Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of iPhone owners jailbroke their iPhones... then APPROVED the process of installing SSH... and then promptly allowed themselves to be exposed to the iPhone's first WORM by not changing their root password. Smart, huh?
If Apple delivers iPhone already Jail-broken, with SSH installed and first thing it ask you is the new password - the very same way it is handled on Mac OS X - none of this "WORM" stuff for iPhones with default password would ever surface. Even smarter, huh ?
Non allowing porn on iPhone is security hole. People will always want it, so there will always be demand for jailbreak and it is possible we'll see more diabolic attacks in the future. This makes iPhone as whole "not so secure platform". Hope Apple realizes this and gets rid of this artificial protection which is only driven by the 30% they get from each application sold and all the security talk is just camouflage.
Patrick, try to learn with the fact the world is the wild place filled with multiple copies of Reversi, that are only slightly different. With proper training and deep breathing, you can handle it. Or should we introduce the law anyone who thinks about another copy of Reversi gets executed ?
Brainless, clearly I was using it as an example. The point I was making, which you clearly missed is that Apple is very strict on some things but completely lax on others.
Brainless, clearly I was using it as an example. The point I was making, which you clearly missed is that Apple is very strict on some things but completely lax on others.
Got your example. But what is wrong on that ? What you can do about multiple versions of Reversi ? Your point is that once we have single Reversi implementation, no others are ever considered ? AppStore needs to be improved, but I don't want to see it to move in this direction.
What like applications that convert video on a computer to iPhone formats or using Safari to save photo's from websites to your camera roll for perusing outside "network coverage"?
You do know that such Apps are banned in quite a few countries, so Apple should flaunt the law?
Grow a brain.
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Originally Posted by Brainless
I was referring to porn applications. Safari bookmark isn't probably that much helpful if you are out of network coverage.
What like applications that convert video on a computer to iPhone formats or using Safari to save photo's from websites to your camera roll for perusing outside "network coverage"?
Sure. If you are in it, you not only convert that video, but you can shoot it yourself using your own webcamera...but this is solution just for you, not for the average Joe.
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Originally Posted by hill60
You do know that such Apps are banned in quite a few countries, so Apple should flaunt the law?
You can install such apps on your Mac (or any other phone that allows uncensored third party applications), which laws Apple flaunted to do this and why Jobs is not it jail for releasing Mac OS "so insecure" ?
Despite a line in the National Classification Code stating that "adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want", the adult R18+ classification does not currently exist for video games.
The OFLC took a strict stance with video games. Video game classification in Australia is the most strict in the Western World in terms of not having an adult's rating (R18+). Currently only Michael Atkinson, South Australian Attorney-General opposes the R18 classification introduction and is also blocking the release of a public paper that canvasses the opinion of the Australian public on whether or not an R18 classification should be introduced. Studies done by Bond University indicate that a majority of people whom they interviewed want an R18 rating to be introduced and many psychologists back this study and condemn the position of Michael Atkinson. In a recent 6 page response to a letter he recieved regarding R18+ classification, Atkinson stated that "this issue has little traction with my consituents who are more concerned with real-life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds"[3]
Not on X-Box, PC, PS3, Nintendo, Mac or phone unless you obtain them illegally.
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Originally Posted by Brainless
You can install such apps on your Mac (or any other phone that allows uncensored third party applications), which laws Apple flaunted to do this and why Jobs is not it jail for releasing Mac OS "so insecure" ?
Despite a line in the National Classification Code stating that "adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want", the adult R18+ classification does not currently exist for video games.
The OFLC took a strict stance with video games. Video game classification in Australia is the most strict in the Western World in terms of not having an adult's rating (R18+). Currently only Michael Atkinson, South Australian Attorney-General opposes the R18 classification introduction and is also blocking the release of a public paper that canvasses the opinion of the Australian public on whether or not an R18 classification should be introduced. Studies done by Bond University indicate that a majority of people whom they interviewed want an R18 rating to be introduced and many psychologists back this study and condemn the position of Michael Atkinson. In a recent 6 page response to a letter he recieved regarding R18+ classification, Atkinson stated that "this issue has little traction with my consituents who are more concerned with real-life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds"[3]
Not on X-Box, PC, PS3, Nintendo, Mac or phone unless you obtain them illegally.
I don't want to get into dispute with you about the rating system (I think mandatory rating system is useless, if the parents don't really care...would love to see any study showing actual numbers of R18+ rated content before and after this classification was introduced).
You said Apple can't open iPhone for non-classified content because then iPhone would be illegal in Australia... is that correct ? But wait ... what does Apple do for Mac...you can install such content on your Mac, can't you ? Is Apple breaking any laws there ? If it does, somebody should be put in jail, right ? If it doesn't, how is it different from iPhone situation ? Your logic is absurd.
You can have almost 32GB of pure porn on an iPhone if you want and as many bookmarks pertaining to porn in Safari as you can find in a Google search.
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
They are illegal in Australia, you cannot "install them on a Mac", you cannot install them anywhere, you cannot buy such applications for ANY platform.
R-rated games and applications do not legally exist in Australia.
Apple has the right to sell whatever they want, you have the right to buy another platform if you don't like it.
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Originally Posted by Brainless
I don't want to get into dispute with you about the rating system (I think mandatory rating system is useless, if the parents don't really care...would love to see any study showing actual numbers of R18+ rated content before and after this classification was introduced).
You said Apple can't open iPhone for non-classified content because then iPhone would be illegal in Australia... is that correct ? But wait ... what does Apple do for Mac...you can install such content on your Mac, can't you ? Is Apple breaking any laws there ? If it does, somebody should be put in jail, right ? If it doesn't, how is it different from iPhone situation ? Your logic is absurd.
An application like that would be illegal in Australia.
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Originally Posted by tonton
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
They are illegal in Australia, you cannot "install them on a Mac", you cannot install them anywhere, you cannot buy such applications for ANY platform.
R-rated games and applications do not legally exist in Australia.
An application like that would be illegal in Australia.
So if you - as you say - can't install it on Mac in Australia, why you need that super secure AppStore for iPhone, if the protection scheme for Mac is enough. You said that Apple needs to screen apps in store otherwise it is illegal in some countries. On the Mac it doesn't do it, yet Mac is not illegal there. Implication : classification is not needed on AppStore if it is not needed on Mac.
You're defending non-defendable.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Apple has the right to sell whatever they want, you have the right to buy another platform if you don't like it.
Sure. I also have the right to complain about things I don't like and that is just what I do. I just don't agree to this "iPhone is more secure" because it is simply not true. The main reason why it has AppStore that has monopoly over distribution is these cozy 30% Apple gets. This whole "security bull..it" is just propaganda. I as an user want more choices, such as Google Voice (don't think it is any security problem), and Apple is not delivering. Clearly a disadvantage for me.
Another thing : I don't want those nonsenses to become a worldwide norm. The Australian rating system is awful, hope it is just anomaly, that gets corrected and not the preview of the crazy world to come, paved by all "secure" AppStores and other forms of censorship.
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
It just shows that there is demand for the porn..no I am not obsessed with it, for me it is just example to show you that restrictions as this doesn't make the platform more secure, but quite contrary, make it more a risk. If there is demand, people will go for jailbreaks and potentially they will install the version which is really dangerous. If the platform is open, there would be no such need and vulnerability. It is same as drugs : if they are legally available, there would never be so many criminals around you and the number of people who take drugs would be about the same.
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Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of iPhone owners jailbroke their iPhones... then APPROVED the process of installing SSH... and then promptly allowed themselves to be exposed to the iPhone's first WORM by not changing their root password. Smart, huh?
If Apple delivers iPhone already Jail-broken, with SSH installed and first thing it ask you is the new password - the very same way it is handled on Mac OS X - none of this "WORM" stuff for iPhones with default password would ever surface. Even smarter, huh ?
Non allowing porn on iPhone is security hole. People will always want it, so there will always be demand for jailbreak and it is possible we'll see more diabolic attacks in the future. This makes iPhone as whole "not so secure platform". Hope Apple realizes this and gets rid of this artificial protection which is only driven by the 30% they get from each application sold and all the security talk is just camouflage.
Patrick, try to learn with the fact the world is the wild place filled with multiple copies of Reversi, that are only slightly different. With proper training and deep breathing, you can handle it. Or should we introduce the law anyone who thinks about another copy of Reversi gets executed ?
Brainless, clearly I was using it as an example. The point I was making, which you clearly missed is that Apple is very strict on some things but completely lax on others.
Brainless, clearly I was using it as an example. The point I was making, which you clearly missed is that Apple is very strict on some things but completely lax on others.
Got your example. But what is wrong on that ? What you can do about multiple versions of Reversi ? Your point is that once we have single Reversi implementation, no others are ever considered ? AppStore needs to be improved, but I don't want to see it to move in this direction.
You can have almost 32GB of pure porn on an iPhone if you want and as many bookmarks pertaining to porn in Safari as you can find in a Google search.
Non allowing porn on iPhone is security hole...
Who doesn't allow porn on iPhones?
You can have almost 32GB of pure porn on an iPhone if you want and as many bookmarks pertaining to porn in Safari as you can find in a Google search.
I was referring to porn applications. Safari bookmark isn't probably that much helpful if you are out of network coverage.
You do know that such Apps are banned in quite a few countries, so Apple should flaunt the law?
Grow a brain.
I was referring to porn applications. Safari bookmark isn't probably that much helpful if you are out of network coverage.
What like applications that convert video on a computer to iPhone formats or using Safari to save photo's from websites to your camera roll for perusing outside "network coverage"?
Sure. If you are in it, you not only convert that video, but you can shoot it yourself using your own webcamera...but this is solution just for you, not for the average Joe.
You do know that such Apps are banned in quite a few countries, so Apple should flaunt the law?
You can install such apps on your Mac (or any other phone that allows uncensored third party applications), which laws Apple flaunted to do this and why Jobs is not it jail for releasing Mac OS "so insecure" ?
Grow a brain.
Quite cheap rant, don't you think ?
Classification of video games
Despite a line in the National Classification Code stating that "adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want", the adult R18+ classification does not currently exist for video games.
The OFLC took a strict stance with video games. Video game classification in Australia is the most strict in the Western World in terms of not having an adult's rating (R18+). Currently only Michael Atkinson, South Australian Attorney-General opposes the R18 classification introduction and is also blocking the release of a public paper that canvasses the opinion of the Australian public on whether or not an R18 classification should be introduced. Studies done by Bond University indicate that a majority of people whom they interviewed want an R18 rating to be introduced and many psychologists back this study and condemn the position of Michael Atkinson. In a recent 6 page response to a letter he recieved regarding R18+ classification, Atkinson stated that "this issue has little traction with my consituents who are more concerned with real-life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds"[3]
Source:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...ion_(Australia)
Not on X-Box, PC, PS3, Nintendo, Mac or phone unless you obtain them illegally.
You can install such apps on your Mac (or any other phone that allows uncensored third party applications), which laws Apple flaunted to do this and why Jobs is not it jail for releasing Mac OS "so insecure" ?
Not in Australia, you can't:-
Classification of video games
Despite a line in the National Classification Code stating that "adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want", the adult R18+ classification does not currently exist for video games.
The OFLC took a strict stance with video games. Video game classification in Australia is the most strict in the Western World in terms of not having an adult's rating (R18+). Currently only Michael Atkinson, South Australian Attorney-General opposes the R18 classification introduction and is also blocking the release of a public paper that canvasses the opinion of the Australian public on whether or not an R18 classification should be introduced. Studies done by Bond University indicate that a majority of people whom they interviewed want an R18 rating to be introduced and many psychologists back this study and condemn the position of Michael Atkinson. In a recent 6 page response to a letter he recieved regarding R18+ classification, Atkinson stated that "this issue has little traction with my consituents who are more concerned with real-life issues than home entertainment in imaginary worlds"[3]
Source:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...ion_(Australia)
Not on X-Box, PC, PS3, Nintendo, Mac or phone unless you obtain them illegally.
I don't want to get into dispute with you about the rating system (I think mandatory rating system is useless, if the parents don't really care...would love to see any study showing actual numbers of R18+ rated content before and after this classification was introduced).
You said Apple can't open iPhone for non-classified content because then iPhone would be illegal in Australia... is that correct ? But wait ... what does Apple do for Mac...you can install such content on your Mac, can't you ? Is Apple breaking any laws there ? If it does, somebody should be put in jail, right ? If it doesn't, how is it different from iPhone situation ? Your logic is absurd.
Who doesn't allow porn on iPhones?
You can have almost 32GB of pure porn on an iPhone if you want and as many bookmarks pertaining to porn in Safari as you can find in a Google search.
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
R-rated games and applications do not legally exist in Australia.
Apple has the right to sell whatever they want, you have the right to buy another platform if you don't like it.
I don't want to get into dispute with you about the rating system (I think mandatory rating system is useless, if the parents don't really care...would love to see any study showing actual numbers of R18+ rated content before and after this classification was introduced).
You said Apple can't open iPhone for non-classified content because then iPhone would be illegal in Australia... is that correct ? But wait ... what does Apple do for Mac...you can install such content on your Mac, can't you ? Is Apple breaking any laws there ? If it does, somebody should be put in jail, right ? If it doesn't, how is it different from iPhone situation ? Your logic is absurd.
An application like that would be illegal in Australia.
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
They are illegal in Australia, you cannot "install them on a Mac", you cannot install them anywhere, you cannot buy such applications for ANY platform.
R-rated games and applications do not legally exist in Australia.
An application like that would be illegal in Australia.
So if you - as you say - can't install it on Mac in Australia, why you need that super secure AppStore for iPhone, if the protection scheme for Mac is enough. You said that Apple needs to screen apps in store otherwise it is illegal in some countries. On the Mac it doesn't do it, yet Mac is not illegal there. Implication : classification is not needed on AppStore if it is not needed on Mac.
You're defending non-defendable.
Apple has the right to sell whatever they want, you have the right to buy another platform if you don't like it.
Sure. I also have the right to complain about things I don't like and that is just what I do. I just don't agree to this "iPhone is more secure" because it is simply not true. The main reason why it has AppStore that has monopoly over distribution is these cozy 30% Apple gets. This whole "security bull..it" is just propaganda. I as an user want more choices, such as Google Voice (don't think it is any security problem), and Apple is not delivering. Clearly a disadvantage for me.
Another thing : I don't want those nonsenses to become a worldwide norm. The Australian rating system is awful, hope it is just anomaly, that gets corrected and not the preview of the crazy world to come, paved by all "secure" AppStores and other forms of censorship.
Haha, but what about interactive porn? You know, an iPhone app that shows a woman's naked, fully exposed body would create an entirely new definition of "touch interface".
It just shows that there is demand for the porn..no I am not obsessed with it, for me it is just example to show you that restrictions as this doesn't make the platform more secure, but quite contrary, make it more a risk. If there is demand, people will go for jailbreaks and potentially they will install the version which is really dangerous. If the platform is open, there would be no such need and vulnerability. It is same as drugs : if they are legally available, there would never be so many criminals around you and the number of people who take drugs would be about the same.