At this point, between the iPhone and Android platforms, the number of apps are irrelevant. Both have roughly the same number of useful apps that cover the uses of the phone. There may be more selection on the iPhone but those selections aren't necessarily better.
Hey, good for Chrome. Anything that eats into IE's share is fine by me.
Yeah, the goal is to get everyone on the same standards. Getting Microsoft and Mozilla to stop with the proprietary stuff and get on the Webkit bandwagon is all I care about. I'm actually quite happy that Safari isn't popular with "the masses."
It is a bit ironic that one of the biggest digs at Safari for Windows was that it had an overly simplified interface, and here Chrome is even more minimal. On the other hand, Chrome will support plug-ins, so before too long, the "minimalist" browser will look as butt ugly as any FireFox installation, and most people's home pages will still look like MySpace from hell.
As often as it seems like Apple and Google are going to step on each other's toes, in the end it always seems to end up with a synergy of some sorts. I think RIM and Nokia are the players with the most to lose, not Google. (Actually, Motorola is the company that stands to lose everything in the handset market.)
Would Google buy HTC or Motorola if they wanted to enter the handset market in hardware?
I could go into best buy and see the same percentage of apps that also suck for the PC platform, and most of them still expect to run with w95 style "liberties".
Most people who bring up the fart apps never state that their OS of choice is any better. They just want to bring the iphone into the pile of mud they are in.
That being said, I want GV for android and a tether app and a good video player, all not available for the iphone. No, it has to play HP h.264 in mkv containers at LV3 or 720x480 resolution or below, and vorbis audio in it.
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Hey, good for Chrome. Anything that eats into IE's share is fine by me.
Its kind of funny you read it that way instead of reading this.
"The latest Net Applications data shows that the beta release of Chrome for Mac has pushed the Google browser barely beyond Apple's Safari in terms of total market share"
Perhaps only 10% of apps in all stores have some value.
Way more than 10% of apps have some value, but it depends on who you are. Right now, there are lots of medical apps being added that are basically remote control/status apps for medical equipment. If I was a doctor, I'd care about quite a few of them. If not, they have zero value to me. Also being added are Japanese apps and Korean apps, that if you can't read Japanese or Korean are of zero value. But if you could...
The iPhone is getting plenty of vertically-integrated apps that appeal to particularly professions, and moving international. And that's just like Windows did in building its platform.
Number of Apps is meaningless. Windows has more Apps then Mac will ever have but you don't want windows do you? It is about functionality. Can people do what they want to do. In fact, I would say that the greater the number of Apps the worse it is. Just more garbage to go through to get to the useful apps. I think it is funny how Apple pumps the number of Apps in the App Store for iPhone when that is exactly what Windows has over a Mac. Apple does a 180 on the Mac and says it is not about all the crapware it is about only having what you need.
Too bad there is not some Marketing Police that can call them on their BS.
Isn't that the point of marketing - to call out what is best about your product while ignoring all else? Some obvious examples today are Verizon and DROID. And also AT&T, after Apple showed them how to talk clearly about simultaneous voice & data in their ads instead of fretting over 3G coverage. And Apple, of course, with its laserlike focus on the App Store.
And as always, it's up to the viewer to determine what message is more important to him/her. It's not BS, as different aspects are important to different people.
As often as it seems like Apple and Google are going to step on each other's toes, in the end it always seems to end up with a synergy of some sorts. I think RIM and Nokia are the players with the most to lose, not Google. (Actually, Motorola is the company that stands to lose everything in the handset market.)
I don't know what Google's or Apple's real intentions are, but Google and Apple are each protecting themselves from a dependence on the other for core elements; sometimes protection through defense and sometimes it's through offense.
If Apple were to evict Google from the iPhone, that is, remove Google search and maps and Youtube from their prime positions in the iPhone, that would be a significant setback to Google's mobile ambitions right now... if Google did not have Android and other handsets to fall back on.
If Google were to build a competing mobile ecosystem through having better Google apps/services integration and Android, that would very much slow Apple's ability to get a solid share of the mobile handset market... if Apple did not have high-quality app/service alternatives, either their own or somebody else's, to fall back on.
Possibly Apple's "rejection" of GV and Latitude was the opening shot. Or maybe Google's release of Android itself was the opening shot before that. Regardless, will this escalate or will it fall into an uneasy balance between rivals?
Note: This is reminiscent of how Apple protected itself from being squeezed out of multimedia by Microsoft by investing heavily in Quicktime as an alternative to WMP, and in media apps like Final Cut. What was defensive was turned into a great offensive with iTunes and iPod. Apple has since also protected itself from Office and IE being removed by investing in iWork and Safari, though Apple was very late to realize its dependence there.
Personally, I don't think they should be separated, at least not any longer. The smartphone category was created to describe multi-featured phones appealing mainly to geeky types. Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore. So that 3% to me shows how much more growth opportunity Apple's got in the phone market. Put it this way, just 5% of the 2010 market would be 65 million phones!
So Apple selling 3% of all phones is proof that no one wants non smartphones anymore? That is the dumbest thing said here so far
Yeah, the goal is to get everyone on the same standards. Getting Microsoft and Mozilla to stop with the proprietary stuff and get on the Webkit bandwagon is all I care about.
Dumb is making the most stupid statement ever, which is exactly what you did.
Ever? Really? In your mind, there has never been a more ‘dumb’ thing stated? Not ever?
I can think of something more ‘dumb’ in the quoted text above. Perhaps not using absolutes is a good to way to not nullify any argument you are trying to make.
Ever? Really? In your mind, there has never been a more ?dumb? thing stated? Not ever?
I can think of something more ?dumb? in the quoted text above. Perhaps not using absolutes is a good to way to not nullify any argument you are trying to make.
No, it isn't the dumbest thing, but to say
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Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore.
When 97% of cell phones don't purchase an iPhone is a pretty dumb thing to write
Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore.
When 97% of cell phones don't purchase an iPhone is a pretty dumb thing to write
I read his use of the term ?want? to specifically imply desire, not a feasible choice. It?s obvious he knows that dumb phones are the vast majority of phones being sold in the world. The iPhone simply isn?t a viable option for the hundreds of millions of customers buying/getting phones every year and when you look at how the handset vendors are trying to copy and/or trump the iPhone it?s not unreasonable to make that statement about want.
In your defense, I wouldn?t use the term ?hardly anybody? without qualifying it more since I would wager that most of world?s 4.8(?) Billion people have never seen an iPhone.
PS: I want a Bugatti Veyron and a Maybach and I will be getting neither.
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Hey, good for Chrome. Anything that eats into IE's share is fine by me.
Yeah, the goal is to get everyone on the same standards. Getting Microsoft and Mozilla to stop with the proprietary stuff and get on the Webkit bandwagon is all I care about. I'm actually quite happy that Safari isn't popular with "the masses."
It is a bit ironic that one of the biggest digs at Safari for Windows was that it had an overly simplified interface, and here Chrome is even more minimal. On the other hand, Chrome will support plug-ins, so before too long, the "minimalist" browser will look as butt ugly as any FireFox installation, and most people's home pages will still look like MySpace from hell.
Would Google buy HTC or Motorola if they wanted to enter the handset market in hardware?
Most people who bring up the fart apps never state that their OS of choice is any better. They just want to bring the iphone into the pile of mud they are in.
That being said, I want GV for android and a tether app and a good video player, all not available for the iphone. No, it has to play HP h.264 in mkv containers at LV3 or 720x480 resolution or below, and vorbis audio in it.
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Hey, good for Chrome. Anything that eats into IE's share is fine by me.
Its kind of funny you read it that way instead of reading this.
"The latest Net Applications data shows that the beta release of Chrome for Mac has pushed the Google browser barely beyond Apple's Safari in terms of total market share"
You know how a beta browser pushes past Safari.
Perhaps only 10% of apps in all stores have some value.
Way more than 10% of apps have some value, but it depends on who you are. Right now, there are lots of medical apps being added that are basically remote control/status apps for medical equipment. If I was a doctor, I'd care about quite a few of them. If not, they have zero value to me. Also being added are Japanese apps and Korean apps, that if you can't read Japanese or Korean are of zero value. But if you could...
The iPhone is getting plenty of vertically-integrated apps that appeal to particularly professions, and moving international. And that's just like Windows did in building its platform.
Number of Apps is meaningless. Windows has more Apps then Mac will ever have but you don't want windows do you? It is about functionality. Can people do what they want to do. In fact, I would say that the greater the number of Apps the worse it is. Just more garbage to go through to get to the useful apps. I think it is funny how Apple pumps the number of Apps in the App Store for iPhone when that is exactly what Windows has over a Mac. Apple does a 180 on the Mac and says it is not about all the crapware it is about only having what you need.
Too bad there is not some Marketing Police that can call them on their BS.
Isn't that the point of marketing - to call out what is best about your product while ignoring all else? Some obvious examples today are Verizon and DROID. And also AT&T, after Apple showed them how to talk clearly about simultaneous voice & data in their ads instead of fretting over 3G coverage. And Apple, of course, with its laserlike focus on the App Store.
And as always, it's up to the viewer to determine what message is more important to him/her. It's not BS, as different aspects are important to different people.
As often as it seems like Apple and Google are going to step on each other's toes, in the end it always seems to end up with a synergy of some sorts. I think RIM and Nokia are the players with the most to lose, not Google. (Actually, Motorola is the company that stands to lose everything in the handset market.)
I don't know what Google's or Apple's real intentions are, but Google and Apple are each protecting themselves from a dependence on the other for core elements; sometimes protection through defense and sometimes it's through offense.
If Apple were to evict Google from the iPhone, that is, remove Google search and maps and Youtube from their prime positions in the iPhone, that would be a significant setback to Google's mobile ambitions right now... if Google did not have Android and other handsets to fall back on.
If Google were to build a competing mobile ecosystem through having better Google apps/services integration and Android, that would very much slow Apple's ability to get a solid share of the mobile handset market... if Apple did not have high-quality app/service alternatives, either their own or somebody else's, to fall back on.
Possibly Apple's "rejection" of GV and Latitude was the opening shot. Or maybe Google's release of Android itself was the opening shot before that. Regardless, will this escalate or will it fall into an uneasy balance between rivals?
Note: This is reminiscent of how Apple protected itself from being squeezed out of multimedia by Microsoft by investing heavily in Quicktime as an alternative to WMP, and in media apps like Final Cut. What was defensive was turned into a great offensive with iTunes and iPod. Apple has since also protected itself from Office and IE being removed by investing in iWork and Safari, though Apple was very late to realize its dependence there.
Personally, I don't think they should be separated, at least not any longer. The smartphone category was created to describe multi-featured phones appealing mainly to geeky types. Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore. So that 3% to me shows how much more growth opportunity Apple's got in the phone market. Put it this way, just 5% of the 2010 market would be 65 million phones!
So Apple selling 3% of all phones is proof that no one wants non smartphones anymore? That is the dumbest thing said here so far
Hey, good for Chrome. Anything that eats into IE's share is fine by me.
I like Chrome myself, it feels snappier than any other browser I've used.
Yeah, the goal is to get everyone on the same standards. Getting Microsoft and Mozilla to stop with the proprietary stuff and get on the Webkit bandwagon is all I care about.
Which propietary stuff does it have Mozilla?
Some of the "free" java applications in the Android Market are nothing more than links to a paid version of said application with more functionality.
Google get's money from AdMob ads present in a lot of the "free" applications, how much of that is shared with developers?
Too bad applications are so limited by the platform, Google would have to redesign Android to match cocoa on the unix core of iPhone OS.
I will be very impressed if Android eventually has more f*rt apps than the iPhone.
So Apple selling 3% of all phones is proof that no one wants non smartphones anymore? That is the dumbest thing said here so far
No, I'd go with your interpretation being far dumber. I will speak more slowly in future.
No, I'd go with your interpretation being far dumber. I will speak more slowly in future.
Hmm, you wrote
Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore.
Like I said, that is the dumbest thing ever written on this site
Dumb is not reading. Dumb is not comprehending.
Dumb is making the most stupid statement ever, which is exactly what you did.
Dumb is making the most stupid statement ever, which is exactly what you did.
Ever? Really? In your mind, there has never been a more ‘dumb’ thing stated? Not ever?
I can think of something more ‘dumb’ in the quoted text above.
Ever? Really? In your mind, there has never been a more ?dumb? thing stated? Not ever?
I can think of something more ?dumb? in the quoted text above.
No, it isn't the dumbest thing, but to say
Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore.
When 97% of cell phones don't purchase an iPhone is a pretty dumb thing to write
Apple is proving that hardly anybody really wants a "dumb" phone anymore.
When 97% of cell phones don't purchase an iPhone is a pretty dumb thing to write
I read his use of the term ?want? to specifically imply desire, not a feasible choice. It?s obvious he knows that dumb phones are the vast majority of phones being sold in the world. The iPhone simply isn?t a viable option for the hundreds of millions of customers buying/getting phones every year and when you look at how the handset vendors are trying to copy and/or trump the iPhone it?s not unreasonable to make that statement about want.
In your defense, I wouldn?t use the term ?hardly anybody? without qualifying it more since I would wager that most of world?s 4.8(?) Billion people have never seen an iPhone.
PS: I want a Bugatti Veyron and a Maybach and I will be getting neither.