If they actually do this I hope (and believe) that people will make this into a huge PR disaster for AT&T.
They are obviously the worst network, bar none.
Instead of blaming their users they should be fixing their piece of sh1t network
I don't think this will be any kind of a PR disaster for AT&T. How much bandwidth is consumed on a little iPhone by 95% of the users? It's not like the iPhone is some kind of server.
Contrast this with Verizon Wireless who actually have a lot of 3G cards in people's laptops. Aren't those laptops using far more bandwidth than an iPhone???
It's best to leave out the slams when replying to other people. I don't know what has people so upset today, we've had more complaints today than I see in a typical week or even month. Maybe the snowstorm is aggravating people's stress levels.
I'm tempted to drop a banhammer on people that call others morons, idiots, etc. rather than just hand out infractions. I really don't care if you think it's the truth, if you're going to be that rude, then you really shouldn't be posting. Several days off should do people some good.
I posted a rant that called nobody names and this jackass DanielSW decides to call me a moron, and you let it fly.
Naturally, I responded in kind, and now you log in to offer a few warnings for people who are long gone?
What is the matter with you?
If you would have done what you should have done, then I'd never have seen this douchebag calling me names in the first place.
I remember you once banning me for quoting a South Park joke about poor people smelling like sour milk, because that was BAD but calling people "Morons" and insinuating they're on "crack" is ok for you?
Seriously?
DO IT.
Give everybody, me included, a few days off. I didn't even start this but I can live with it on principle if it means the asshole in question goes away too.
I posted a rant that called nobody names and this jackass DanielSW decides to call me a moron, and you let it fly.
It got deleted an hour ago, shortly after you reported it. We can't nail this stuff immediately. We all do have other things to do with our time. I don't read AI during the day very much.
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Naturally, I responded in kind, and now you log in to offer a few warnings for people who are long gone?
Color me unsympathetic especially if someone flies off the handle like that. Someone wronging doesn't justify responding in kind. Just report it like you did, we don't need escalations.
I really don't understand why fellow customers keep blaming other customers as if they were in direct competition with each other. Take a look at AT&T's quarterly earnings. Their wireless is not a problem. If they have any profit it's because of that.
Trying to switch to a tiered system is not to 'save' the network, or the bandwidth, or reduce dropped calls. It's a pure money grab because other areas are hemorrhaging money.
A tiered system would indeed start at $30 and unlimited would sky rocket from there. They aren't going to sacrifice what they know they can get. And if you're on a lesser tier that tiered limit will be so low that your grandma would go over the limit each month and pay exorbitant fees that would push her way over the $30 a month. Have you looked and done any research on the data limit and price per kb the phone companies charge for their data plans?
Please keep in mind that the unlimited for $30 was pretty much Apple's idea to get people to use the services the iPhone provides. Really, without the $30 unlimited most people would never use or have even bought the iPhone. And because of the iPhone mobile services have taken off.
I'm not saying the iPhone is perfect. In reality, it's a better example of how badly all the Nokias and Motorolas sucked at producing phones that people wanted and could be used for more than just a phone.
And lastly, it's really AT&T's fault for not being able to handle the capacity. They had a crappy network long before the iPhone came out. I'm just glad I live in a smaller area where I don't notice it as much. I'm sure the execs at AT&T have been ignoring what their network engineers have been telling them for years. "We need upgrades." "We need more bandwidth." "We need capacity for peak times."
After all, it's AT&T that's cashing the check. It's their responsibility to take care of the problem. Not the customers.
The problem lies with the 3%. Many of them are tethering to their computers! They are hurting the rest of us. We need tiered pricing. Why should someone who only uses 500MB pay the same as someone using 10GB? The lighter users would love to pay $15/mo for data...
They'd like to... But they will pay $30/month and heavy users will pay $90. I don't belive that AT&T will reduce price for lightweight user
Actually, I think that's when the leaving begins...
I'm with you in spirit. However, when the carriers all do it, there is no alternative for which to leave. It will happen, and we will pay. The stench of oligopolies chokes technological innovation in the States, and here is another fine example.
I've said this before and I'll repeat it here.
My wife has a phone with Verizon. It's an enV Touch. She has unlimited messaging (MMS+SMS). 450 minutes. No e-mail, no internet. Her bill comes to $82 a month after taxes and fees.
I have an iPhone 3G. On AT&T. 450 minutes, 200 texts. My bill after taxes and fees is $86.
For all of you who think Verizon Wireless is the pinnacle of service, the awesomeness that can rip off AT&T's head and poop down it's neck, good luck. They will never offer a truly competitive price point for the iPhone's services that you enjoy with AT&T.
Unless....AT&T is going to screw us with tiered pricing and caps. Then, and only then, will Verizon be competitive. For all the wrong reasons, mind you.
It's best to leave out the slams when replying to other people. I don't know what has people so upset today, we've had more complaints today than I see in a typical week or even month. Maybe the snowstorm is aggravating people's stress levels.
I'm tempted to drop a banhammer on people that call others morons, idiots, etc. rather than just hand out infractions. I really don't care if you think it's the truth, if you're going to be that rude, then you really shouldn't be posting. Several days off should do people some good.
People finally found out how to use that little exclamation point over there, eh
It truly dumbs a conversation down when people just pop insults back and forth. I'd rather read YouTube comments for that, thanks
AT&T is rock solid where I am at and there are plenty of iPhone users here. Rarely a dropped call, download speeds average 1.5 Mbps and sometimes hits 2.2 Mbps. 850 Mhz spectrum. 7.2Mbps rollout here shortly. How can I complain?
They'd like to... But they will pay $30/month and heavy users will pay $90. I don't belive that AT&T will reduce price for lightweight user
They have to if they want to proof the fact that fair use helps to solve bandwidth problems and to show that they are trustworthy.
I'm no AT&T customer but I really would be glad to see a balanced and fair package of measures (including capacity expansion) being successful. I also demand a fair salary for my work - not more not less.
I'm not pleased about the "hot" discussions in this threat. As a dev I would much more like to see people enjoying technology we could not imagine some years ago instead of feeling they got too little for their money.
I'm with you in spirit. However, when the carriers all do it, there is no alternative for which to leave. It will happen, and we will pay. The stench of oligopolies chokes technological innovation in the States, and here is another fine example.
I've said this before and I'll repeat it here.
My wife has a phone with Verizon. It's an enV Touch. She has unlimited messaging (MMS+SMS). 450 minutes. No e-mail, no internet. Her bill comes to $82 a month after taxes and fees.
I have an iPhone 3G. On AT&T. 450 minutes, 200 texts. My bill after taxes and fees is $86.
For all of you who think Verizon Wireless is the pinnacle of service, the awesomeness that can rip off AT&T's head and poop down it's neck, good luck. They will never offer a truly competitive price point for the iPhone's services that you enjoy with AT&T.
Unless....AT&T is going to screw us with tiered pricing and caps. Then, and only then, will Verizon be competitive. For all the wrong reasons, mind you.
depending on where you live, get t-mobile. they actually give you a discount for not being in a 2 year contract.
500 minutes, unlimited talk and text for $40/month. add web and it's $60
It's unlimited meaning all you can GET not all you can USE or all you WANT. By the way, no one has a contract longer than two years. All ATT has to do is wait until your contract expires or renews to implement a new policy.
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It's super easy to be a bandwidth hog. For example lets say you enjoy pandora while at work. Here's a simple scenario that involves nothing but pandora:
Streaming Pandora at: 128 kbps
16,000 bytes per second
960,000 bytes per minute
57,000,000 bytes per hour (~57meg)
Assuming that you listen when you are at work:
9,216,000,000 bytes per month (based on 160 hours of work per month)
So you have used almost 10 gig of your infinity of bandwidth your contract says you can have.
That's without a single e-mail, web page, youtube video etc.
5 gig a month is easy even without tethering. So don't blame the jailbroken.
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This is really terrible.
If they actually do this I hope (and believe) that people will make this into a huge PR disaster for AT&T.
They are obviously the worst network, bar none.
Instead of blaming their users they should be fixing their piece of sh1t network
I don't think this will be any kind of a PR disaster for AT&T. How much bandwidth is consumed on a little iPhone by 95% of the users? It's not like the iPhone is some kind of server.
Contrast this with Verizon Wireless who actually have a lot of 3G cards in people's laptops. Aren't those laptops using far more bandwidth than an iPhone???
It's best to leave out the slams when replying to other people. I don't know what has people so upset today, we've had more complaints today than I see in a typical week or even month. Maybe the snowstorm is aggravating people's stress levels.
I'm tempted to drop a banhammer on people that call others morons, idiots, etc. rather than just hand out infractions. I really don't care if you think it's the truth, if you're going to be that rude, then you really shouldn't be posting. Several days off should do people some good.
I posted a rant that called nobody names and this jackass DanielSW decides to call me a moron, and you let it fly.
Naturally, I responded in kind, and now you log in to offer a few warnings for people who are long gone?
What is the matter with you?
If you would have done what you should have done, then I'd never have seen this douchebag calling me names in the first place.
I remember you once banning me for quoting a South Park joke about poor people smelling like sour milk, because that was BAD but calling people "Morons" and insinuating they're on "crack" is ok for you?
Seriously?
DO IT.
Give everybody, me included, a few days off. I didn't even start this but I can live with it on principle if it means the asshole in question goes away too.
I posted a rant that called nobody names and this jackass DanielSW decides to call me a moron, and you let it fly.
It got deleted an hour ago, shortly after you reported it. We can't nail this stuff immediately. We all do have other things to do with our time. I don't read AI during the day very much.
Naturally, I responded in kind, and now you log in to offer a few warnings for people who are long gone?
Color me unsympathetic especially if someone flies off the handle like that. Someone wronging doesn't justify responding in kind. Just report it like you did, we don't need escalations.
I pay less than that [$30/month] for home internet and can download all f--king day and night, with no restrictions.
Before you go all hyperbolic--oh, wait, you already did--you do realize wireless internet is a whole different animal from wired broadband?
Trying to switch to a tiered system is not to 'save' the network, or the bandwidth, or reduce dropped calls. It's a pure money grab because other areas are hemorrhaging money.
A tiered system would indeed start at $30 and unlimited would sky rocket from there. They aren't going to sacrifice what they know they can get. And if you're on a lesser tier that tiered limit will be so low that your grandma would go over the limit each month and pay exorbitant fees that would push her way over the $30 a month. Have you looked and done any research on the data limit and price per kb the phone companies charge for their data plans?
Please keep in mind that the unlimited for $30 was pretty much Apple's idea to get people to use the services the iPhone provides. Really, without the $30 unlimited most people would never use or have even bought the iPhone. And because of the iPhone mobile services have taken off.
I'm not saying the iPhone is perfect. In reality, it's a better example of how badly all the Nokias and Motorolas sucked at producing phones that people wanted and could be used for more than just a phone.
And lastly, it's really AT&T's fault for not being able to handle the capacity. They had a crappy network long before the iPhone came out. I'm just glad I live in a smaller area where I don't notice it as much. I'm sure the execs at AT&T have been ignoring what their network engineers have been telling them for years. "We need upgrades." "We need more bandwidth." "We need capacity for peak times."
After all, it's AT&T that's cashing the check. It's their responsibility to take care of the problem. Not the customers.
The problem lies with the 3%. Many of them are tethering to their computers! They are hurting the rest of us.
They'd like to... But they will pay $30/month and heavy users will pay $90. I don't belive that AT&T will reduce price for lightweight user
You pay for what you get. That's natural law. The only thing abusive here is yours and others' childish whining.
Its really not childish to expect what you pay for. I don't have an iPhone. But I would expect that Unlimited does indeed unlimited.
Actually, I think that's when the leaving begins...
I'm with you in spirit. However, when the carriers all do it, there is no alternative for which to leave. It will happen, and we will pay. The stench of oligopolies chokes technological innovation in the States, and here is another fine example.
I've said this before and I'll repeat it here.
My wife has a phone with Verizon. It's an enV Touch. She has unlimited messaging (MMS+SMS). 450 minutes. No e-mail, no internet. Her bill comes to $82 a month after taxes and fees.
I have an iPhone 3G. On AT&T. 450 minutes, 200 texts. My bill after taxes and fees is $86.
For all of you who think Verizon Wireless is the pinnacle of service, the awesomeness that can rip off AT&T's head and poop down it's neck, good luck. They will never offer a truly competitive price point for the iPhone's services that you enjoy with AT&T.
Unless....AT&T is going to screw us with tiered pricing and caps. Then, and only then, will Verizon be competitive. For all the wrong reasons, mind you.
It's best to leave out the slams when replying to other people. I don't know what has people so upset today, we've had more complaints today than I see in a typical week or even month. Maybe the snowstorm is aggravating people's stress levels.
I'm tempted to drop a banhammer on people that call others morons, idiots, etc. rather than just hand out infractions. I really don't care if you think it's the truth, if you're going to be that rude, then you really shouldn't be posting. Several days off should do people some good.
People finally found out how to use that little exclamation point over there, eh
It truly dumbs a conversation down when people just pop insults back and forth. I'd rather read YouTube comments for that, thanks
Oh, and banhammer.
They'd like to... But they will pay $30/month and heavy users will pay $90. I don't belive that AT&T will reduce price for lightweight user
They have to if they want to proof the fact that fair use helps to solve bandwidth problems and to show that they are trustworthy.
I'm no AT&T customer but I really would be glad to see a balanced and fair package of measures (including capacity expansion) being successful. I also demand a fair salary for my work - not more not less.
I'm not pleased about the "hot" discussions in this threat. As a dev I would much more like to see people enjoying technology we could not imagine some years ago instead of feeling they got too little for their money.
I'm with you in spirit. However, when the carriers all do it, there is no alternative for which to leave. It will happen, and we will pay. The stench of oligopolies chokes technological innovation in the States, and here is another fine example.
I've said this before and I'll repeat it here.
My wife has a phone with Verizon. It's an enV Touch. She has unlimited messaging (MMS+SMS). 450 minutes. No e-mail, no internet. Her bill comes to $82 a month after taxes and fees.
I have an iPhone 3G. On AT&T. 450 minutes, 200 texts. My bill after taxes and fees is $86.
For all of you who think Verizon Wireless is the pinnacle of service, the awesomeness that can rip off AT&T's head and poop down it's neck, good luck. They will never offer a truly competitive price point for the iPhone's services that you enjoy with AT&T.
Unless....AT&T is going to screw us with tiered pricing and caps. Then, and only then, will Verizon be competitive. For all the wrong reasons, mind you.
depending on where you live, get t-mobile. they actually give you a discount for not being in a 2 year contract.
500 minutes, unlimited talk and text for $40/month. add web and it's $60
(I'm not a bandwidth hog, but I'm just making a point.)
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Streaming Pandora at: 128 kbps
16,000 bytes per second
960,000 bytes per minute
57,000,000 bytes per hour (~57meg)
Assuming that you listen when you are at work:
9,216,000,000 bytes per month (based on 160 hours of work per month)
So you have used almost 10 gig of your infinity of bandwidth your contract says you can have.
That's without a single e-mail, web page, youtube video etc.
5 gig a month is easy even without tethering. So don't blame the jailbroken.
Sheldon
My plan is unlimited according to AT&T. That's what I signed up for. NO LIMIT.
A little critical thinking needs to be used. You signed a contract and that contract specifically stated what unlimited was.
using more than their "fair share"??? it's an UNLIMITED plan!!!!!
... which they can change.