palm? Begging and accepting lower subsidies, running 2-for-1 programs to inflate the stock? I think Wu is too optimistic here.
You make some good points but WebOS devices going to Verizon may just prop it up enough to make it a contender among the non-iPhone app phones. Their OS is more refined and easier to use than Android and it?s not finally got some the major bugs worked out. They really need a better SDK and they?d likely get some more developers on the platform.
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Originally Posted by tdmelvin
What's funny is that their attempt at the iPhone killer [Droid] has failed. He stated that the sales are disappointing.
Droid is off to a great start if you don?t compare it to the current iPhone sales. It?s on par with the original iPhone numbers, according to estimates and if you look at smartphone sales for a single device they are doing very well. For a single device on a single carrier in a single country selling 100s of thousands in the first month is a success. Before the iPhone I don?t think anyone had done that kind of volume sales.
I am very confident that verizon is embracing Web OS...as yesterday I called to activate a motorola Droid and one of the customer options for smart phones was to be directed to an Android, Blackberry and Web OS helpline for activation. I was pleasently surprised and my Droid is already being sent back, couldn't stand the thing.
of a company trying to re-invent the wheel. AT&T's coverage may suck compared with Verizon... but their marketing and forward thinking ability to do a deal that might benefit them over the long term is light years ahead of Verizon. Stupid is as Stupid Does!\
... Droid is off to a great start if you don?t compare it to the current iPhone sales. It?s on par with the original iPhone numbers, according to estimates ...
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
Honest, i had high hopes for the Droid especially after dropping at&t and my 3GS because of service in my area. Verizons service is outstanding where I live, 3G everywhere and i was hoping the droid would fill my Iphone-less void. But the hardware keyboard was pretty bad, couldnt really use it to efficiently, constantly pushing wrong keys. The onscreen keyboards were decent, but so aggravating after having the luxury of an Iphone. I also noticed some lagging in the OS which is understandable but it was very over-hyped and i dont think verizon has a real competitor yet, but possibly. Im sticking with my clean, easy to use, env3 (not touch) which has given me NO problems especially after some lg updates to V05...atleast until the Pre makes its way over
I like the person who noticed at 2:14 in the video that a lady decided to shoplift!
She?s putting something in her purse but it doesn?t look like anything sold at the store.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
You?re correct. I had thought Apple did ~100k their first weekend. The estimates were 250,000 to 700,000 units in the first weekend alone with AT&T reporting 146,000 activations. I wasn?t able to find any actual disclosure of the actual number of sales.
Since the first iPhone could be had with signing up for AT&T at time of purchase that does make the 146k v. 100k figures a little bit closer when comparing carrier activations and shows that Verizon did pretty well. However, when looking at vendors the high initial price of the iPhone does put it a lot more in Apple?s favour over Motorola.
Overall it?s not a bad haul for Verizon and Motorola.
Is it just me who's getting the feeling that even the phone companies don't know what they're doing to combat the iPhone. Seems like they're clutching at straws and can't find anything else decent.
Actually it's even worst for the carriers with the iphone --- their business strategies on how to deal with (1) the end of their iphone exclusivity and (2) maintaining the balance of their handset line-up.
Honest, i had high hopes for the Droid especially after dropping at&t and my 3GS because of service in my area. Verizons service is outstanding where I live, 3G everywhere and i was hoping the droid would fill my Iphone-less void. But the hardware keyboard was pretty bad, couldnt really use it to efficiently, constantly pushing wrong keys. The onscreen keyboards were decent, but so aggravating after having the luxury of an Iphone. I also noticed some lagging in the OS which is understandable but it was very over-hyped and i dont think verizon has a real competitor yet, but possibly. Im sticking with my clean, easy to use, env3 (not touch) which has given me NO problems especially after some lg updates to V05...atleast until the Pre makes its way over
I've read that the Droid camera, with flash if I may add, was big disappointment. Indoor pictures were grainy and shaken.
of a company trying to re-invent the wheel. AT&T's coverage may suck compared with Verizon... but their marketing and forward thinking ability to do a deal that might benefit them over the long term is light years ahead of Verizon. Stupid is as Stupid Does!\
Nobody has more forward thinking ability than Verizon --- they are really thinking long term when they make MASSIVE big bets on network build-outs that they can't recoup their capex investments for a decade or more. They ain't afraid to spend $22+ billion on FIOS that have depressed their share price for the last 5 years knowing that they can't recoup that investment for a decade or more.
Getting a hip cell phone and using those massive net adds from Tracfone --- that's all flash and no substance.
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
I think the number was 640k, though I can't find it at the moment.
I don't recall though anybody sitting outside Verizon stores in tents to get one though.
I've read that the Droid camera, with flash if I may add, was big disappointment. Indoor pictures were grainy and shaken.
There is an odd rounding-error bug that was just discovered. The ability to focus will be good for 24.5 days and then bad for 24.5 days. Still, the camera may still pale in comparison to the 3GS despite the 80% higher Mpx. New comparative testing will need to be done.
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'Super My God' That was painful to watch...I could only handle 30 seconds! MS is the K-Mart of tech!
Please don't insult K-Mart. They try really hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSAXEVXvNz8
That's what happens when you return something to the MS store for a refund... You get the same ole Microsoft "song and dance" from them!
Remember people, this isn't fact. It's an analysts prediction which is far from a certainty.
We keep getting one contradictory story after the next at AT regarding Verizon. It's all much ado about nothing.
Is it just me who's getting the feeling that even the phone companies don't know what they're doing to combat the iPhone. Seems like they're clutching at straws and can't find anything else decent.
It does seem like the best way for a company to combat the iPhone is to simply do what Apple?s bidding to get the iPhone themselves.
This would certainly explain the virulent AT&T / iPhone ads that Verizon has been running of late.
I think those are good ads, but I think it?s unprecedented for a mobile network service provider to specifically attack a mobile vendor?s phone.
The question is not really if Verizon will sell Palm phones, it is how much marketing power they will put behind it.
Looking at the facts:
- The Pre does not really sell well. I know three people who bought it since it came to Europe and they all have returned it after going through 2 or 3 replacement units because of hardware problems (2 of them have an iPhone now, the third one is waiting for the Motorola "Milestone", that's the Droid's name in Europe)
- Verizon can customize and tweak Android as they seem fit, they can't do that with WebOS
- They can market the number of apps available on Android, Palm is not even halfway there
Now add a theoretical Verizon iPhone to the mix... where does that leave Palm? Begging and accepting lower subsidies, running 2-for-1 programs to inflate the stock? I think Wu is too optimistic here.
You make some good points but WebOS devices going to Verizon may just prop it up enough to make it a contender among the non-iPhone app phones. Their OS is more refined and easier to use than Android and it?s not finally got some the major bugs worked out. They really need a better SDK and they?d likely get some more developers on the platform.
What's funny is that their attempt at the iPhone killer [Droid] has failed. He stated that the sales are disappointing.
Droid is off to a great start if you don?t compare it to the current iPhone sales. It?s on par with the original iPhone numbers, according to estimates and if you look at smartphone sales for a single device they are doing very well. For a single device on a single carrier in a single country selling 100s of thousands in the first month is a success. Before the iPhone I don?t think anyone had done that kind of volume sales.
Please don't insult K-Mart. They try really hard.
I know you're kidding...but you're right! Sorry!
'Super My God' That was painful to watch...I could only handle 30 seconds! MS is the K-Mart of tech!
I like the person who noticed at 2:14 in the video that a lady decided to shoplift!
my Droid is already being sent back, couldn't stand the thing.
May I ask why?
May I ask why?
... Droid is off to a great start if you don?t compare it to the current iPhone sales. It?s on par with the original iPhone numbers, according to estimates ...
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
May I ask why?
Honest, i had high hopes for the Droid especially after dropping at&t and my 3GS because of service in my area. Verizons service is outstanding where I live, 3G everywhere and i was hoping the droid would fill my Iphone-less void. But the hardware keyboard was pretty bad, couldnt really use it to efficiently, constantly pushing wrong keys. The onscreen keyboards were decent, but so aggravating after having the luxury of an Iphone. I also noticed some lagging in the OS which is understandable but it was very over-hyped and i dont think verizon has a real competitor yet, but possibly. Im sticking with my clean, easy to use, env3 (not touch) which has given me NO problems especially after some lg updates to V05...atleast until the Pre makes its way over
I like the person who noticed at 2:14 in the video that a lady decided to shoplift!
She?s putting something in her purse but it doesn?t look like anything sold at the store.
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
You?re correct. I had thought Apple did ~100k their first weekend. The estimates were 250,000 to 700,000 units in the first weekend alone with AT&T reporting 146,000 activations. I wasn?t able to find any actual disclosure of the actual number of sales.
Since the first iPhone could be had with signing up for AT&T at time of purchase that does make the 146k v. 100k figures a little bit closer when comparing carrier activations and shows that Verizon did pretty well. However, when looking at vendors the high initial price of the iPhone does put it a lot more in Apple?s favour over Motorola.
Overall it?s not a bad haul for Verizon and Motorola.
Is it just me who's getting the feeling that even the phone companies don't know what they're doing to combat the iPhone. Seems like they're clutching at straws and can't find anything else decent.
Actually it's even worst for the carriers with the iphone --- their business strategies on how to deal with (1) the end of their iphone exclusivity and (2) maintaining the balance of their handset line-up.
Honest, i had high hopes for the Droid especially after dropping at&t and my 3GS because of service in my area. Verizons service is outstanding where I live, 3G everywhere and i was hoping the droid would fill my Iphone-less void. But the hardware keyboard was pretty bad, couldnt really use it to efficiently, constantly pushing wrong keys. The onscreen keyboards were decent, but so aggravating after having the luxury of an Iphone. I also noticed some lagging in the OS which is understandable but it was very over-hyped and i dont think verizon has a real competitor yet, but possibly. Im sticking with my clean, easy to use, env3 (not touch) which has given me NO problems especially after some lg updates to V05...atleast until the Pre makes its way over
I've read that the Droid camera, with flash if I may add, was big disappointment. Indoor pictures were grainy and shaken.
of a company trying to re-invent the wheel. AT&T's coverage may suck compared with Verizon... but their marketing and forward thinking ability to do a deal that might benefit them over the long term is light years ahead of Verizon. Stupid is as Stupid Does!
Nobody has more forward thinking ability than Verizon --- they are really thinking long term when they make MASSIVE big bets on network build-outs that they can't recoup their capex investments for a decade or more. They ain't afraid to spend $22+ billion on FIOS that have depressed their share price for the last 5 years knowing that they can't recoup that investment for a decade or more.
Getting a hip cell phone and using those massive net adds from Tracfone --- that's all flash and no substance.
I also think they are off to an okay start, but it's not true to say it's "on a par" or equal to, the original iPhone numbers (sales figures), at all AFAIK.
I think the number was 640k, though I can't find it at the moment.
I don't recall though anybody sitting outside Verizon stores in tents to get one though.
I've read that the Droid camera, with flash if I may add, was big disappointment. Indoor pictures were grainy and shaken.
There is an odd rounding-error bug that was just discovered. The ability to focus will be good for 24.5 days and then bad for 24.5 days. Still, the camera may still pale in comparison to the 3GS despite the 80% higher Mpx. New comparative testing will need to be done.