hey, not fair. I'm just passing on info which i thought someone might what to see. I can have an opnion can't i.</strong><hr></blockquote>
notice, I didnt call you a troll, i was just asking other people's opinions (yeah i know, covering my ass)
I'll admit, I didn't even go to spymac b/c I dont want to give their site hits. I also rememebred these specs from when SdC posted them. So, it was just first impression. Sorry...
they may have been published elsewhere and sorry if i've offended anyone buy doing so again. But don't you think that as specs they do ring true if you take into account what apple has done in the past. To be fair to Apple there quite impressive leaps and introductions. If you added iwalk, iphoto, etc to that i'd be a pretty good show. It would be been realistic. All this talk of G5's makes me laugh
M8545LL/A exists today - it's Mac OS X</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh the irony They just made another iWalk They are either royally screwed by those who give them the rumors or they try really hard (the iMac specs are some of the most realistic I have seen) and screw up on the details every time.
I think the people at Apple generally underestimate the degree to which us fanatics invest in their announcements. We are far too high-strung and we've paid too much already emotionally to ever be satisfied. The best sex of your life couldn't live up to these expectations.
<strong>I am hardly blown away. How is this beyond the rumor sites? I don't think so.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i have a feeling there is a new product up their sleeves, whether it's iWalk i don't know. But i think apples idea of blowing you away is more the impact of new designs and lifestyle than power. To the layman in the street a funky new iMac and a new lifestyle product will look great in magazine and the news. The apple site may well be reading all this and reacting to it, but when it come down to it it is marketed to the average pc user not the mac powerusers like ourselves. These new products with blown away the average person if only on style. It all makes sense if you think different instead of expecting the impossible.
<strong>I don't care how cool the new iMac design is, if it still has a G3 I'm not going to touch it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
if Apple don't have a G5 (which i'm convined they don't) they can't stick a G4 in a iMac. It would take sales away from the PowerMac G4. Yes, they could put a low Mhz G4 in but then everyone would moan that it wasn't a GHz one. I use a 867 G4 at the studio and an 400Mhz G3 at home. To be fair theres not a gaping speed gap between them, the G4's faster but i really notice the difference. Not everyone wants to render and photoshop on a iMac, i do that on my G4. I'd be chuffed at home with a 1Ghz G3.
if Apple don't have a G5 (which i'm convined they don't) they can't stick a G4 in a iMac. It would take sales away from the PowerMac G4. Yes, they could put a low Mhz G4 in but then everyone would moan that it wasn't a GHz one. I use a 867 G4 at the studio and an 400Mhz G3 at home. To be fair theres not a gaping speed gap between them, the G4's faster but i really notice the difference. Not everyone wants to render and photoshop on a iMac, i do that on my G4. I'd be chuffed at home with a 1Ghz G3.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course Apple can put the G4 in the iMac even if the PM is still a G4.
There are lots of things that differentiate the 2 of them. They have done this before with the G3 PowerMacs.
Also, if they add DDR to the PMs that would be yet another thing that would differentiate them.
Haveing a G4 in an iMac is CRUCIAL. AltiVec is a GREAT technology, but currtently other then OS X, other Apple products, and Adobe Apps (Maya too). Developer support for AltiVec is weak. The reason for this is a lack of PCs that can take advantage of this. If the iMac got AltiVec, it would increase the installed base of AltiVec greatly, thereby making it worthwhile for programmers to code for it. BINGO, instant speed boost for ALL G4 macs.
There are other reasons why an iMac+G4 is a good idea, but I can't think of them at this moment...
I was really hoping for a 128 MB high end Nvidia card!
The last batch of Quicksilver G4s had stock OEM Geforce 3's in the top-end 867 G4's...
If Apple is "serious about gamers" they better put a freakin' bad@ss card in there!
I know I can BTO somekind of card maybe, but it backorders the Mac's ship time and Apple RAPES customers on custom configs! Ever buy RAM from Apple? Bend over....
if Apple don't have a G5 (which i'm convined they don't) they can't stick a G4 in a iMac. It would take sales away from the PowerMac G4
why does everybody say this.....tower and all-in-one users are different...one likes to upgrade and add on, the other doesn't.....i want an all-in-one with a G4 chip and superdrive.....will i get it at MWSF?? i don't know, but if the only way i can get a G4 and superdrive is with a tower...then i will wait a while longer....selling an iMac with good features doesn't steal sells from apple towers, it steals sales from dell and compac and hp...g
Do people really want to see the iMacs down at 500-733 MHz G4s? That's what they'd be if they made their way into these machines. Any faster and they'd directly compete with the Power Macs if the G4s started at around 800 MHz.
I'd rather see a 1 GHz G3 iMac than a 700 MHz G4 in the iMac. If we see the 1 GHz G3 iMac, and G5s are ready for MWNY, then we will see 1 GHz G4 iMacs then.
This is of course a blank point if Apple somehow manages to get G5s out the door on Monday, but I doubt it.
the gelding, that's what I'M saying! If people but the iMac instead of the PowerMac, what does apple have to worry about??? they're still buying APPLE hardware. They just make more imacs. Or vice versa.
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<strong>If these are the specs for the new iMacs, what will the PowerMac be? Can we say G5?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you missed the first 3 paragraphs of the post-
[quote] G4 Mac M9541LL/A
1200 MHz PPC G4 256 MB PC DDR ram 60 GB HD nVidia MX2 32mb 24x CDRW GBEthernet 56K
Modem Wireless Ready (Airport) Keyboard Mouse Mac OS X.2 Options: Airport/Gigawire
CompUSA Price $1699
G4Mac M9571LL/A
1400 MHz PPC G4 512 MB PC DDR ram 80 GB HD nVidia MX2 32mb DVDR-SUPERDRIVE
GBEthernet/GW 56K Modem Wireless (Airport) Keyboard Mouse Mac OS X.2
CompUSA Price $2499
G4Mac M9591LL/A
1400 (2X) GHz PPC G4 1024 MB PC DDR ram 120 GB HD nVidia MX2 64mb/TWIN
DVDR-SUPERDRIVEII GBEthernet/GW 56K Modem Wireless (Airport) Keyboard Mouse Mac OS X.2
CompUSA Price $3499 <hr></blockquote>
Also, what graphics card is that?
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hey, not fair. I'm just passing on info which i thought someone might what to see. I can have an opnion can't i.</strong><hr></blockquote>
notice, I didnt call you a troll, i was just asking other people's opinions (yeah i know, covering my ass)
I'll admit, I didn't even go to spymac b/c I dont want to give their site hits. I also rememebred these specs from when SdC posted them. So, it was just first impression. Sorry...
-Paul
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And they didn't even check the order numbers.
M8545LL/A exists today - it's Mac OS X</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh the irony
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<strong>I am hardly blown away. How is this beyond the rumor sites? I don't think so.</strong><hr></blockquote>
i have a feeling there is a new product up their sleeves, whether it's iWalk i don't know. But i think apples idea of blowing you away is more the impact of new designs and lifestyle than power. To the layman in the street a funky new iMac and a new lifestyle product will look great in magazine and the news. The apple site may well be reading all this and reacting to it, but when it come down to it it is marketed to the average pc user not the mac powerusers like ourselves. These new products with blown away the average person if only on style. It all makes sense if you think different instead of expecting the impossible.
<strong>I don't care how cool the new iMac design is, if it still has a G3 I'm not going to touch it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ditto.
Now my brother on the other hand. I can convince him to get anything
-Paul
<strong>I don't care how cool the new iMac design is, if it still has a G3 I'm not going to touch it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
if Apple don't have a G5 (which i'm convined they don't) they can't stick a G4 in a iMac. It would take sales away from the PowerMac G4. Yes, they could put a low Mhz G4 in but then everyone would moan that it wasn't a GHz one. I use a 867 G4 at the studio and an 400Mhz G3 at home. To be fair theres not a gaping speed gap between them, the G4's faster but i really notice the difference. Not everyone wants to render and photoshop on a iMac, i do that on my G4. I'd be chuffed at home with a 1Ghz G3.
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if Apple don't have a G5 (which i'm convined they don't) they can't stick a G4 in a iMac. It would take sales away from the PowerMac G4. Yes, they could put a low Mhz G4 in but then everyone would moan that it wasn't a GHz one. I use a 867 G4 at the studio and an 400Mhz G3 at home. To be fair theres not a gaping speed gap between them, the G4's faster but i really notice the difference. Not everyone wants to render and photoshop on a iMac, i do that on my G4. I'd be chuffed at home with a 1Ghz G3.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course Apple can put the G4 in the iMac even if the PM is still a G4.
There are lots of things that differentiate the 2 of them. They have done this before with the G3 PowerMacs.
Also, if they add DDR to the PMs that would be yet another thing that would differentiate them.
Haveing a G4 in an iMac is CRUCIAL. AltiVec is a GREAT technology, but currtently other then OS X, other Apple products, and Adobe Apps (Maya too). Developer support for AltiVec is weak. The reason for this is a lack of PCs that can take advantage of this. If the iMac got AltiVec, it would increase the installed base of AltiVec greatly, thereby making it worthwhile for programmers to code for it. BINGO, instant speed boost for ALL G4 macs.
There are other reasons why an iMac+G4 is a good idea, but I can't think of them at this moment...
-Paul
No stock Nvidia GeForce 3 card?
Worse: No Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 500 card OEM?
More Worser: No Nvidia GeForce 4 AGP 8x card?
I was really hoping for a 128 MB high end Nvidia card!
The last batch of Quicksilver G4s had stock OEM Geforce 3's in the top-end 867 G4's...
If Apple is "serious about gamers" they better put a freakin' bad@ss card in there!
I know I can BTO somekind of card maybe, but it backorders the Mac's ship time and Apple RAPES customers on custom configs! Ever buy RAM from Apple? Bend over....
I don't think so.
why does everybody say this.....tower and all-in-one users are different...one likes to upgrade and add on, the other doesn't.....i want an all-in-one with a G4 chip and superdrive.....will i get it at MWSF?? i don't know, but if the only way i can get a G4 and superdrive is with a tower...then i will wait a while longer....selling an iMac with good features doesn't steal sells from apple towers, it steals sales from dell and compac and hp...g
and whats with the 14" LCD??
[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
I'd rather see a 1 GHz G3 iMac than a 700 MHz G4 in the iMac. If we see the 1 GHz G3 iMac, and G5s are ready for MWNY, then we will see 1 GHz G4 iMacs then.
This is of course a blank point if Apple somehow manages to get G5s out the door on Monday, but I doubt it.