it really looks like only blinders-wearing fanboys comment here...
Sorry guys, the Nexus has way more superior hardware than even the iPhone 3GS... :-(
Well I'd hope so given it releases 6 months later. Besides, both the snapdragon and the samsung ARM used in the iphone 3GS are same generation processors (Cortex A8). Apple could kick the 3GS up to the fully rated speed at the cost of battery life.
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The main difference between android and iphone-os is that iphone-os is available on one handset manufactured and controlled by one producer, and software development for it sucks (C? I was not even born when C was invented, and I'm not a youngster) since the hardware-producer wants to control the software that runs on it's device. That's worse than Microsoft does!
ObjectiveC. C was developed in 1972. How old a language is isn't an advantage. Plus Java wasn't developed until 1995 and finally stopped sucking around 2004 with 1.5. Some folks argue it didn't really stop sucking until 1.6 Update 10 (mostly gui devs).
And it should seem pretty obvious that Apple is not Microsoft and Microsoft isn't a major hardware producer but it does tightly control the software used on its hardware (Zune, XBox, etc).
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Android is an open-source, free and unrestricted system which as of today runs on 16 handsets made by 6 different companies. I did not count-in the non-phone devices as e.g. the Nook, or the Carmangi.
This is not an advantage. Not for Linux vs the Mac OSX and not for Android vs the iPhone OSX.
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From a developer pov comparing android to iphone (java to C) is like driving a car vs riding a horse.
If you were a mobile developer (or any kind of developer) you'd be slightly less clueless about the platforms you're talking about. Personally, I prefer Java to ObjC but I'm used to Java and not ObjC.
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So guys, sorry. But it's just a matter of time before you will see android everywhere around you.
Sure, just like we see symbian and winmo. So what?
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And app developers will also like the fact that their app not just runs on their mobile, but as well in their car, their digital picture frame, their GPS and so on.
All with different capabilities, software enhancements and screen dimensions. This is just like mobile java development. Which, in a word, sucks.
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Edit: One major thing for developer-adoption I forgot is:
To hack android-apps you can use the OS of your choice. You are not humiliated into buying a $1000+ computer to get on hacking.
I write software on my 2009 mini ($600), in .NET, Java and a little ObjC on the side.
Can you remind me what exciting new features the 3GS provided?
Faster Processor - pretty standard feature on every new phone
Better Graphics - again pretty standard
MMS - Apple finally added what was a pretty standard feature on every other phone
Video Recording - again, pretty standard on every other phone with a camera
Voice Command - already available on plenty of other phones
Tethering - pretty standard on other smart phones (and still not available in the U.S.)
Magnetometer - Score one for Apple!
Oleophobic Coating - Number two!
Maybe it's just me but Apple's R&D dept isn't looking very good when all it came up with for new was a compass and a screen coating for the 3GS. Hardly features to salivate over.
But you don't hear people here saying how Apple copied features like MMS and video recording...
Well if all you want to do is a feature checklist comparison then heck, WinMo phones probably win...
The point is that the platform is a rapidly evolving moving target for competitors to match. For Android to catch OSX it needs bullet points and nicely designed foundational APIs and dev tools so devs can easily and quickly use them.
The disadvantage for android is that the hardware isn't also controlled by Google while Apple can dictate that all iPhones moving forward have magnetometers.
Well if all you want to do is a feature checklist comparison then heck, WinMo phones probably win...
The point is that the platform is a rapidly evolving moving target for competitors to match. For Android to catch OSX it needs bullet points and nicely designed foundational APIs and dev tools so devs can easily and quickly use them.
The disadvantage for android is that the hardware isn't also controlled by Google while Apple can dictate that all iPhones moving forward have magnetometers.
to an extent it is, you need to be packing certain hardware to be able to run the latest version of android, the one thing i truly dont like is there being so many different software out (donut, eclair, flan..wtf else there is...) because the upgrades are very small in steps.
WinMo is the same way, and iirc the base requirements for Win7 is like a 600mhz and 512 ram and a capacitive screen and some other things i cant remember off the top of my head.
Whatever upgrade comes in the summer (i SEVERELY doubt we'll see a processor or memory boost) your gonna get very slim hardware improvements, and in fact it will proabably focus on a new radio chip for verizon and the new OS4 and multitasking (then everyone will swoon over whats been here for years by competitors) more than it will the phone.
As someone developing Android apps, I can confidently state that the Cocoa framework and Objective C > Java on the Android and it's performance limitations. That being said, hopefully the Nexus will last longer than the G1 which cannot be upgraded to Firmware 2.0 because of internal flash RAM limitations. 400$ + down the freaking drain.
As someone developing Android apps, I can confidently state that the Cocoa framework and Objective C > Java on the Android and it's performance limitations. That being said, hopefully the Nexus will last longer than the G1 which cannot be upgraded to Firmware 2.0 because of internal flash RAM limitations. 400$ + down the freaking drain.
How is iPhone OS stacking up against the Android NDK?
Can you remind me what exciting new features the 3GS provided?
Faster Processor - pretty standard feature on every new phone
Better Graphics - again pretty standard
MMS - Apple finally added what was a pretty standard feature on every other phone
Video Recording - again, pretty standard on every other phone with a camera
Voice Command - already available on plenty of other phones
Tethering - pretty standard on other smart phones (and still not available in the U.S.)
Magnetometer - Score one for Apple!
Oleophobic Coating - Number two!
Maybe it's just me but Apple's R&D dept isn't looking very good when all it came up with for new was a compass and a screen coating for the 3GS. Hardly features to salivate over.
But you don't hear people here saying how Apple copied features like MMS and video recording...
For me there are some additional big points for Apple.
1. I have by now a wonderful integration with my desktop- and server-applications.
2. My iPhone works great with my loved car hi-fi system (iPod-connector) and hands-free.
3. I never had problems updating the OS or Apps.
4. Although it's not the most important point I would miss some really great games.
5. The Apple "Roadmap" for developers, providers and customers shows a good balance between moving forward and giving devs enough time to test and explore new or changed API's.
The upgrades from 2.x to 3.x were amazing and brought great feature.
4.x will step further.
I judge my invest to be future proof.
BTW: I was able to compare my 3G with a 3GS and got a "must have feeling", but I think I can wait for the next version while I my current device doesn't feels to be out-dated.
For me there are some additional big points for Apple.
1. I have by now a wonderful integration with my desktop- and server-applications.
2. My iPhone works great with my loved car hi-fi system (iPod-connector) and hands-free.
3. I never had problems updating the OS or Apps.
4. Although it's not the most important point I would miss some really great games.
5. The Apple "Roadmap" for developers, providers and customers shows a good balance between moving forward and giving devs enough time to test and explore new or changed API's.
The upgrades from 2.x to 3.x were amazing and brought great feature.
4.x will step further.
I judge my invest to be future proof.
BTW: I was able to compare my 3G with a 3GS and got a "must have feeling", but I think I can wait for the next version while I my current device doesn't feels to be out-dated.
His bullet points are superficial and far from complete. He doesn?t quantify the increased performance of the processor nor even mention the doubling of the RAM, which I find to be two very important aspects as to why I choose to upgrade my 3G after having it less than a year. Turning Mac OS into iPhone OS was not an easy task and the first iPhones were basically at their HW minimum to run the OS decent enough to be a viable product. The Cortex-A8 and 256MB RAM finally brought the iPhone into its own. Older and simpler mobile OSes can use older and simpler HW, but iPhone OS can?t.
I have doubts about Apple upping the RAM this time around. The current system, even with multiple apps running in the background (non-3rd party apps) there is still a fair amount of RAM left over, unlike the first two iPhones. Unless they want to allow more than a couple background apps and have very little regulation over how it functions while running in the background I think we?ll stick with 256MB for another year. I also wonder if we?ll get a new processor this year or just a higher clock speed of the Cortex-A8. I suppose it depends on which is more effective for the device. Any idea is the Cortex-A9s offer better performance per watt?
He also doesn?t mention the faster NAND or HW encryption with the device. Perhaps something most people don?t consider but everyone likes the faster storage access even if they don?t realize it.
Everyone overlooks the importance of smartphone accessories. thanks to the iPod, the iPhone has by far the widest variety of third party plug in accessories of all kinds, all compatible with one dock connector. and thanks to its 3.0 OS, they can now be integrated with on-board apps too. iPhone friendly cars, hotel rooms, etc. are popping up everywhere. it's all part of the Mac "ecosystem," but the pundits never include them in their iPhone vs. whatever match-ups. dummies,
looking at today's post in Giz about the Nexus Google phone, it mentioned in passing a connector pin socket in the phone. but there is no dock yet (it uses a mini USB cable). it made me realize that apparently there is no standard Android connector/doc spec! which means that Android's accessory potential will be badly fragmentized too - and if so so few plug in accessories will become available.
sure, USB and blutooth can provide alternative means for connections, but neither is as simple and convenient as a physical dock - plug and play, and it safely stays put.
P.P.S. Why do Iphone and [insert-Iphone-killer-name-here] owners constantly try to put one another down? Why can't we all just say that we love our phones, whichever one it is that we own, and having cell phone service providers/manufacturers/OS developers compete for our hard-earned money is great for all of us! In one, or two, or three years, when it comes time to renew our contracts, just think of the excellent options we'll have because of the market competitions taking place right now.
I just bought a new phone and I'm already excited!
I totally agree. Everyone chooses a phone and carrier that suits there needs. You don't hear flip phone owners arguing. Not one single "HEY you copied off the StarTAC". Form and function has always been copied by other makers and will continue to happen. Apple did that. Everything the iPhone is already existed, Apple just did a great job putting it all together in a very nice package. As a VZW customer I'm happy that they finally offer very good phone. No phone will kill the iPhone but if VZW can stop people from leaving for the iPhone and maybe pick up a few ex-iPhone users than the Droid is a success.
I'm beginning to see why some folk react negatively to Prince McClean's articles. They are, as tech posts go, well-written, sometimes exhaustive, pull together lots of disparate info both past and present, but have a slant that always seems to make Apple look a fairly omniscient, all-wise, etc. and this POV brings him to conclusions that go beyond those a less cheerleading observer might reach.
There are lotsa smart people not working in Cupertino and lots of capital being invested in non-Apple efforts. And if there's a giant corporation people have as much positive attachment to as Apple, it's Google.
I'd be guilty of the reverse bias if I compared what happened last time Apple had market share, mind share and unified platform/software advantage, i.e., the time just before the Apple II got crushed by a motley bunch of manufacturers with inconsistent implementations running multiple versions of an buggy, immature operating system from Microsoft. Guilty because Apple's not a tiny-start up with a garage feel and has spent 30 years building the best image and the most buzz in the entire tech world, so concluding they will inevitably be dethroned again by the sheer breadth of the competition would be an unjustifiable stretch.
Still, they're not invulnerable and Msr. Jobs will retire someday - and his personal charisma, however tightly he's still able to hold the reins and how much mojo he personally brings to the office these days, is Apple's greatest public asset.
And the iWhatever could yet turn into a solution looking for a problem and be the next Newton - really, really cool but not a mass success, or the 4G iPhone could just be a warmover (that's happened with Apple refreshes before as well) and the public is fickle.
Or not. I'm just sayin' I'll still read Prince's articles, but more for the facts he pulls together than for his often over-extrapolated conjectures on same.
No, I think he is right. Time to say Sergey and Larry they'd better close their shop, they have no chance. Prince for the president !
As someone developing Android apps, I can confidently state that the Cocoa framework and Objective C > Java on the Android and it's performance limitations. That being said, hopefully the Nexus will last longer than the G1 which cannot be upgraded to Firmware 2.0 because of internal flash RAM limitations. 400$ + down the freaking drain.
Boy, Obj-C is a mess and XCode is really a bad joke. Java might have performance limitations in some cases (games) but at least you don't have to do manual memory management as a retard monkey.
Its just you, not Google nor T-Mobile who said the G1 can't be upgraded to 2.0 - in fact, the last info bits we are getting are quite positive in that regard.
Its just you, not Google nor T-Mobile who said the G1 can't be upgraded to 2.0 - in fact, the last info bits we are getting are quite positive in that regard.
Just him? You think that makes for a valid argument despite Android v2.0 launching over two months ago and the only way to get v2.0 is from a hack? There is word that it may get v2.1 but that isn?t hear yet, I don?t think it?s official and it?s a little late to finally give a phone that is only a year old an update that other devices got. HTC?s planning is about as sound as your argument.
Since the G1's hardware isn't sufficient enough, wouldn't the Android 2.x upgrade just be a dumbed down port?
They have to cut corners somewhere to deal with HTC?s short-sidedness, but it remains to be seen how it will affect the usability compared to v1x and what v2.1 features will be ported. Hopefully they are clever enough to keep this G1 owners in good form for another year.
Also, I?m pretty sure the number of iPhone OS apps is closer to 150k than 100k.
Personally, I can care less how many thousands of apps are available... I can only really install 160 apps at any one time with current iPhone/iPod Touch constraints....
Personally, I can care less how many thousands of apps are available... I can only really install 160 apps at any one time with current iPhone/iPod Touch constraints....
yeah but you can have hundreds on your computer and choose which to load when - rotate games, have special travel groups, etc. iTunes 9 makes it super easy to manage your apps and organize their display. try that with Android - oh wait, it has no desktop administration application. too bad. and it can't store very many on board thanks to its design anyway. ah! maybe up in the Cloud!
yeah but you can have hundreds on your computer and choose which to load when - rotate games, have special travel groups, etc. iTunes 9 makes it super easy to manage your apps and organize their display. try that with Android - oh wait, it has no desktop administration application. too bad. and it can't store very many on board thanks to its design anyway. ah! maybe up in the Cloud!
That was a nice addition but I think the iPhone needs to have folders.
Boy, Obj-C is a mess and XCode is really a bad joke. Java might have performance limitations in some cases (games) but at least you don't have to do manual memory management as a retard monkey.
Obj-C 2 (Mac OSX since Leopard) has the ability to use garbage collection. Unfortunately the current iPhone SDK doesn't support it yet.
I don't think that reference counts and autorelease pools are for retard monkeys.
i just finished watching the 10 minute video of the Nexus One on Engadget and i must say i am thoroughly impressed. It might not be an iPhone killer by itself but if this is what we are to be expecting from the next year from Android...Apple might need to do a bit more work for wow factor.
Can I remind you of this the next time we all say "WOW, Apple's done it again"?
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i just finished watching the 10 minute video of the Nexus One on Engadget and i must say i am thoroughly impressed. It might not be an iPhone killer by itself but if this is what we are to be expecting from the next year from Android...Apple might need to do a bit more work for wow factor.
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Hello world,
it really looks like only blinders-wearing fanboys comment here...
Sorry guys, the Nexus has way more superior hardware than even the iPhone 3GS... :-(
Well I'd hope so given it releases 6 months later. Besides, both the snapdragon and the samsung ARM used in the iphone 3GS are same generation processors (Cortex A8). Apple could kick the 3GS up to the fully rated speed at the cost of battery life.
The main difference between android and iphone-os is that iphone-os is available on one handset manufactured and controlled by one producer, and software development for it sucks (C? I was not even born when C was invented, and I'm not a youngster) since the hardware-producer wants to control the software that runs on it's device. That's worse than Microsoft does!
ObjectiveC. C was developed in 1972. How old a language is isn't an advantage. Plus Java wasn't developed until 1995 and finally stopped sucking around 2004 with 1.5. Some folks argue it didn't really stop sucking until 1.6 Update 10 (mostly gui devs).
And it should seem pretty obvious that Apple is not Microsoft and Microsoft isn't a major hardware producer but it does tightly control the software used on its hardware (Zune, XBox, etc).
Android is an open-source, free and unrestricted system which as of today runs on 16 handsets made by 6 different companies. I did not count-in the non-phone devices as e.g. the Nook, or the Carmangi.
This is not an advantage. Not for Linux vs the Mac OSX and not for Android vs the iPhone OSX.
From a developer pov comparing android to iphone (java to C) is like driving a car vs riding a horse.
If you were a mobile developer (or any kind of developer) you'd be slightly less clueless about the platforms you're talking about. Personally, I prefer Java to ObjC but I'm used to Java and not ObjC.
So guys, sorry. But it's just a matter of time before you will see android everywhere around you.
Sure, just like we see symbian and winmo. So what?
And app developers will also like the fact that their app not just runs on their mobile, but as well in their car, their digital picture frame, their GPS and so on.
All with different capabilities, software enhancements and screen dimensions. This is just like mobile java development. Which, in a word, sucks.
Edit: One major thing for developer-adoption I forgot is:
To hack android-apps you can use the OS of your choice. You are not humiliated into buying a $1000+ computer to get on hacking.
I write software on my 2009 mini ($600), in .NET, Java and a little ObjC on the side.
Can you remind me what exciting new features the 3GS provided?
Faster Processor - pretty standard feature on every new phone
Better Graphics - again pretty standard
MMS - Apple finally added what was a pretty standard feature on every other phone
Video Recording - again, pretty standard on every other phone with a camera
Voice Command - already available on plenty of other phones
Tethering - pretty standard on other smart phones (and still not available in the U.S.)
Magnetometer - Score one for Apple!
Oleophobic Coating - Number two!
Maybe it's just me but Apple's R&D dept isn't looking very good when all it came up with for new was a compass and a screen coating for the 3GS. Hardly features to salivate over.
But you don't hear people here saying how Apple copied features like MMS and video recording...
Well if all you want to do is a feature checklist comparison then heck, WinMo phones probably win...
The point is that the platform is a rapidly evolving moving target for competitors to match. For Android to catch OSX it needs bullet points and nicely designed foundational APIs and dev tools so devs can easily and quickly use them.
The disadvantage for android is that the hardware isn't also controlled by Google while Apple can dictate that all iPhones moving forward have magnetometers.
Well if all you want to do is a feature checklist comparison then heck, WinMo phones probably win...
The point is that the platform is a rapidly evolving moving target for competitors to match. For Android to catch OSX it needs bullet points and nicely designed foundational APIs and dev tools so devs can easily and quickly use them.
The disadvantage for android is that the hardware isn't also controlled by Google while Apple can dictate that all iPhones moving forward have magnetometers.
to an extent it is, you need to be packing certain hardware to be able to run the latest version of android, the one thing i truly dont like is there being so many different software out (donut, eclair, flan..wtf else there is...) because the upgrades are very small in steps.
WinMo is the same way, and iirc the base requirements for Win7 is like a 600mhz and 512 ram and a capacitive screen and some other things i cant remember off the top of my head.
Whatever upgrade comes in the summer (i SEVERELY doubt we'll see a processor or memory boost) your gonna get very slim hardware improvements, and in fact it will proabably focus on a new radio chip for verizon and the new OS4 and multitasking (then everyone will swoon over whats been here for years by competitors) more than it will the phone.
As someone developing Android apps, I can confidently state that the Cocoa framework and Objective C > Java on the Android and it's performance limitations. That being said, hopefully the Nexus will last longer than the G1 which cannot be upgraded to Firmware 2.0 because of internal flash RAM limitations. 400$ + down the freaking drain.
How is iPhone OS stacking up against the Android NDK?
Can you remind me what exciting new features the 3GS provided?
Faster Processor - pretty standard feature on every new phone
Better Graphics - again pretty standard
MMS - Apple finally added what was a pretty standard feature on every other phone
Video Recording - again, pretty standard on every other phone with a camera
Voice Command - already available on plenty of other phones
Tethering - pretty standard on other smart phones (and still not available in the U.S.)
Magnetometer - Score one for Apple!
Oleophobic Coating - Number two!
Maybe it's just me but Apple's R&D dept isn't looking very good when all it came up with for new was a compass and a screen coating for the 3GS. Hardly features to salivate over.
But you don't hear people here saying how Apple copied features like MMS and video recording...
For me there are some additional big points for Apple.
1. I have by now a wonderful integration with my desktop- and server-applications.
2. My iPhone works great with my loved car hi-fi system (iPod-connector) and hands-free.
3. I never had problems updating the OS or Apps.
4. Although it's not the most important point I would miss some really great games.
5. The Apple "Roadmap" for developers, providers and customers shows a good balance between moving forward and giving devs enough time to test and explore new or changed API's.
The upgrades from 2.x to 3.x were amazing and brought great feature.
4.x will step further.
I judge my invest to be future proof.
BTW: I was able to compare my 3G with a 3GS and got a "must have feeling", but I think I can wait for the next version while I my current device doesn't feels to be out-dated.
For me there are some additional big points for Apple.
1. I have by now a wonderful integration with my desktop- and server-applications.
2. My iPhone works great with my loved car hi-fi system (iPod-connector) and hands-free.
3. I never had problems updating the OS or Apps.
4. Although it's not the most important point I would miss some really great games.
5. The Apple "Roadmap" for developers, providers and customers shows a good balance between moving forward and giving devs enough time to test and explore new or changed API's.
The upgrades from 2.x to 3.x were amazing and brought great feature.
4.x will step further.
I judge my invest to be future proof.
BTW: I was able to compare my 3G with a 3GS and got a "must have feeling", but I think I can wait for the next version while I my current device doesn't feels to be out-dated.
His bullet points are superficial and far from complete. He doesn?t quantify the increased performance of the processor nor even mention the doubling of the RAM, which I find to be two very important aspects as to why I choose to upgrade my 3G after having it less than a year. Turning Mac OS into iPhone OS was not an easy task and the first iPhones were basically at their HW minimum to run the OS decent enough to be a viable product. The Cortex-A8 and 256MB RAM finally brought the iPhone into its own. Older and simpler mobile OSes can use older and simpler HW, but iPhone OS can?t.
I have doubts about Apple upping the RAM this time around. The current system, even with multiple apps running in the background (non-3rd party apps) there is still a fair amount of RAM left over, unlike the first two iPhones. Unless they want to allow more than a couple background apps and have very little regulation over how it functions while running in the background I think we?ll stick with 256MB for another year. I also wonder if we?ll get a new processor this year or just a higher clock speed of the Cortex-A8. I suppose it depends on which is more effective for the device. Any idea is the Cortex-A9s offer better performance per watt?
He also doesn?t mention the faster NAND or HW encryption with the device. Perhaps something most people don?t consider but everyone likes the faster storage access even if they don?t realize it.
looking at today's post in Giz about the Nexus Google phone, it mentioned in passing a connector pin socket in the phone. but there is no dock yet (it uses a mini USB cable). it made me realize that apparently there is no standard Android connector/doc spec! which means that Android's accessory potential will be badly fragmentized too - and if so so few plug in accessories will become available.
sure, USB and blutooth can provide alternative means for connections, but neither is as simple and convenient as a physical dock - plug and play, and it safely stays put.
P.P.S. Why do Iphone and [insert-Iphone-killer-name-here] owners constantly try to put one another down? Why can't we all just say that we love our phones, whichever one it is that we own, and having cell phone service providers/manufacturers/OS developers compete for our hard-earned money is great for all of us! In one, or two, or three years, when it comes time to renew our contracts, just think of the excellent options we'll have because of the market competitions taking place right now.
I just bought a new phone and I'm already excited!
I totally agree. Everyone chooses a phone and carrier that suits there needs. You don't hear flip phone owners arguing. Not one single "HEY you copied off the StarTAC". Form and function has always been copied by other makers and will continue to happen. Apple did that. Everything the iPhone is already existed, Apple just did a great job putting it all together in a very nice package. As a VZW customer I'm happy that they finally offer very good phone. No phone will kill the iPhone but if VZW can stop people from leaving for the iPhone and maybe pick up a few ex-iPhone users than the Droid is a success.
I'm beginning to see why some folk react negatively to Prince McClean's articles. They are, as tech posts go, well-written, sometimes exhaustive, pull together lots of disparate info both past and present, but have a slant that always seems to make Apple look a fairly omniscient, all-wise, etc. and this POV brings him to conclusions that go beyond those a less cheerleading observer might reach.
There are lotsa smart people not working in Cupertino and lots of capital being invested in non-Apple efforts. And if there's a giant corporation people have as much positive attachment to as Apple, it's Google.
I'd be guilty of the reverse bias if I compared what happened last time Apple had market share, mind share and unified platform/software advantage, i.e., the time just before the Apple II got crushed by a motley bunch of manufacturers with inconsistent implementations running multiple versions of an buggy, immature operating system from Microsoft. Guilty because Apple's not a tiny-start up with a garage feel and has spent 30 years building the best image and the most buzz in the entire tech world, so concluding they will inevitably be dethroned again by the sheer breadth of the competition would be an unjustifiable stretch.
Still, they're not invulnerable and Msr. Jobs will retire someday - and his personal charisma, however tightly he's still able to hold the reins and how much mojo he personally brings to the office these days, is Apple's greatest public asset.
And the iWhatever could yet turn into a solution looking for a problem and be the next Newton - really, really cool but not a mass success, or the 4G iPhone could just be a warmover (that's happened with Apple refreshes before as well) and the public is fickle.
Or not. I'm just sayin' I'll still read Prince's articles, but more for the facts he pulls together than for his often over-extrapolated conjectures on same.
No, I think he is right. Time to say Sergey and Larry they'd better close their shop, they have no chance. Prince for the president !
As someone developing Android apps, I can confidently state that the Cocoa framework and Objective C > Java on the Android and it's performance limitations. That being said, hopefully the Nexus will last longer than the G1 which cannot be upgraded to Firmware 2.0 because of internal flash RAM limitations. 400$ + down the freaking drain.
Boy, Obj-C is a mess and XCode is really a bad joke. Java might have performance limitations in some cases (games) but at least you don't have to do manual memory management as a retard monkey.
Its just you, not Google nor T-Mobile who said the G1 can't be upgraded to 2.0 - in fact, the last info bits we are getting are quite positive in that regard.
Its just you, not Google nor T-Mobile who said the G1 can't be upgraded to 2.0 - in fact, the last info bits we are getting are quite positive in that regard.
Just him? You think that makes for a valid argument despite Android v2.0 launching over two months ago and the only way to get v2.0 is from a hack? There is word that it may get v2.1 but that isn?t hear yet, I don?t think it?s official and it?s a little late to finally give a phone that is only a year old an update that other devices got. HTC?s planning is about as sound as your argument.
Since the G1's hardware isn't sufficient enough, wouldn't the Android 2.x upgrade just be a dumbed down port?
They have to cut corners somewhere to deal with HTC?s short-sidedness, but it remains to be seen how it will affect the usability compared to v1x and what v2.1 features will be ported. Hopefully they are clever enough to keep this G1 owners in good form for another year.
Also, I?m pretty sure the number of iPhone OS apps is closer to 150k than 100k.
Personally, I can care less how many thousands of apps are available... I can only really install 160 apps at any one time with current iPhone/iPod Touch constraints....
Personally, I can care less how many thousands of apps are available... I can only really install 160 apps at any one time with current iPhone/iPod Touch constraints....
yeah but you can have hundreds on your computer and choose which to load when - rotate games, have special travel groups, etc. iTunes 9 makes it super easy to manage your apps and organize their display. try that with Android - oh wait, it has no desktop administration application. too bad. and it can't store very many on board thanks to its design anyway. ah! maybe up in the Cloud!
yeah but you can have hundreds on your computer and choose which to load when - rotate games, have special travel groups, etc. iTunes 9 makes it super easy to manage your apps and organize their display. try that with Android - oh wait, it has no desktop administration application. too bad. and it can't store very many on board thanks to its design anyway. ah! maybe up in the Cloud!
That was a nice addition but I think the iPhone needs to have folders.
Boy, Obj-C is a mess and XCode is really a bad joke. Java might have performance limitations in some cases (games) but at least you don't have to do manual memory management as a retard monkey.
Obj-C 2 (Mac OSX since Leopard) has the ability to use garbage collection. Unfortunately the current iPhone SDK doesn't support it yet.
I don't think that reference counts and autorelease pools are for retard monkeys.
http://memo.tv/memory_management_wit...c_cocoa_iphone
Yes, it would be great to have both options on the iPhone, like on the Mac (2007).
i just finished watching the 10 minute video of the Nexus One on Engadget and i must say i am thoroughly impressed. It might not be an iPhone killer by itself but if this is what we are to be expecting from the next year from Android...Apple might need to do a bit more work for wow factor.