Piper: Apple tablet no more than $700, launch timing irrelevant

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  • Reply 61 of 93
    irelandireland Posts: 17,785member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Psyhics. Any way you slice it the iPhone is more expensive than the Mac Pro in terms of quantifiable things like power or weight to cost.



    But in terms of how much the check is made out for, the Mac Pro costs more. It's all relative, generally.
  • Reply 62 of 93
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
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    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Sounds then like your saying the iPhone is overpriced.



    Way to avoid the meat of the argument. The unsubsidized iPhone seems overpriced based on ifixits numbers. In reality though, you paid $700 for it and love it, which means it was worth it to you. Therefore it wasn't overpriced in your eyes (if it was, why did you buy it?). I love my iPhone and would also pay $700 for it without a contract, so it isn't overpriced in my eyes either.



    Don't confuse higher than normal margin with overpriced.
  • Reply 63 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post


    I don't think that's what he meant. I think what he meant is that the Tablet is not yet factored into Apple's stock price. So if it launches later than expected, it won't negatively impact the stock.



    Right, that's what he meant -- I just wonder if it's true. The markets are sucking fumes half the time, so even rumored delays of unannounced and completely speculative products can have a negative impact on the stock price, in the short run anyway. Part of AAPL's valuation is the wish factor -- the markets expect Steve to continue pulling rabbits out of his hat.
  • Reply 64 of 93
    ronboronbo Posts: 669member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    I would imagine there is some sort of cross-subsidy for those who own both?



    And then we start bumping up against conflicting rumors that this might be offered to another carrier. I can imagine the insurrection that would come if Apple tied it to AT&T, with people howling it forces them to stay with the carrier and they wanted to bolt (presuming exclusivity ends 6-2010), and I can imagine people howling if it was offered to Verizon when AT&T still had the iPhone. If indeed the rumors are true that the rumored tablet's previously rumored early-2010 intro has been pushed beck, then perhaps it's so that the contracts can be unified. I guess we'll know in about 6 years, when the tablet's finally released
  • Reply 65 of 93
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    Way to avoid the meat of the argument. The unsubsidized iPhone seems overpriced based on ifixits numbers. In reality though, you paid $700 for it and love it, which means it was worth it to you. Therefore it wasn't overpriced in your eyes (if it was, why did you buy it?). I love my iPhone and would also pay $700 for it without a contract, so it isn't overpriced in my eyes either.



    Don't confuse higher than normal margin with overpriced.



    I love it and bought it because it has what I wanted and need and thought it had a much better cost/ benefit ration than the original or 2nd gen. Having said that, I would have bought it just the same with a big broad grin on my face for $400.
  • Reply 66 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    Nice to see that Gene Munster is now a psychic.



    More like psychotic.
  • Reply 67 of 93
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    I love it and bought it because it has what I wanted and need and thought it had a much better cost/ benefit ration than the original or 2nd gen. Having said that, I would have bought it just the same with a big broad grin on my face for $400.



    Well obviously



    I'd rather have stuff given to me for free. That doesn't make stuff that isn't free overpriced.
  • Reply 68 of 93
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    What are you talking about? Microsoft is a software company. Why would he be even concerned with such a niche product? Apple doesn't compete with Microsoft and vice versa no matter what Justin Long and the unholy three on AI tell you- the are two totally different markets.





    For a company who doesn't compete with Apple, they sure made a strange choice to spend their money on those laptop hunter adds, that were targeted at Apple. You know TechDud, you should work for M$ to guide Ballmer on the right path. Who knows .... maybe two fools do make it right.
  • Reply 69 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by newbee View Post


    For a company who doesn't compete with Apple, they sure made a strange choice to spend their money on those laptop hunter adds, that were targeted at Apple. You know TechDud, you should work for M$ to guide Ballmer on the right path. Who knows .... maybe two fools do make it right.



    Speaking of desperation:



    http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph..._numbers_miss/
  • Reply 70 of 93
    macroninmacronin Posts: 1,174member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    We don't want no stinking tablet!



    Speak for yourself, I (and many, many others) look forward to an Apple tablet-esque device! ;^p



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    When the government starts raising the property taxes, expect the rents to go up and tent cities to pop up like it is already happening in California.



    iTent...?!?
  • Reply 71 of 93
    Telling us what price the market will bear, when no-one knows for sure if it exists, nor what it will do if it does exist. What a load of utter bollocks.
  • Reply 72 of 93
    I gave in after getting tired of all the rumor mongering. I bought a Modbook. Now I can do all my drawing, run Windows 7 for the handwriting recognition, and just use it as my standard computer with a wireless mouse and keyboard.



    I have a bad feeling that Apple is truly going to mess this up and just build a multi-touch ONLY iPod Touch that is just larger in size. No true OS X/ Windows 7, no stylus support, etc. I hope I am wrong...but I guess we will see in about a year.
  • Reply 73 of 93
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    Originally Posted by lamewing View Post


    I gave in after getting tired of all the rumor mongering. I bought a Modbook. Now I can do all my drawing, run Windows 7 for the handwriting recognition, and just use it as my standard computer with a wireless mouse and keyboard.



    I have a bad feeling that Apple is truly going to mess this up and just build a multi-touch ONLY iPod Touch that is just larger in size. No true OS X/ Windows 7, no stylus support, etc. I hope I am wrong...but I guess we will see in about a year.



    Not a good idea to bet against Apple. But to each their own. Come mid-next year we'll see your mobbook on ebay.
  • Reply 74 of 93
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Not a good idea to bet against Apple. But to each their own. Come mid-next year we'll see your mobbook on ebay.



    Not true- I bet on Apple 3 years ago with the Apple TV and lost. It deserves a one way ticket to the Land of the Misfit Toys. Even you bought the WD instead- which was against the ATV- no?
  • Reply 75 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krispie View Post


    Telling us what price the market will bear, when no-one knows for sure if it exists, nor what it will do if it does exist. What a load of utter bollocks.



    Have to agree here.
  • Reply 76 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lamewing View Post


    I have a bad feeling that Apple is truly going to mess this up and just build a multi-touch ONLY iPod Touch that is just larger in size. No true OS X/ Windows 7, no stylus support, etc.



    I doubt it will be "just" a larger iPod touch. Just because it may run iPhone OS doesn't mean it will have the same features as an iPod touch / iPhone.
  • Reply 77 of 93
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    We don't want no stinking tablet!





    Well there isn't enough people who have a need for such a device at this time.





    What Apple is trying to find, is a need for the tablet and trying to get cooperation of others that will make a the iTablet a success.



    A tablet is just a tablet without content or purpose.





    Apple tends to complicate things as well. Any device they seem to make always require attention, a learning curve, backups or updates or something else to focus your attention. It's like a low grade version of Windows.



    People just want a device that solves their problem and requires little or no attention.



    Also people are looking for things to do that makes them or saves them money, not much into things that cost them money.



    Although the recent jobs number is flat, this just means employers are keeping their staff for the holiday buying season where almost 50% of a years sales occurs, after that, come the new year, expect the unemployment rate to skyrocket.



    It's going to be bad, real bad.



    And it's going to stay that way until we vote out the liberal socialist sub-prime causing mess members of Congress who forced Freddie and Fannie in 2005 to get into the sub-prime market.



    I'm sorry, you just can't give a house to people who can't afford it on the backs of everyone else.



    The sub-prime mess started with California liberal companies and banks and reached into the Congress when it switched parties.



    Sorry about the rant, but if people are paying too much or underwater on their mortgages, they certainly don't have as much to spend on luxuries or new computer toys like a iTablet.



    When the government starts raising the property taxes, expect the rents to go up and tent cities to pop up like it is already happening in California.



    This entire post was not helpful at all.



    First of all, the tablet already has more content to put on it than any other device out there from movies, music, apps your own photos and videos, documents and soon probably magazines and newspapers. Regarding print subscriptions, they are expensive. If they can be delivered more efficiently, be read more easily, be a little cheaper and use no paper, they will be popular. Very popular. On that note, since we are moving to a "paperless" society what other devices (rumored or otherwise since all of them would be a rumor at this point) sound as good as Apples Tablet?



    Secondly why bring politics into the discussion, not helpful at all.



    Finally, tent cities? you have got to be kidding. I know things are bad and will get worse but those "cities" have been in cali since the 60's. They were there the whole time I lived in cali from 1995 to 2005. I live in NY where things are far worse than any other part of the country... Think we've never had homeless in NY before? Why exaggerate? Now we have some german kid thinking that America is "doomed". Well let me be the first to point out, that if America collapses, we'll be taking the rest of the world with us. China is no where near being a super power and they are the only ones with an economy and population large enough to even approach what the world would lose in America. Things aren't good by any means but stop with the "chicken little" BS. Clearly you read too much propaganda and have yet to learn to think for yourself.
  • Reply 78 of 93
    Dear Steve,



    Here's a reason why this delay is meaningful to you.



    As an owner of two 12" G4 Powerbooks, I'm not going to wait forever for a replacement.



    I need a portable "real" computer. An iPhone does not cut it. I recently tried to live with an iPhone for 3 months, sans PB. All I was doing was using other people's computers, and brushing up on my Windows skills. I need strong apps, portability and real I/O, beyond what AirSharing can deliver.



    "Upgrading" to one of your current offerings gives me a footprint that's at least 2" wider and weighs the same with the exception of the Air. Its been 5 years now and I don't think stepping backwards in time to have the pleasure of a larger portable computing device is a logical step to take.



    I don't care what it costs, just give me a portable.



    Apple User Since '84
  • Reply 79 of 93
    irelandireland Posts: 17,785member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post


    "Upgrading" to one of your current offerings gives me a footprint that's at least 2" wider and weighs the same with the exception of the Air. Its been 5 years now and I don't think stepping backwards in time to have the pleasure of a larger portable computing device is a logical step to take.



    Gen an Air, you'll find out that 2" doesn't matter when you get used to it, it's an excellent computer and very light and portable. Go to a store, close the lid and pick one up and get a feel for it. I was an Air-hater and I still don't like the trap door port idea, but I love form-factor of this computer. I do also have a 24" iMac though, so it makes sense for me.
  • Reply 80 of 93
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Since the inclusion of a 3G radio is entirely speculative, why is the iPhone being tossed around as a pricing reference, instead of the Touch?



    Apple makes and sells a very small touch based "tablet" with 64GB of memory, for $399.



    If they can do that, and do it profitably, I would imagine that they could make something somewhat larger, somewhat more powerful, with some number of additional features, for something at or less than twice the price. Particularly since a bigger form factor ameliorates some of the costs associated with extreme miniaturization, as has been noted.



    I realize it's always a bit dicey to make any assumptions at all about Apple pricing, but surely the Touch is the relevant product we should be referencing for hints as to what Apple might charge for a larger tablet?
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