This may not cut it with the EU. Obviously it did not with IE.
I think the whole point of the IE case was much different. Originally, uninstalling IE (while it was super difficult) would have detrimental effects on the OS as a whole. Instability at a minimum would result. WMP is just shitty and can be uninstalled without problems, other than the DRM issues and such AFAIK.
I think the whole point of the IE case was much different. Originally, uninstalling IE (while it was super difficult) would have detrimental effects on the OS as a whole. Instability at a minimum would result. WMP is just shitty and can be uninstalled without problems, other than the DRM issues and such AFAIK.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
Apologies, you are correct. It was the US v. MS case that brought up the shell ties between iexplore.exe and explorer.exe. No one seemed to follow up and make that stick though, apparently MS says computer manufacturers bitched about it, and Win7 E never did make it. Hence the EU case.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
To give competitors a level playing-field? I think that was the purpose of the lottery solution for the browser. Media players are arguably just as important, but I'm not sure that importance figured in to this solution. If Microsoft disadvantages other competitors, a similar case can be made for any type of software bundled with Windows. I think they may have opened a Pandora's box.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
When their calculator application has detrimental impact on innovation of competing technologies, commands a 90% market share, and has crushing impact on innovation in the calculator industry. I think that's when someone will step in there.
Nope, the iPhone OS will be next. It has the majority of the web browsing that's done by smartphones, and the Safari browser has a monopoly position on the iPhone OS.
They still don?t have a monopoly even if their mobile OS does take the lion?s share of internet usage. If anyone would have guilty of a monopoly it would be Nokia, but there is nothing that shows they?ve abused that monopoly. This EU ruling is a decade too late and too stupid now that the market has correct itself without their interference. I think IE has less than 50% share in Europe.
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Microsoft Bing is in the App Store as of this morning.
Downloaded it and it works great.
The app looks great and works great? too bad Bing sucks as a search engine.
Have you tried clicking on the zoom (+) green gumdrop? It wasn't till recently that I found out the calculator has two other modes.
Those options have always been there from the Menu Bar under View. You can also paste into the app with Control+V and copy what is shown on the readout with Control+C.
Also, you can also use Spotlight for calculations, but i prefer just using Google since I can copy and paste the entire equation with result more easily.
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As Google's OS is basically a browser does this mean if it ever beats Windows it will be instantly banned?
It's a Linux based OS, but with apps in the cloud. It is not a 'browser'
Maybe sharing should be done via SSHFS or webdav rather than SAMBA?
This may not cut it with the EU. Obviously it did not with IE.
I think the whole point of the IE case was much different. Originally, uninstalling IE (while it was super difficult) would have detrimental effects on the OS as a whole. Instability at a minimum would result. WMP is just shitty and can be uninstalled without problems, other than the DRM issues and such AFAIK.
I think the whole point of the IE case was much different. Originally, uninstalling IE (while it was super difficult) would have detrimental effects on the OS as a whole. Instability at a minimum would result. WMP is just shitty and can be uninstalled without problems, other than the DRM issues and such AFAIK.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
I believe the point was that IE was set as the default browser. The "lottery" solution doesn't uninstall IE, it just gives users an equal opportunity to select competitive browsers as their default. This principle could certainly be extended to WMP, for example. Using the EU's logic, I don't see any reason why it should not be.
Apologies, you are correct. It was the US v. MS case that brought up the shell ties between iexplore.exe and explorer.exe. No one seemed to follow up and make that stick though, apparently MS says computer manufacturers bitched about it, and Win7 E never did make it. Hence the EU case.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
To give competitors a level playing-field? I think that was the purpose of the lottery solution for the browser. Media players are arguably just as important, but I'm not sure that importance figured in to this solution. If Microsoft disadvantages other competitors, a similar case can be made for any type of software bundled with Windows. I think they may have opened a Pandora's box.
Interesting questin, but to what end? When do you separate basic OS functionality from various bundled applications? I can see the power that a browser represents for a PC, but what about the media player? The basic graphics app? The calculator?
I don't see any of those causing any anti-competitive behavior simply because they just don't register as very important.
When their calculator application has detrimental impact on innovation of competing technologies, commands a 90% market share, and has crushing impact on innovation in the calculator industry. I think that's when someone will step in there.
On a side note, Apple's calculator stinks.
Nope, the iPhone OS will be next. It has the majority of the web browsing that's done by smartphones, and the Safari browser has a monopoly position on the iPhone OS.
They still don?t have a monopoly even if their mobile OS does take the lion?s share of internet usage. If anyone would have guilty of a monopoly it would be Nokia, but there is nothing that shows they?ve abused that monopoly. This EU ruling is a decade too late and too stupid now that the market has correct itself without their interference. I think IE has less than 50% share in Europe.
Microsoft Bing is in the App Store as of this morning.
Downloaded it and it works great.
The app looks great and works great? too bad Bing sucks as a search engine.
On a side note, Apple's calculator stinks.
Have you tried clicking on the zoom (+) green gumdrop? It wasn't till recently that I found out the calculator has two other modes.
Have you tried clicking on the zoom (+) green gumdrop? It wasn't till recently that I found out the calculator has two other modes.
Those options have always been there from the Menu Bar under View. You can also paste into the app with Control+V and copy what is shown on the readout with Control+C.
Also, you can also use Spotlight for calculations, but i prefer just using Google since I can copy and paste the entire equation with result more easily.
Have you tried clicking on the zoom (+) green gumdrop? It wasn't till recently that I found out the calculator has two other modes.
I think he's probably referring to the actual calculation bugs it's reported to have.