ChangeWave is finding high brand recognition for Android among surveyed users who are planning to purchase a smartphone over the next quarter ...
I am sure that Android will do okay, but this survey is seriously flawed and purports to tell us something that it simply has no way of knowing (that almost as many people are thinking of buying a new Android phone as a new iPhone next time they buy one). I know it doesn't explicitly state that, but this is the way the survey is being reported all over the web today and the same implication is in this article too.
Only if they correlated the question of "what OS will you choose for your next smartphone," with what smartphone the person currently has would the answer reveal anything about buyers desire for the OS's in question. The real question (the one they kind of imply they answer with this survey when they don't), is "if you have an iPhone now, how likely are you to buy an Android phone next time?" They say they asked the respondents some basic questions about what they currently had or owned, but then they left that info out? Why would that be?
People who currently own an iPhone and are thinking of buying another next time are essentially noise, just as those already on the Android bandwagon are.
When it comes right down to it, all this survey tells us is that there is currently some interest in and recognition of, the Android platform.
There is no way to differentiate that interest from the same sort of interest the WebOS platform got in the last survey and many reasons to believe that said interest Android is a similar "bubble" to that Palm experienced. I mean come on, the survey was done at the exact same time that some of the first really high profile advertisements for Droid were done and the secret release of the Google phone.
Do the same survey after Steve leaves the stage on January 27th and see what the result will be. I'd wager the response wouldn't be the same at all.
Android is almost there in terms of technical parity with the iPhone OS. However as has been pointed out a couple of times, it is still a bit more sluggish and less polished (though HTC's Sense largely corrects that). Also the so called fragmentation is a problem.
When you look at the content though, Android is not even close. No iTunes, no music, video, podcast sync (that I know of but could be wrong) and app library is still not as large, though most important/ best apps are obviousely on both platforms by now. The competition is heating up for apple though, and they better blow everyone away with iPhone 4G
Don't forget that Jobs bought Pixar and turned it into a success by selling it to Disney.
What has Sculley accomplished since Pepsi? nada.
"Sugar water salesman" that's what Sculley was and should have remained.
Bad move by Steve, ditto for Eric.
Sculley was a manager, not an entrepreneur. Big difference. Jobs has selling and product development and marketing instead of blood coursing through his veins. He was born for Apple.
And Jobs is flawless? Pretty sure it was Jobs that gave Microsoft the original Macs to develop software for. Pretty sure it was Jobs who jacked the entire corporate culture at Apple and got himself ousted. Pretty sure it was Jobs that made a deal again with Microsoft in 1997.
But it was also Jobs that restored Apple.
I realize this is an Apple blog site and so it is stocked full of Apple fanboys, but let's show at least a little objectivity.
Well who was Microsoft back in 1981? They hadn't screwed anyone over yet. By the time the past decade came around nobody would touch anything from Microsoft because they learned their lesson. You saw what Microsoft had to do to convince people that VC-1, aka WMV9 was something that they could use without being screwed later over royalties?
Don't forget that Jobs bought Pixar and turned it into a success by selling it to Disney.
What has Sculley accomplished since Pepsi? nada.
"Sugar water salesman" that's what Sculley was and should have remained.
Bad move by Steve, ditto for Eric.
More asinine comments by MacTripper
Will it ever stop?
You clearly rush pulling the trigger making statements that do not connect. You really should read your history s-l-o-w-l-y, so you better understand what you are talking about.
Prince, I guess I should thank you and your hyper-biased, inflammatory writing for giving me something easy to complain about. Part of what separates you from a journalist, however, is that you don't provide facts to back up your inflammatory commentary.
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while Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-standard 3G network, which is significantly more limited than AT&T's.
What, exactly, is non-standard about T-Mobile's 3G network? Every carrier in the US uses different frequencies from one another. T-Mobile's 3G frequencies being different than AT&T's doesn't make them "non-standard." I've certainly heard T-Mo's 3G coverage is smaller than AT&T's since they just started turning it on in 2009 so I can't disagree with the last part of the quote. Isn't T-Mo's 3G compliant with all 3G standards, simply 3G in a different band than the only other GSM provider in the US? If not, do you have any references backing up the non-standard nature of T-Mo's 3G network? Perhaps what you mean is "Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-iPhone 3G network..."
Prince, I guess I should thank you and your hyper-biased, inflammatory writing for giving me something easy to complain about. Part of what separates you from a journalist, however, is that you don't provide facts to back up your inflammatory commentary.
What, exactly, is non-standard about T-Mobile's 3G network? Every carrier in the US uses different frequencies from one another. T-Mobile's 3G frequencies being different than AT&T's doesn't make them "non-standard." I've certainly heard T-Mo's 3G coverage is smaller than AT&T's since they just started turning it on in 2009 so I can't disagree with the last part of the quote. Isn't T-Mo's 3G compliant with all 3G standards, simply 3G in a different band than the only other GSM provider in the US? If not, do you have any references backing up the non-standard nature of T-Mo's 3G network? Perhaps what you mean is "Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-iPhone 3G network..."
NO, what he meant was, why did a telco use 1700mhz when GSM is on 850/900/1800/1900? Why couldn't they just use 3G on their existing freq band like Att did? Now we have 850/1900 for Att, 1700mhz for T-Mobile US, and 2100 for the rest of the world.
NO, what he meant was, why did a telco use 1700mhz when GSM is on 850/900/1800/1900? Why couldn't they just use 3G on their existing freq band like Att did? Now we have 850/1900 for Att, 1700mhz for T-Mobile US, and 2100 for the rest of the world.
Just to add to this...
Frequency bands deployment
Band I (W-CDMA 2100) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, New Zealand (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)
Band II (W-CDMA 1900) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)
Band IV (W-CDMA 1700) in the United States (T-Mobile USA) and Canada (Wind Mobile)
Band V (W-CDMA 850) in Australia, New Zealand (XT Mobile Network), Brazil, Canada, the USA, Venezuela, Costa Rica, other parts of South America, Israel, parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3), Poland
Band VIII (W-CDMA 900) in Europe, Asia, Australia, New Zealand (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3), and Venezuela (Corporación Digitel, C.A.)
So while the survey was interesting I note that neither they no anyone herein has bothered to call out some simple but telling facts around the measures listed.
First, Android is still in the early adopter phase - especially for the most recent DROID/2.0platform, as a full-featured mobile platform (including Marketplace environment). As such with the higher risk-taking factor of early adopters, there is a tendency to "float" satisfaction scores due to the lower marketshare being owned by these same early adopters. Therefore, just as the first generation iPhone experienced higher than average user satisfaction - so does the Android platform.
It will be interesting to see how Goggle and the Open Mobile Group tries to drive differentiation for the Android platform - which will be needed to make sure that it can become a significant challenge to the RIM/Apple rising threat in the smartphone space. It will also be interesting to see if Nokia perceives Android as enough of a threat to pursue lawsuits and trade complaints against that platform as well.
Also if you look carefully there is no indication that Android gains are necessarily iPhone losses - the market is differentiated enough that given the ascendancy of the RIM, Apple and Google devices, it is easy to see that primarily Nokia/Symbian and WinMo that are suffering the losses, especially as WinMo is slowly being dropped by a number of key mobile hardware manufacturers for the Android platform.
Finally and very telling - does anyone in this thread recall what business model Google is driving? Anyone? Ah yes, advertising. So all development and any freebies they offer are tied to that business model in some way. This isn't altruism on Google's part - it is a very pragmatic and effective way of controlling their ad presence on a burgeoning platform - hence the drive to purchase AdMob (and Apple's response in buying the other mobile ad company) to support that. No product that Google produces deviates from their business model - they all support it in one way or another. It still remains to be proven that this model for mobile devices will be an effective one in the consumer marketplace - geek drool-worthiness notwithstanding. It is the averqage consumer that will drive the success - which is why Google is taking great pains to ensure their mindshare is leveraged to drive awareness for the devices.
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I'm surprised Windows Mobile is still alive....who's using it, Microsoft employees?
... and even only 25% of THEM are 'very satisfied' !
ChangeWave is finding high brand recognition for Android among surveyed users who are planning to purchase a smartphone over the next quarter ...
I am sure that Android will do okay, but this survey is seriously flawed and purports to tell us something that it simply has no way of knowing (that almost as many people are thinking of buying a new Android phone as a new iPhone next time they buy one). I know it doesn't explicitly state that, but this is the way the survey is being reported all over the web today and the same implication is in this article too.
Only if they correlated the question of "what OS will you choose for your next smartphone," with what smartphone the person currently has would the answer reveal anything about buyers desire for the OS's in question. The real question (the one they kind of imply they answer with this survey when they don't), is "if you have an iPhone now, how likely are you to buy an Android phone next time?" They say they asked the respondents some basic questions about what they currently had or owned, but then they left that info out? Why would that be?
People who currently own an iPhone and are thinking of buying another next time are essentially noise, just as those already on the Android bandwagon are.
When it comes right down to it, all this survey tells us is that there is currently some interest in and recognition of, the Android platform.
There is no way to differentiate that interest from the same sort of interest the WebOS platform got in the last survey and many reasons to believe that said interest Android is a similar "bubble" to that Palm experienced. I mean come on, the survey was done at the exact same time that some of the first really high profile advertisements for Droid were done and the secret release of the Google phone.
Do the same survey after Steve leaves the stage on January 27th and see what the result will be. I'd wager the response wouldn't be the same at all.
When you look at the content though, Android is not even close. No iTunes, no music, video, podcast sync (that I know of but could be wrong) and app library is still not as large, though most important/ best apps are obviousely on both platforms by now. The competition is heating up for apple though, and they better blow everyone away with iPhone 4G
You seem confused... Do you believe that monitor power consumption plays a big role in environmental damage?
Uh, yes.
Because the US gets most of it's electricity from burning nasty coal.
By the way, a family dog has twice the carbon footprint of a typical SUV.
A cat, a size of a VW bug.
No frigging sh*t.
Some book, Eat Your Dog, tells it all. Says we should have pets we can eat.
No joke. Check it out.
Don't forget that Jobs bought Pixar and turned it into a success by selling it to Disney.
What has Sculley accomplished since Pepsi? nada.
"Sugar water salesman" that's what Sculley was and should have remained.
Bad move by Steve, ditto for Eric.
Sculley was a manager, not an entrepreneur. Big difference. Jobs has selling and product development and marketing instead of blood coursing through his veins. He was born for Apple.
And Jobs is flawless? Pretty sure it was Jobs that gave Microsoft the original Macs to develop software for. Pretty sure it was Jobs who jacked the entire corporate culture at Apple and got himself ousted. Pretty sure it was Jobs that made a deal again with Microsoft in 1997.
But it was also Jobs that restored Apple.
I realize this is an Apple blog site and so it is stocked full of Apple fanboys, but let's show at least a little objectivity.
Well who was Microsoft back in 1981? They hadn't screwed anyone over yet. By the time the past decade came around nobody would touch anything from Microsoft because they learned their lesson. You saw what Microsoft had to do to convince people that VC-1, aka WMV9 was something that they could use without being screwed later over royalties?
Don't forget that Jobs bought Pixar and turned it into a success by selling it to Disney.
What has Sculley accomplished since Pepsi? nada.
"Sugar water salesman" that's what Sculley was and should have remained.
Bad move by Steve, ditto for Eric.
More asinine comments by MacTripper
Will it ever stop?
You clearly rush pulling the trigger making statements that do not connect. You really should read your history s-l-o-w-l-y, so you better understand what you are talking about.
ChangeWave is finding high brand recognition for Android
iPhone still in the lead
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I HAVE yet to see any phone even come close to the jesus phone
the android deal is 100 percent vaporware hype
the iphone is never sold below a very high markup
the android family of phones already go 2 for 1 and added extra's
the iphone is not for all
so i guess the androids may have a place >> but don't compare the 2
don't
peace
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while Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-standard 3G network, which is significantly more limited than AT&T's.
What, exactly, is non-standard about T-Mobile's 3G network? Every carrier in the US uses different frequencies from one another. T-Mobile's 3G frequencies being different than AT&T's doesn't make them "non-standard." I've certainly heard T-Mo's 3G coverage is smaller than AT&T's since they just started turning it on in 2009 so I can't disagree with the last part of the quote. Isn't T-Mo's 3G compliant with all 3G standards, simply 3G in a different band than the only other GSM provider in the US? If not, do you have any references backing up the non-standard nature of T-Mo's 3G network? Perhaps what you mean is "Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-iPhone 3G network..."
Prince, I guess I should thank you and your hyper-biased, inflammatory writing for giving me something easy to complain about. Part of what separates you from a journalist, however, is that you don't provide facts to back up your inflammatory commentary.
What, exactly, is non-standard about T-Mobile's 3G network? Every carrier in the US uses different frequencies from one another. T-Mobile's 3G frequencies being different than AT&T's doesn't make them "non-standard." I've certainly heard T-Mo's 3G coverage is smaller than AT&T's since they just started turning it on in 2009 so I can't disagree with the last part of the quote. Isn't T-Mo's 3G compliant with all 3G standards, simply 3G in a different band than the only other GSM provider in the US? If not, do you have any references backing up the non-standard nature of T-Mo's 3G network? Perhaps what you mean is "Nexus One is only compatible with T-Mobile's non-iPhone 3G network..."
NO, what he meant was, why did a telco use 1700mhz when GSM is on 850/900/1800/1900? Why couldn't they just use 3G on their existing freq band like Att did? Now we have 850/1900 for Att, 1700mhz for T-Mobile US, and 2100 for the rest of the world.
NO, what he meant was, why did a telco use 1700mhz when GSM is on 850/900/1800/1900? Why couldn't they just use 3G on their existing freq band like Att did? Now we have 850/1900 for Att, 1700mhz for T-Mobile US, and 2100 for the rest of the world.
Just to add to this...
First, Android is still in the early adopter phase - especially for the most recent DROID/2.0platform, as a full-featured mobile platform (including Marketplace environment). As such with the higher risk-taking factor of early adopters, there is a tendency to "float" satisfaction scores due to the lower marketshare being owned by these same early adopters. Therefore, just as the first generation iPhone experienced higher than average user satisfaction - so does the Android platform.
It will be interesting to see how Goggle and the Open Mobile Group tries to drive differentiation for the Android platform - which will be needed to make sure that it can become a significant challenge to the RIM/Apple rising threat in the smartphone space. It will also be interesting to see if Nokia perceives Android as enough of a threat to pursue lawsuits and trade complaints against that platform as well.
Also if you look carefully there is no indication that Android gains are necessarily iPhone losses - the market is differentiated enough that given the ascendancy of the RIM, Apple and Google devices, it is easy to see that primarily Nokia/Symbian and WinMo that are suffering the losses, especially as WinMo is slowly being dropped by a number of key mobile hardware manufacturers for the Android platform.
Finally and very telling - does anyone in this thread recall what business model Google is driving? Anyone? Ah yes, advertising. So all development and any freebies they offer are tied to that business model in some way. This isn't altruism on Google's part - it is a very pragmatic and effective way of controlling their ad presence on a burgeoning platform - hence the drive to purchase AdMob (and Apple's response in buying the other mobile ad company) to support that. No product that Google produces deviates from their business model - they all support it in one way or another. It still remains to be proven that this model for mobile devices will be an effective one in the consumer marketplace - geek drool-worthiness notwithstanding. It is the averqage consumer that will drive the success - which is why Google is taking great pains to ensure their mindshare is leveraged to drive awareness for the devices.