Same magazine who sat around while Obama fooled his own country.
Ireland your spellcheck is broke, I fixed your post for you.
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GOOD!
Glad to see some competition for the iPhone.
One of the few posts on this topic that makes sense. I agree and hope this spurs Apple into making iPhone version 4 an even better product.
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Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
I'll bet you $5 Obama is it in 2009.
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This is just utter, raving, lunatic nonsense.
Actually I thought the original post made a lot of sense, and from what I've read and heard is what happened. Can you enlighten us all as to what was wrong with the information given?
I don't think you get it. They're talking about what's new and exciting in the world, that's the entire point of their "Top 10 of Everything" series. I've got the iPhone 3GS and I love it, but they're very much correct in that it's more or less the same thing we've used for years. There's a lot that's new and exciting about Droid, even if you seem to think it's terrible (which I certainly do not). It made #1 because it made waves in the market, not because it's the "best phone".
The iPhone 3GS is the iPhone 3G with under under the hood tweaks. The Droid is all-new. It should not surprise anyone that it tops the iPhone in a "top X of 2009" list. Books from 2007/2008 may still be great, but they don't make the top of the Top 10 Books of 2009 list when a new edition is released.
Yes, the Droid is new, but could you tell me what's "new and exciting" about it? I've played with one and I just don't see it.
Oh, yet another squabble over nothing and 4-letters flying over the topic. Just as on french forums...
Our obscenities are usually way milder, though.
Je pense que les Français ont tendance Ã* faire avec un peu plus style, cependant. Il sonne plus comme un duel, plutôt que les enfants combats. N'est-ce pas?
And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
The Bush Treasury had to take control and fire the CEO's of both Freddie and Fannie, after repeatably warning the out of control new Congress about their "Socializing the risks and privatizing the profits" - Alan Greenspan to Congress, concerning the two GSE's. It's this stopping of their socialist "everyone has a right to own a house" ideals is the reason they blamed the Bush administration for the near worldwide economic collapse, when it really was their fault of irresponsible mandatory lending to the GSE's and banks under the Community Reinvestment Act revisions made by socialist Bill Clinton.
In a real estate bubble, it's speculative, a game of musical chairs, the last owning the property loses.
It's a game not for the working, struggling or the poor. But the Democratic controlled Congress made it so.
Conservative banks are doing fine today. The banks that managed to dump their toxic sub-prime mortgages before the bubble blew are also doing ok. Everyone who prepared for the downside are doing ok today.
Everyone who has taken even a entry level economics course in high school know what a post real estate bubble recession is. What made this one so much worse was the sub-prime.
Rich people usually only gamble with what they have extra, not their only house.
Where did the first and most banks fail than anywhere else? California.
Where the sub-prime lending mess started? California.
Where is the "home" of the liberal media empire? California.
Read Charles Gasperino's book: The Sellout. Explains who is responsible for making this mess worse than it is.
Media needs a horse race. Much easier to write stores on that than to do actual reporting.
Its the same reason that the media in 2000 built up Bush and hammered Gore. Not singling out that particular race, because they do it every time. Build up the underdog and hammer the leader in order to make it a more interesting horse race.
i cannot wait for an article published in time about windows being the operating system of the century...
i'm sure mossberg will write it
Exactly. Cheap advertising stunt on the part of Motorola. They have been deep fried in the mobile market, and almost forgotten in Europe, and that's it. Samsung, LG, HTC and the like have better (and cheaper) devices than Droid ...
And this talk about 'buzz about Droid' surpassing other brands does not necessarily mean that it will translate into sales. Reminds me of Burberry recently boasting about having more friends on Facebook than any other high-fashion brand, while in fact selling a small fraction of what the likes of LVMH, Chanel or Gucci sell.
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
Umm.. when they say "best-of-breed 3G network" I think they are talking about Verizon.
Whether it's the best or not depends on how you measure the metric. It's more reliable and more widespread, but it's not the fastest nor does it allow simultaneous voice and data. And as for the reliability part, come back when there are 25 million Droids on it increasing the network data usage 5000%. I'm not an AT&T apologist, but lets compare the situations fairly.
That's one sad looking OS on the Droid, that's for sure.
But I'm sure your own test might show differently. Can we see it?
Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.
Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users.
Do you have an iphone? I do, and I can tell you that simultaneous voice and data is one of the features I use the most on my phone. It is extremely useful.
Good for the Droid. It’s easy to give an Apple product the top placement each year but let’s face it it’s boring. In many ways the Droid is well below even the original iPhone but this isn’t really about what is best it’s about selling magazines and the Droid did actually sell very well for a non-iPhone smartphone. Selling 200K it’s first weekend is pretty damn good for Moto. I agree with the essence of Time’s ranking.
Let’s take Time’s rankings with an enormous grain of salt. They don’t know tech, they are just trying to push print. Let’s look back at some of their notable Persons of the Year:
1938 — Adolf Hitler
1939 — Joseph Stalin
1942 — Joseph Stalin
1971 — Richard Nixon
1972 — Richard Nixon
1982 — The Computer (seriously!)
1988 — The Endangered Earth (why even take this magazine seriously?)
2004 — George W. Bush (for 2000 sure, but 2004, not so much)
2006 — You (yes, You were Time magazine’s person of the year )
If anyone can find a list of Time’s other ranking for technology I’d love to see them. I’m sure it’s somewhere along the lines of those old black and white Popular Mechanics/Science vids that show how a “housewife” in the future will have it so easy with an automated kitchen.
Too many people with their heads in the sand - wittering about Time itself, or Verizon, isn't the point. At least Apple won't have their heads in the sand, they'll be taking all newcomer threats serious internally.
Android is a good mobile operating system, although in some places it is a little green still.
I have a HTC Hero because it came with everything I needed for a lot less per month. It's the equivalent of an iPhone 3G, CPU wise, and 3GS for other features.
It works very well. Widgets on the screens are very useful, rather than application launchers only. The notifications work well. Contact management is easy, and ties in with Facebook and Flickr (and hopefully more as time passes, but I think the Palm Pre probably wins in this regard). I can drag and drop media to the removable storage (although I am actually a fan of just building enough inside in the first place). The browser is fast. Email is good. The app store is still rather primitive however, but at least there is one, and I expect when I get the Android 2.1 firmware update that this will be improved. Even the software keyboard is good, with all the auto-correct features of the iPhone's keyboard, and some nice features (I don't understand why the Droid has a hardware keyboard, it must appeal to some people though). There's an app for taking a music file and creating a ring tone out of it, on the phone itself (although the phone can use any media as a ringtone anyway). The device is a lot more open.
But it is younger. But the threat is there. The masses of Android phones appearing on the market in the next few months will really do wonders for marketshare for Android, and application availability.
I expect iPhone 4 to have a presentation that includes widgets on the screens, and for the Apple faithful to ooh and ahh over it as if it was an innovation. But at least it would have a very desirable feature, and thus be a better device for all that.
Edit: One thing though, the multitasking leaves a lot of applications running, which eats up memory, and many applications don't have an option to quit, or quit when leaving. The device has 288MB of RAM, yet you can be down to 40MB free after a few hours of usage. Even with no apps running, it looks like Android and its subsystems and the HTC Sense UI (and widgets) uses over 180MB. Most of that is probably down to the ridiculous animations on the weather widget thinking about it...
Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.
The Droid's interface looks *different*. Might be part of the novelty, might not.
I do like the Droid's momentum scrolling speed. That's a nice touch.
When the iPhone came out, there was nothing else like it. Take away MMS, tethering, copy and paste, and the gen 1 iPhone *still* represented something completely new and revolutionary.
All Google needs to do (and it's a tall order) is evolve a mobile/computer ecosystem as attractive, seamless and robust as Apple's.
I like both devices and I think the article was okay to name the droid number one. Honestly what's the last phone beside the iPhone to sell so many units on the first weekend and in the first month. Face it the droid is one of the best competitions to the iPhone and that's good. With competition the consumers get cheaper and better products with new innovating features. As far as the AT&T vs verizon thing, both have their ups and downs. Consumers should get the network that works for them. For me verizon is the best choice since they have 3G up here in the artic north. My brother switched from verizon to AT&T and hates it but loves his iPhone. The iPhone is still an amazing phone and I love the droid and it's design and what google is bringing to the market. I'm excited to see what apple and google both bring in their updates to come and the new competition. Before android it was just the iPhone. Now we have a couple of different OSes forcing Apple to keep applying more and more innovation. If it wasn't for the competition we wouldn't have half the features there are now on cell phones or any consumer product for that matter.
Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
All poor choices, albeit Stalin may have warranted making it three years in a row from 1943 to 1945.
Hey APPLE...keep on selling your phone on ONE single cellular provider and it may come back to bite you on the ass.
Will you please wake up? Not only one carrier helps bottleneck your sales, but of all things its AT&T which has HORRIBLE mind share even if the problems of the 3G service is untrue.
Apple you know its true. You could have had the market even more cornered but you left the competitors an open crack.
I would be willing to bet that Apple could have sold another 10 million phones this year had it untied itself to the currently worst reputable cell phone carrier. That would mean LESS for Google and MORE for Apple.
Je pense que les Français ont tendance Ã* faire avec un peu plus style, cependant. Il sonne plus comme un duel, plutôt que les enfants combats. N'est-ce pas?
Avec du style??? T'as tort, mon vieux. A vrai dire, c'est tjs la guerre de tous contre tous. Honteuse et stupide.
Not because the Man of the Year picks. Those aren't necessarily honors -- they often point to someone who caused the most news that year.
Time sucks because they put our beloved iPhone behind a $300+ table fan! It is not even original. Dyson has simply popularized something that has been around for at least 20 years. Look up the Coanda Effect and you'll see what I mean.
The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.
Yeah, since Apple has never push through that wall with another new idea. Too bad they aren't innovative.
Just like "man of the year" doesn't mean "best man of the year", the "Number one gadget" doesn't mean the "best gadget." I would tend to agree with Time, that the Android is a far more important gadget this year than the 3GS.
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Same magazine who sat around while Obama fooled his own country.
Ireland your spellcheck is broke, I fixed your post for you.
GOOD!
Glad to see some competition for the iPhone.
One of the few posts on this topic that makes sense. I agree and hope this spurs Apple into making iPhone version 4 an even better product.
Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
I'll bet you $5 Obama is it in 2009.
This is just utter, raving, lunatic nonsense.
Actually I thought the original post made a lot of sense, and from what I've read and heard is what happened. Can you enlighten us all as to what was wrong with the information given?
I don't think you get it. They're talking about what's new and exciting in the world, that's the entire point of their "Top 10 of Everything" series. I've got the iPhone 3GS and I love it, but they're very much correct in that it's more or less the same thing we've used for years. There's a lot that's new and exciting about Droid, even if you seem to think it's terrible (which I certainly do not). It made #1 because it made waves in the market, not because it's the "best phone".
The iPhone 3GS is the iPhone 3G with under under the hood tweaks. The Droid is all-new. It should not surprise anyone that it tops the iPhone in a "top X of 2009" list. Books from 2007/2008 may still be great, but they don't make the top of the Top 10 Books of 2009 list when a new edition is released.
Yes, the Droid is new, but could you tell me what's "new and exciting" about it? I've played with one and I just don't see it.
Oh, yet another squabble over nothing and 4-letters flying over the topic. Just as on french forums...
Our obscenities are usually way milder, though.
Je pense que les Français ont tendance Ã* faire avec un peu plus style, cependant. Il sonne plus comme un duel, plutôt que les enfants combats. N'est-ce pas?
And Bush deserved it, don't lump him with the other criminals.
Bush and the Treasury created a wonderful real estate bubble that put a lot of people to work. Only fools didn't know what it was.
It was the Congress that changed hands under Bush and California (yea that bankrupt I.O.U giving California) liberal socialist ideals that got some banks AND the government controlled Freddie and Fannie into the failure of the sub-prime market in 2005. Their failure to adhere to the tried and true three rules of lending: Credit, Collateral and Character; is the primary reason our economy is in the mess that's it's in.
The Bush Treasury had to take control and fire the CEO's of both Freddie and Fannie, after repeatably warning the out of control new Congress about their "Socializing the risks and privatizing the profits" - Alan Greenspan to Congress, concerning the two GSE's. It's this stopping of their socialist "everyone has a right to own a house" ideals is the reason they blamed the Bush administration for the near worldwide economic collapse, when it really was their fault of irresponsible mandatory lending to the GSE's and banks under the Community Reinvestment Act revisions made by socialist Bill Clinton.
In a real estate bubble, it's speculative, a game of musical chairs, the last owning the property loses.
It's a game not for the working, struggling or the poor. But the Democratic controlled Congress made it so.
Conservative banks are doing fine today. The banks that managed to dump their toxic sub-prime mortgages before the bubble blew are also doing ok. Everyone who prepared for the downside are doing ok today.
Everyone who has taken even a entry level economics course in high school know what a post real estate bubble recession is. What made this one so much worse was the sub-prime.
Rich people usually only gamble with what they have extra, not their only house.
Where did the first and most banks fail than anywhere else? California.
Where the sub-prime lending mess started? California.
Where is the "home" of the liberal media empire? California.
Read Charles Gasperino's book: The Sellout. Explains who is responsible for making this mess worse than it is.
Wow - you really believe it too.
Its the same reason that the media in 2000 built up Bush and hammered Gore. Not singling out that particular race, because they do it every time. Build up the underdog and hammer the leader in order to make it a more interesting horse race.
Same thing here.
i cannot wait for an article published in time about windows being the operating system of the century...
i'm sure mossberg will write it
Exactly. Cheap advertising stunt on the part of Motorola. They have been deep fried in the mobile market, and almost forgotten in Europe, and that's it. Samsung, LG, HTC and the like have better (and cheaper) devices than Droid ...
And this talk about 'buzz about Droid' surpassing other brands does not necessarily mean that it will translate into sales. Reminds me of Burberry recently boasting about having more friends on Facebook than any other high-fashion brand, while in fact selling a small fraction of what the likes of LVMH, Chanel or Gucci sell.
They are talking about the Droid hardware not the Verizon or ATT network. Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users. Verizons network blows away ATT.
Umm.. when they say "best-of-breed 3G network" I think they are talking about Verizon.
Whether it's the best or not depends on how you measure the metric. It's more reliable and more widespread, but it's not the fastest nor does it allow simultaneous voice and data. And as for the reliability part, come back when there are 25 million Droids on it increasing the network data usage 5000%. I'm not an AT&T apologist, but lets compare the situations fairly.
No, I'm pulling it off the web. Engadget did the test.
http://dailymobile.se/2009/10/29/mot...er-speed-test/
http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2009/11...phone-3gs.html
http://www.iphoneheat.com/2009/10/br...-3gs-vs-droid/
http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-...ser-speed-test
http://www.funkyspacemonkey.com/ipho...eed-test-video
That's one sad looking OS on the Droid, that's for sure.
But I'm sure your own test might show differently. Can we see it?
Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.
Most users could care less about simultaneous voice and data, its just become a pathetic talking point for ATT users.
Do you have an iphone? I do, and I can tell you that simultaneous voice and data is one of the features I use the most on my phone. It is extremely useful.
Let’s take Time’s rankings with an enormous grain of salt. They don’t know tech, they are just trying to push print. Let’s look back at some of their notable Persons of the Year:
- 1938 — Adolf Hitler
- 1939 — Joseph Stalin
- 1942 — Joseph Stalin
- 1971 — Richard Nixon
- 1972 — Richard Nixon
- 1982 — The Computer (seriously!)
- 1988 — The Endangered Earth (why even take this magazine seriously?)
- 2004 — George W. Bush (for 2000 sure, but 2004, not so much)
- 2006 — You (yes, You were Time magazine’s person of the year
)
If anyone can find a list of Time’s other ranking for technology I’d love to see them. I’m sure it’s somewhere along the lines of those old black and white Popular Mechanics/Science vids that show how a “housewife” in the future will have it so easy with an automated kitchen.Android is a good mobile operating system, although in some places it is a little green still.
I have a HTC Hero because it came with everything I needed for a lot less per month. It's the equivalent of an iPhone 3G, CPU wise, and 3GS for other features.
It works very well. Widgets on the screens are very useful, rather than application launchers only. The notifications work well. Contact management is easy, and ties in with Facebook and Flickr (and hopefully more as time passes, but I think the Palm Pre probably wins in this regard). I can drag and drop media to the removable storage (although I am actually a fan of just building enough inside in the first place). The browser is fast. Email is good. The app store is still rather primitive however, but at least there is one, and I expect when I get the Android 2.1 firmware update that this will be improved. Even the software keyboard is good, with all the auto-correct features of the iPhone's keyboard, and some nice features (I don't understand why the Droid has a hardware keyboard, it must appeal to some people though). There's an app for taking a music file and creating a ring tone out of it, on the phone itself (although the phone can use any media as a ringtone anyway). The device is a lot more open.
But it is younger. But the threat is there. The masses of Android phones appearing on the market in the next few months will really do wonders for marketshare for Android, and application availability.
I expect iPhone 4 to have a presentation that includes widgets on the screens, and for the Apple faithful to ooh and ahh over it as if it was an innovation. But at least it would have a very desirable feature, and thus be a better device for all that.
Edit: One thing though, the multitasking leaves a lot of applications running, which eats up memory, and many applications don't have an option to quit, or quit when leaving. The device has 288MB of RAM, yet you can be down to 40MB free after a few hours of usage. Even with no apps running, it looks like Android and its subsystems and the HTC Sense UI (and widgets) uses over 180MB. Most of that is probably down to the ridiculous animations on the weather widget thinking about it...
Good links. What I saw was iPhone faster a bit on wifi yet Droid functions faster like scrolling. But I will say the iPhone without a doubt appears to have faster browser speeds. I would however hardly say the Droid OS is looking sad. I used the Droid for about a week and its very good gen1 phone. Android will only get better, is not like the iPhone was perfect when it first came out. Far from it.
The Droid's interface looks *different*. Might be part of the novelty, might not.
I do like the Droid's momentum scrolling speed. That's a nice touch.
When the iPhone came out, there was nothing else like it. Take away MMS, tethering, copy and paste, and the gen 1 iPhone *still* represented something completely new and revolutionary.
All Google needs to do (and it's a tall order) is evolve a mobile/computer ecosystem as attractive, seamless and robust as Apple's.
Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. George W. Bush was also picked twice, 2000 & 2004.
All poor choices, albeit Stalin may have warranted making it three years in a row from 1943 to 1945.
Will you please wake up? Not only one carrier helps bottleneck your sales, but of all things its AT&T which has HORRIBLE mind share even if the problems of the 3G service is untrue.
Apple you know its true. You could have had the market even more cornered but you left the competitors an open crack.
I would be willing to bet that Apple could have sold another 10 million phones this year had it untied itself to the currently worst reputable cell phone carrier. That would mean LESS for Google and MORE for Apple.
Je pense que les Français ont tendance Ã* faire avec un peu plus style, cependant. Il sonne plus comme un duel, plutôt que les enfants combats. N'est-ce pas?
Avec du style???
Time sucks because they put our beloved iPhone behind a $300+ table fan! It is not even original. Dyson has simply popularized something that has been around for at least 20 years. Look up the Coanda Effect and you'll see what I mean.
The iPhone has reached its peak. There isn't anything major that can be added to the iPhone at this point. Sorry but there are no "game changers" as you like to put it.
Yeah, since Apple has never push through that wall with another new idea. Too bad they aren't innovative.
Yeah grabbing a quote from 1943 in regard to technology. That sounds about right for you.
Short sightedness is timeless.