"AT&T is on the losing end because it does not receive any of the revenue associated with software on the App Store, yet is the use of many of those applications that has resulted in poor network quality."
So AT&T will just have to take it's monthly subscription fee, not upgrade thier network and be happy with it. This is the most disengenuous statement I've heard in a while.
I agree that people are getting their panties in a twist over nothing here, but not with your assessment of Bing.
Personally, I don't know any one who searches from that impossibly small, useless field in the mobile Safari bar and I'd think it a bonus to the UI if it was removed. If you want to search on the iPhone, the Google app is far better for the purpose and seamlessly passes control over to Safari once the search is done. Dedicated apps for search (not the browser), are definitely the best way to go on mobiles.
The Bing app is already available so all we are talking about here is Microsoft being added to the list of search providers in mobile Safari and maybe being the default when you first fire up the phone. Who cares really?
Who "wins" in mobile search on the iPhone will ultimately come down to who has the best app and despite the bad design of the Google app in some respects, Bings app is far stupider and harder to use effectively IMO. If Google can give the best search results, and keep on top with the best search app, they don't have anything to worry about at all. It's Microsoft that will end up paying through the nose for a position on the iPhone that won't really do them much good beyond growing a bit of brand recognition.
A separate app for searching the web, what's wrong with the UI of mobile safari?
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Originally Posted by bartfat
If it's coming from an analyst, I have no doubt they feel that by starting this rumor, they can manipulate the stock market and get some free cash from Apple's stock... by shorting it Rinse and repeat.
Apple has been wildly successful delivering premium products and Google's whole existence is predicated on free services that push search ads.
Who cares if Google has Android? It seems to be racing against itself to fall into the Windows Mobile trap - with dozens of slightly different OS versions and hardware configurations in the wild, snapping up niches to be sure, but not offering a compelling 'switch' case to Apple's core market.
Who cares if Google has Chrome? It's, once again, aimed directly at commodity hardware and the internet. It's not going to offer the integrated, consistent experience that Apple creates and sells for a premium. And Google's not going to be nearly as strict with its suppliers as Apple, leading to many of the same inconsistent performance and expectation problems of the Windows market. These are core features to Apple's market and they're not going to leave for Chrome any more than they'll leave for Windows 7.
I bet the Google/Apple 'split' -- evidenced by nothing more than Schmidt leaving Apple's board -- had far more to do with the FTC investigation than any rift or rivalry. The Google Voice thing is a red herring. Google Voice has reliability issues. It mucks up expectations (see: SMS/MMS routing). Did the relationship chill, or did Apple simply not want to see the press filled with people blaming Apple for the slightly-kludgy system and inconsistent performance?
What would make more sense is making Bing the default search, but offering an easy option to set whatever search you would like in the settings (Google, Ask, Yahoo, etc.). It would be too abrupt to just oust Google outright.
A separate app for searching the web, what's wrong with the UI of mobile safari? ...
A dedicated app is always going to be better. Voice search is one of the obvious advantages. It's also just plain faster to hit the Google button than it is to launch Safari, and then find the tiny search field with your finger.
What would make more sense is making Bing the default search, but offering an easy option to set whatever search you would like in the settings (Google, Ask, Yahoo, etc.). It would be too abrupt to just oust Google outright.
Besides the fact that Bing coming from MS, it is by far inferior technology (compare to Google). I can not see Apple in right mind forcing all iPhone users to use something which is not best of the best ( and is not coming from Apple ). I do hope that all this hubbub is abut iPhone OS 4.0 adding Bing as one of choices of Search Engines.
Everyone I know uses that field perfectly well, as I would guess 95% of iPhone users do.
Agreed. I had to laugh when I saw that.
Using the Google App you:
Exit out of safari
Find the Google app and open it
Type in your query and then wait for safari to open your result on a new tab
Besides the irritation of having to close safari to search with the Google app, you then end up with umpteen tabs open. It's just a hassle when I just need to look up some trivial fact or location.
I don't know anyone who doesn't use the built in Safari UI search field and I never end up doing a single search. There are always multiple searches, meaning I would have to wash, rinse, and repeat.
If Bing is set as the default but Google is till an option the people that prefer Google can change at will. Most users will stick to what is set as default as long as the experience is good. If Bing turns out not to offer a great experience then the switching procedure will be something the entire world and their best friends will know about in no time at all. From a user perspective I am not really worried. I use Google Ad-words, however, and get a lot of business that way. I tried MS for a while but I don't think I ever got a single hit through their service.
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So AT&T will just have to take it's monthly subscription fee, not upgrade thier network and be happy with it. This is the most disengenuous statement I've heard in a while.
Talk about double dipping.
Uh, ever heard of Microsoft Office for the Mac? It's almost always on the front page of Shop Mac area of the online Apple Store.
Reiner makes no sense. How would Bing clash with the Mac vs. PC campaign and the Apple brand identity, when Microsoft Office doesn't?
Thats true, i see your point.
I agree that people are getting their panties in a twist over nothing here, but not with your assessment of Bing.
Personally, I don't know any one who searches from that impossibly small, useless field in the mobile Safari bar and I'd think it a bonus to the UI if it was removed. If you want to search on the iPhone, the Google app is far better for the purpose and seamlessly passes control over to Safari once the search is done. Dedicated apps for search (not the browser), are definitely the best way to go on mobiles.
The Bing app is already available so all we are talking about here is Microsoft being added to the list of search providers in mobile Safari and maybe being the default when you first fire up the phone. Who cares really?
Who "wins" in mobile search on the iPhone will ultimately come down to who has the best app and despite the bad design of the Google app in some respects, Bings app is far stupider and harder to use effectively IMO. If Google can give the best search results, and keep on top with the best search app, they don't have anything to worry about at all. It's Microsoft that will end up paying through the nose for a position on the iPhone that won't really do them much good beyond growing a bit of brand recognition.
A separate app for searching the web, what's wrong with the UI of mobile safari?
If it's coming from an analyst, I have no doubt they feel that by starting this rumor, they can manipulate the stock market and get some free cash from Apple's stock... by shorting it
Amen
Besides, the last company I'd expect to make any kind of boneheaded move is Apple.
It's a rumour, people.
Besides, the last company I'd expect to make any kind of boneheaded move is Apple.
True dat. Apple isn't stupid. They'll make the smart move like they always do.
I'd rather have their new turn by turn nav app on the iphone.
How can you say that without knowing what the alternative is like.
Heh, it depends on what do you thing Apple trades against being proud of having created nice ads.
I don't understand what your saying. lol
Apple has been wildly successful delivering premium products and Google's whole existence is predicated on free services that push search ads.
Who cares if Google has Android? It seems to be racing against itself to fall into the Windows Mobile trap - with dozens of slightly different OS versions and hardware configurations in the wild, snapping up niches to be sure, but not offering a compelling 'switch' case to Apple's core market.
Who cares if Google has Chrome? It's, once again, aimed directly at commodity hardware and the internet. It's not going to offer the integrated, consistent experience that Apple creates and sells for a premium. And Google's not going to be nearly as strict with its suppliers as Apple, leading to many of the same inconsistent performance and expectation problems of the Windows market. These are core features to Apple's market and they're not going to leave for Chrome any more than they'll leave for Windows 7.
I bet the Google/Apple 'split' -- evidenced by nothing more than Schmidt leaving Apple's board -- had far more to do with the FTC investigation than any rift or rivalry. The Google Voice thing is a red herring. Google Voice has reliability issues. It mucks up expectations (see: SMS/MMS routing). Did the relationship chill, or did Apple simply not want to see the press filled with people blaming Apple for the slightly-kludgy system and inconsistent performance?
Personally, I don't know any one who searches from that impossibly small, useless field in the mobile Safari bar
Everyone I know uses that field perfectly well, as I would guess 95% of iPhone users do.
I don't understand what your saying. lol
Basically, my saying meant they wouldn't cut janitor jobs at MacDonald's.
Maybe not now, but as a long term strategy it makes sense.
A separate app for searching the web, what's wrong with the UI of mobile safari? ...
A dedicated app is always going to be better. Voice search is one of the obvious advantages. It's also just plain faster to hit the Google button than it is to launch Safari, and then find the tiny search field with your finger.
What would make more sense is making Bing the default search, but offering an easy option to set whatever search you would like in the settings (Google, Ask, Yahoo, etc.). It would be too abrupt to just oust Google outright.
Settings >Safari> Search Provider.
already there, always has been.
A new analysis suggests a Apple-Microsoft deal...
Typo - an Apple ...
sorry but it jumped out and hit me right between the eyes.
Search is search, as long as the end user gets decent results and can get to what it is they are looking for, I don't see the bi(n)g deal.
You're wrong. Anyway, it's not true.
Andrei
Everyone I know uses that field perfectly well, as I would guess 95% of iPhone users do.
Agreed. I had to laugh when I saw that.
Using the Google App you:
Exit out of safari
Find the Google app and open it
Type in your query and then wait for safari to open your result on a new tab
Besides the irritation of having to close safari to search with the Google app, you then end up with umpteen tabs open. It's just a hassle when I just need to look up some trivial fact or location.
I don't know anyone who doesn't use the built in Safari UI search field and I never end up doing a single search. There are always multiple searches, meaning I would have to wash, rinse, and repeat.
Settings >Safari> Search Provider.
already there, always has been.
If Bing is set as the default but Google is till an option the people that prefer Google can change at will. Most users will stick to what is set as default as long as the experience is good. If Bing turns out not to offer a great experience then the switching procedure will be something the entire world and their best friends will know about in no time at all. From a user perspective I am not really worried. I use Google Ad-words, however, and get a lot of business that way. I tried MS for a while but I don't think I ever got a single hit through their service.