I've changed my mind from what I said in post #136 because as someone else said in another post, either on this thread or another, iPad = Tampon. Not a parallel S. J. would want drawn.
We don?t know but we can infer the likelihood of many things based on the history.
For starters, it won?t have iPhone OS on it because to simply plop the IPhone OS onto a tablet device that is much larger than 3.5?, has presumably more power and HW, thus allowing for more uses and needing frameworks and apps not in iPhone OS, nor altering the UI to accommodate the screen size and optimize for usability is something Apple has no history of doing.
I don't think we can use history to come to any conclusion in this case. Apple has to try and hit a very narrow sweet spot with this offering. With most "rumors" bringing this in at about 699.00 there is no way its going to have the hardware or OSX features that will take away from Macbook sales. Form factor or not Apple isn't going to put out a product at 699.00 that takes away sales of a 999.00 Macbook.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
I don't think we can use history to come to any conclusion in this case. Apple has to try and hit a very narrow sweet spot with this offering. With most "rumors" bringing this in at about 699.00 there is no way its going to have the hardware or OSX features that will take away from Macbook sales. Form factor or not Apple isn't going to put out a product at 699.00 that takes away sales of a 999.00 Macbook.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
Excellent points. I'm not so sure that I agree completely on all of them, but I cannot intelligently argue against any of them. You've given me more to think about. Thanks
Excellent points. I'm not so sure that I agree completely on all of them, but I cannot intelligently argue against any of them. You've given me more to think about. Thanks
These questions kind of hit me when I thought about what would this product have to offer for me to buy it. That doesn't mean everyone else has the same needs but most us have an Apple computer and either an iPhone or Touch.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
If it’s "nothing more then an e-reader” then you have a point, but I can’t imagine it being just an eReader. We already have other tablets preparing to launch with colour displays capable of video and we have official word from publishers that they want to save their dying business model by going digital
I wouldn’t expect anything like the Kindle or Nook. I wouldn’t expect anything that is currently labeled primarily as an “e-reader”. While history has several examples of ideas apparently forming at the same time, yet independently, I’d wager that the publishers recent push to create a standard for digital distribution was not one of those times.
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So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
I miss having daily newspapers and magazines. I don’t want to bother with print media and I don’t like the crap of free ad-supported sites that are mostly blogs whose focus is besting each other by seconds in Google News over quality of content. I’d pay for real media to rise again on a digital platform if that meant a tablet device would have auto-download my subscriptions like a Podcast and have them ready for me to read when I pick it up in at the breakfast table, on the couch, in bed, the bed, subway, etc. Having a laptop on a bus or subway can be cumbersome and a phone or PMP for heavy reading isn’t ideal.
PS: I agree with Cranky. You have well thought out doubts about this product category. They are very similar to my initial objections to this device before PixelQI displays, and the publishers rumour appeared.
Took a day off from the computer to relax, and came back this morning to read all the comments after my (and others) posting about the new "iBook" being a plausible name, and being an ?idiot? for logically considering it.
Call me an ?idiot? or what you will, but I'm still going with iBook due to simplicity, Apple owning the name already, and it's easy inclusion in their current line-up.
iPod
iPhone
iBook
Consider that Apple is an international brand now, not just American. iSlate is a very difficult word to explain and to pronounce in many languages. Also, it is a definite Rockwell-esque Americanism.
IF iSlate is the chosen name, it will ?effectively? be called something different in probably every non-native-English-speaking land in the world. Apple?s international marketing departments will absolutely HATE iSlate! If it is called iBook... no explanation necessary, since it is a global well-known word... like PHONE, or MAP, or Street, etc.
Slate, when Wiki'd turns up the rock variety as it's first entry.
Click on different languages, and you get:
German = Schiefer
French = Schiste (oh brother!)
Spanish = Pizarra (oh no Part II)
Italian = Ardesia
Now try "book":
German = Buch
French = Livre
Spanish = Libro
Italian = Libro
*Latin = Liber
BTW, when choosing "book", you will also be given within the very first couple of paragraphs an explanation of both traditional books... as well as ebooks!
Once unveiled, and if it truly does not fold in any way (even a protective lid/cover might be useful), and it's primary purpose is to access content on the web, or "read (and watch) collections of literary works" i.e. ebooks and emagazines...
...please tell me AGAIN why I (we) are IDIOTS for highly considering the logical name of ?iBook??
It certainly can not be because a help desk might need to ask, "the new iBook, or the G4 laptop?"... since all Apple products are sub-classified as far as I know, as in "Early 2008" or "Jan2006"; G3 or G3s, etc.
Nor because it's an "old, unsexy, and used" name: for a product previously and exclusively tied to Apple very successfully I might add.
Regardless of name, it will be successful... but even more so if it?s qualities and features are talked about in sound bites, rather than it?s silly name taking up valuable time (think about that!).
Anyway, I take exception to being called an "idiot" for thinking logically and globally, and within my professional expertise, in a guessing-game for a yet-to-be-seen device!
And believe me... I would have no problem whatsoever incurring the wrath of SJ telling him why iSlate is NOT the way to go. Hopefully someone at Apple still has the balls to do the same!
Tablets will eventually replace notebooks. It'll take years, but that's where Apple is headed, and even at this early stage they'll release a tablet like none that has been seen or experienced before. Forget everything you know about tablets, all their shortcomings, all their problems. It's all about to change. Apple is excellent at redefining and popularizing current technological ideas and paradigms that aren't being exploited correctly.
Tablets will eventually replace notebooks. It'll take years, but that's where Apple is headed, and even at this early stage they'll release a tablet like none that has been seen or experienced before. Forget everything you know about tablets, all their shortcomings, all their problems. It's all about to change. Apple is excellent at redefining and popularizing current technological ideas and paradigms that aren't being exploited correctly.
You may be right, but we have yet to see a technology that can replace a physical keyboard for excessive typing. The ability to use a physical keyboard and trackpad that isn?t using half the display and it requiring you to either hold your arms out to have a display in front you or look down to have your hands in a natural position is still the best option. I haven?t even seen a concept that works better than what we have now.
It?s almost as if we?ll have to get rid of the idea of typing altogether for the paradigm to change.
All that would have made sense except that there are a million Apple iBooks currently in use. It won't be iBook.
What next? The new Motorola smartphone to be called "StarTAC"? The new Diet beverage from Coke to be called "Tab"? The new Sony TV to be called "Trinitron"? This makes zero sense, except to someone unfamiliar with the fact that Apple already had an iBook.
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Took a day off from the computer to relax, and came back this morning to read all the comments after my (and others) posting about the new "iBook" being a plausible name, and being an “idiot” for logically considering it.
Call me an “idiot” or what you will, but I'm still going with iBook due to simplicity, Apple owning the name already, and it's easy inclusion in their current line-up.
iPod
iPhone
iBook
Consider that Apple is an international brand now, not just American. iSlate is a very difficult word to explain and to pronounce in many languages. Also, it is a definite Rockwell-esque Americanism.
IF iSlate is the chosen name, it will “effectively” be called something different in probably every non-native-English-speaking land in the world. Apple’s international marketing departments will absolutely HATE iSlate! If it is called iBook... no explanation necessary, since it is a global well-known word... like PHONE, or MAP, or Street, etc.
Slate, when Wiki'd turns up the rock variety as it's first entry.
Click on different languages, and you get:
German = Schiefer
French = Schiste (oh brother!)
Spanish = Pizarra (oh no Part II)
Italian = Ardesia
Now try "book":
German = Buch
French = Livre
Spanish = Libro
Italian = Libro
*Latin = Liber
BTW, when choosing "book", you will also be given within the very first couple of paragraphs an explanation of both traditional books... as well as ebooks!
Once unveiled, and if it truly does not fold in any way (even a protective lid/cover might be useful), and it's primary purpose is to access content on the web, or "read (and watch) collections of literary works" i.e. ebooks and emagazines...
...please tell me AGAIN why I (we) are IDIOTS for highly considering the logical name of “iBook”?
It certainly can not be because a help desk might need to ask, "the new iBook, or the G4 laptop?"... since all Apple products are sub-classified as far as I know, as in "Early 2008" or "Jan2006"; G3 or G3s, etc.
Nor because it's an "old, unsexy, and used" name: for a product previously and exclusively tied to Apple very successfully I might add.
Regardless of name, it will be successful... but even more so if it’s qualities and features are talked about in sound bites, rather than it’s silly name taking up valuable time (think about that!).
Anyway, I take exception to being called an "idiot" for thinking logically and globally, and within my professional expertise, in a guessing-game for a yet-to-be-seen device!
And believe me... I would have no problem whatsoever incurring the wrath of SJ telling him why iSlate is NOT the way to go. Hopefully someone at Apple still has the balls to do the same!
All that would have made sense except that there are a million Apple iBooks currently in use. It won't be iBook.
What next? The new Motorola smartphone to be called "StarTAC"? The new Diet beverage from Coke to be called "Tab"? The new Sony TV to be called "Trinitron"? This makes zero sense, except to someone unfamiliar with the fact that Apple already had an iBook.
I am familiar that there are iBooks still in use... possibly even more than a mil. There a probably many more millions of original and classic iPods as well.
It didn't keep Apple from introducing the new touch format as the "iPod Touch" now did it?! Considering that it's completely different than any iPod before it, and is closer to the iPhone in reality.
Within your narrow thinking... should they have called it by a new name, like iGamer or something like that?
Your argument still doesn't hold any logic, as it applies to Apple... and only Apple products. You could be right though that it won't fold or have any folding parts. See the recent news posting re: "" here http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...hreadid=105780
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I've changed my mind from what I said in post #136 because as someone else said in another post, either on this thread or another, iPad = Tampon. Not a parallel S. J. would want drawn.
Well a tampon you insert- it's not a pad.
You must mean a KOTEX. http://www.kotex.com/na/Products.aspx
We don?t know but we can infer the likelihood of many things based on the history.
For starters, it won?t have iPhone OS on it because to simply plop the IPhone OS onto a tablet device that is much larger than 3.5?, has presumably more power and HW, thus allowing for more uses and needing frameworks and apps not in iPhone OS, nor altering the UI to accommodate the screen size and optimize for usability is something Apple has no history of doing.
I don't think we can use history to come to any conclusion in this case. Apple has to try and hit a very narrow sweet spot with this offering. With most "rumors" bringing this in at about 699.00 there is no way its going to have the hardware or OSX features that will take away from Macbook sales. Form factor or not Apple isn't going to put out a product at 699.00 that takes away sales of a 999.00 Macbook.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
I don't think we can use history to come to any conclusion in this case. Apple has to try and hit a very narrow sweet spot with this offering. With most "rumors" bringing this in at about 699.00 there is no way its going to have the hardware or OSX features that will take away from Macbook sales. Form factor or not Apple isn't going to put out a product at 699.00 that takes away sales of a 999.00 Macbook.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
Excellent points. I'm not so sure that I agree completely on all of them, but I cannot intelligently argue against any of them. You've given me more to think about. Thanks
Excellent points. I'm not so sure that I agree completely on all of them, but I cannot intelligently argue against any of them. You've given me more to think about. Thanks
These questions kind of hit me when I thought about what would this product have to offer for me to buy it. That doesn't mean everyone else has the same needs but most us have an Apple computer and either an iPhone or Touch.
On the other end if this Tablet turns out to be nothing more then an e-reader with a new UI and a bigger screen I find it a hard sell to users that already have an iPhone or Touch.
If it’s "nothing more then an e-reader” then you have a point, but I can’t imagine it being just an eReader. We already have other tablets preparing to launch with colour displays capable of video and we have official word from publishers that they want to save their dying business model by going digital
I wouldn’t expect anything like the Kindle or Nook. I wouldn’t expect anything that is currently labeled primarily as an “e-reader”. While history has several examples of ideas apparently forming at the same time, yet independently, I’d wager that the publishers recent push to create a standard for digital distribution was not one of those times.
So the big question is what will this Tablet have to offer to Apple users that already have a Macbook/MBP along with an iPhone or Touch.
There doesn't appear to be that much of a need for product that fits between an iPhone and a Macbook.
I miss having daily newspapers and magazines. I don’t want to bother with print media and I don’t like the crap of free ad-supported sites that are mostly blogs whose focus is besting each other by seconds in Google News over quality of content. I’d pay for real media to rise again on a digital platform if that meant a tablet device would have auto-download my subscriptions like a Podcast and have them ready for me to read when I pick it up in at the breakfast table, on the couch, in bed, the bed, subway, etc. Having a laptop on a bus or subway can be cumbersome and a phone or PMP for heavy reading isn’t ideal.
PS: I agree with Cranky. You have well thought out doubts about this product category. They are very similar to my initial objections to this device before PixelQI displays, and the publishers rumour appeared.
Call me an ?idiot? or what you will, but I'm still going with iBook due to simplicity, Apple owning the name already, and it's easy inclusion in their current line-up.
iPod
iPhone
iBook
Consider that Apple is an international brand now, not just American. iSlate is a very difficult word to explain and to pronounce in many languages. Also, it is a definite Rockwell-esque Americanism.
IF iSlate is the chosen name, it will ?effectively? be called something different in probably every non-native-English-speaking land in the world. Apple?s international marketing departments will absolutely HATE iSlate! If it is called iBook... no explanation necessary, since it is a global well-known word... like PHONE, or MAP, or Street, etc.
Brings to mind bad car names when translated:
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blo...del-names.html
Slate, when Wiki'd turns up the rock variety as it's first entry.
Click on different languages, and you get:
German = Schiefer
French = Schiste (oh brother!)
Spanish = Pizarra (oh no Part II)
Italian = Ardesia
Now try "book":
German = Buch
French = Livre
Spanish = Libro
Italian = Libro
*Latin = Liber
BTW, when choosing "book", you will also be given within the very first couple of paragraphs an explanation of both traditional books... as well as ebooks!
Once unveiled, and if it truly does not fold in any way (even a protective lid/cover might be useful), and it's primary purpose is to access content on the web, or "read (and watch) collections of literary works" i.e. ebooks and emagazines...
...please tell me AGAIN why I (we) are IDIOTS for highly considering the logical name of ?iBook??
It certainly can not be because a help desk might need to ask, "the new iBook, or the G4 laptop?"... since all Apple products are sub-classified as far as I know, as in "Early 2008" or "Jan2006"; G3 or G3s, etc.
Nor because it's an "old, unsexy, and used" name: for a product previously and exclusively tied to Apple very successfully I might add.
Regardless of name, it will be successful... but even more so if it?s qualities and features are talked about in sound bites, rather than it?s silly name taking up valuable time (think about that!).
Anyway, I take exception to being called an "idiot" for thinking logically and globally, and within my professional expertise, in a guessing-game for a yet-to-be-seen device!
And believe me... I would have no problem whatsoever incurring the wrath of SJ telling him why iSlate is NOT the way to go. Hopefully someone at Apple still has the balls to do the same!
Tablets will eventually replace notebooks. It'll take years, but that's where Apple is headed, and even at this early stage they'll release a tablet like none that has been seen or experienced before. Forget everything you know about tablets, all their shortcomings, all their problems. It's all about to change. Apple is excellent at redefining and popularizing current technological ideas and paradigms that aren't being exploited correctly.
You may be right, but we have yet to see a technology that can replace a physical keyboard for excessive typing. The ability to use a physical keyboard and trackpad that isn?t using half the display and it requiring you to either hold your arms out to have a display in front you or look down to have your hands in a natural position is still the best option. I haven?t even seen a concept that works better than what we have now.
It?s almost as if we?ll have to get rid of the idea of typing altogether for the paradigm to change.
What next? The new Motorola smartphone to be called "StarTAC"? The new Diet beverage from Coke to be called "Tab"? The new Sony TV to be called "Trinitron"? This makes zero sense, except to someone unfamiliar with the fact that Apple already had an iBook.
Took a day off from the computer to relax, and came back this morning to read all the comments after my (and others) posting about the new "iBook" being a plausible name, and being an “idiot” for logically considering it.
Call me an “idiot” or what you will, but I'm still going with iBook due to simplicity, Apple owning the name already, and it's easy inclusion in their current line-up.
iPod
iPhone
iBook
Consider that Apple is an international brand now, not just American. iSlate is a very difficult word to explain and to pronounce in many languages. Also, it is a definite Rockwell-esque Americanism.
IF iSlate is the chosen name, it will “effectively” be called something different in probably every non-native-English-speaking land in the world. Apple’s international marketing departments will absolutely HATE iSlate! If it is called iBook... no explanation necessary, since it is a global well-known word... like PHONE, or MAP, or Street, etc.
Brings to mind bad car names when translated:
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blo...del-names.html
Slate, when Wiki'd turns up the rock variety as it's first entry.
Click on different languages, and you get:
German = Schiefer
French = Schiste (oh brother!)
Spanish = Pizarra (oh no Part II)
Italian = Ardesia
Now try "book":
German = Buch
French = Livre
Spanish = Libro
Italian = Libro
*Latin = Liber
BTW, when choosing "book", you will also be given within the very first couple of paragraphs an explanation of both traditional books... as well as ebooks!
Once unveiled, and if it truly does not fold in any way (even a protective lid/cover might be useful), and it's primary purpose is to access content on the web, or "read (and watch) collections of literary works" i.e. ebooks and emagazines...
...please tell me AGAIN why I (we) are IDIOTS for highly considering the logical name of “iBook”?
It certainly can not be because a help desk might need to ask, "the new iBook, or the G4 laptop?"... since all Apple products are sub-classified as far as I know, as in "Early 2008" or "Jan2006"; G3 or G3s, etc.
Nor because it's an "old, unsexy, and used" name: for a product previously and exclusively tied to Apple very successfully I might add.
Regardless of name, it will be successful... but even more so if it’s qualities and features are talked about in sound bites, rather than it’s silly name taking up valuable time (think about that!).
Anyway, I take exception to being called an "idiot" for thinking logically and globally, and within my professional expertise, in a guessing-game for a yet-to-be-seen device!
And believe me... I would have no problem whatsoever incurring the wrath of SJ telling him why iSlate is NOT the way to go. Hopefully someone at Apple still has the balls to do the same!
All that would have made sense except that there are a million Apple iBooks currently in use. It won't be iBook.
What next? The new Motorola smartphone to be called "StarTAC"? The new Diet beverage from Coke to be called "Tab"? The new Sony TV to be called "Trinitron"? This makes zero sense, except to someone unfamiliar with the fact that Apple already had an iBook.
I am familiar that there are iBooks still in use... possibly even more than a mil. There a probably many more millions of original and classic iPods as well.
It didn't keep Apple from introducing the new touch format as the "iPod Touch" now did it?! Considering that it's completely different than any iPod before it, and is closer to the iPhone in reality.
Within your narrow thinking... should they have called it by a new name, like iGamer or something like that?
Your argument still doesn't hold any logic, as it applies to Apple... and only Apple products. You could be right though that it won't fold or have any folding parts. See the recent news posting re: "" here http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...hreadid=105780