It's just one of those personal preferences things; you can't make blanket statements like yours that apply to the other 30 million iPhone users around the world.
Today I reviewed some notes taken at an iPhone dev-event some time ago.
Beside some advertising and hype there is a golden thread: user experience design:
- When You do this than please take care of the memory, here some best practice.
- Please take care of the Human Interface Guidelines. A button is not just a button.
- Before You start XCode please spend a lot of time in the concept of the UI. Here some examples and tips how to increase the user experience?*
When I recall my impressions from MW 2007 or when I first touched Google Earth on the iPhone I'm still blown away from the results of the Apple - Google teamwork.
Sometimes ago Google decided to concentrate on Google experience - a legit direction. I think war and fight are too strong words and it's not a fact that Apple fears competition. (they are used to it for decades)
I feel it's more dissatisfaction about the progress in some areas they hoped Google would innovate and push their platform (experience).
Looking for alternatives is also a legit direction.
* Here a link to an article that describes my impressions better than my words:
The separate Google app does have its benefits, but if I'm already in Safari, I probably won't leave it to go run the app.
It is seamless to switch apps on the iPhone - it is pretty much just like multitasking. So why not just leave Safari running in the background and use the Google window?
If they decide to remove the Google option I'll be more than miffed.
Don't worry. If they remove it you'll soon realize that it was the best thing to do, and you will thank then for it. It happens to all of us sooner or later.
Personally, I don't know any one who searches from that impossibly small, useless field in the mobile Safari bar and I'd think it a bonus to the UI if it was removed.
Interesting, I don't know anyone who doesn't use the awesomely convenient small & efficient field in the mobile Safari bar. In fact, the last 4 people I know who bought iPhones would probably consider that little search field the MOST IMPORTANT part of their iPhone, as they use the device primarily for internet searches through google, second for phone... and usually the first thing people ask me when they get a Touch or iPhone is "how do i search google?".
(for the record... second is "Why can't i connect to wifi?" and third is "does Maps GPS thingy eat up my bandwidth?")
The built in search field and the snap back is the best thing to happen to a browser. This possible move to Bing is a huge deal as Google's success and growth can be directly attributed to the little search field being built into browsers in FF and Safari. It was genius marketing on Google's part.
This is a big deal. Not the second coming of Steve Jobs big deal, or Steve Jobs coming down from Mt. Sinai with the Tablet... but still a big deal.
Interesting, I don't know anyone who doesn't use the awesomely convenient small & efficient field in the mobile Safari bar. In fact, the last 4 people I know who bought iPhones would probably consider that little search field the MOST IMPORTANT part of their iPhone,
just because its apple doesnt automatically make it better.
People have shown side by side start up times of identically specced hardware with the mac winning easily, but that is not the greatest way to test anything. There have also been benchmark tests done showing Apple hardware running Windows to slightly outperform similar hardware form other pc vendors. While I don't know how true the statement is, there has been evidence of it.
One thing I do know is true, is superior attention to detail. I've taken apart an Apple laptop and an HP, and they don't compare at all. The HP had components on top of components, with plastic tape separating them, wires running through part of the bottom case then under the motherboard before eventually finding the top of the motherboard. It was a complete mess. My MBP on the other hand, had a great layout, the hard drive even had a rubber antishock mounting system, every component was visible and accessible, and plastic wasn't required to protect electronic components from other ones. It's not surprising at all that macs seem to work better with windows than a traditional windows computer.
People have shown side by side start up times of identically specced hardware with the mac winning easily, but that is not the greatest way to test anything. There have also been benchmark tests done showing Apple hardware running Windows to slightly outperform similar hardware form other pc vendors. While I don't know how true the statement is, there has been evidence of it.
One thing I do know is true, is superior attention to detail. I've taken apart an Apple laptop and an HP, and they don't compare at all. The HP had components on top of components, with plastic tape separating them, wires running through part of the bottom case then under the motherboard before eventually finding the top of the motherboard. It was a complete mess. My MBP on the other hand, had a great layout, the hard drive even had a rubber antishock mounting system, every component was visible and accessible, and plastic wasn't required to protect electronic components from other ones. It's not surprising at all that macs seem to work better with windows than a traditional windows computer.
i would actually like to see those tests and see if the specs they used were exactly the same. in theory, the same exact same specs should show the exact same numbers.
the layout i wont argue with. apple does a much better job at assembly and placement of the hardware. HP is horrid, and i will never buy from them. ever.
Saying that Apple shouldn't have a strategic partnership with Microsoft because it undercuts their tv ads is like saying in the midst of the Cold War that the USSR and China shouldn't cooperate on diplomatic matters because they're competing against each other in the Olympics.
i would actually like to see those tests and see if the specs they used were exactly the same. in theory, the same exact same specs should show the exact same numbers.
the layout i wont argue with. apple does a much better job at assembly and placement of the hardware. HP is horrid, and i will never buy from them. ever.
The stuff I'm thinking of is over a year old, but specs will never be the same. The listed specs maybe (and they were the same in those tests), but not everything contributing to performance is listed. As an example, when was the last time a laptop manufacturer told you what motherboard they were using? Or the exact hard drive being used? (not all 7200rpm drives are created equal)
In my experience, PC manufacturers tend to pack things in to fill a feature list, that is what sells PCs. With Apple, each piece is considered to be part of a whole, not just a feature/spec to put on a list. I prefer mac hardware over any other brand I've had experience with, even if the "specs" are the same.
Apple treated us to Google for all these years, until Google came out with a competing mobile phone OS and hardware...
Now Apple is in talks with Bing...
What will Apple do when Microsoft announces their version of a competing phone OS and hardware like they did with Zune, regardless of how much of a failure that was or not?
They will probably start talks with another web browser.
Apple's war with Google isn't. they don't hate Google. it's still a friendly compet. as is this war with Microsoft. And all sides get that.
My issue with Bing is that it's not very mature as a search tool. I can't see Apple putting it at the forefront and lessening the user experience.
I can see perhaps making Bing one of the options but not making it the default.
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Originally Posted by vinney57
The analysis is nonsense; clearly a Google-inspired plant to counteract the obviously Apple-planted rumour.
but what does Google have to win with this rumor. or for that matter Apple.
Microsoft on the other hand. Bing being associated with Apple could be seen as improving the decision' engine's street cred. so if anyone is leaking a fake rumor, my vote is Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by reverie
The iPhone's Maps applications is made by Apple. Google merely delivers the content. T
point to note, Apple bought out a map service (I think called PlaceBase) last year.
Worthless analysts. Its Bing, it's not Windows Bing. Consumers are smart enough to know that Mac is being touted over Windows not Bing. These analysts are mentally lazy wankers.
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I'd rather have their new turn by turn nav app on the iphone.
I would to without paying the high price the GPS maps are charging. Those Maps need some competition.
It's just one of those personal preferences things; you can't make blanket statements like yours that apply to the other 30 million iPhone users around the world.
Everybody always agrees with Gazooby.
Beside some advertising and hype there is a golden thread: user experience design:
- When You do this than please take care of the memory, here some best practice.
- Please take care of the Human Interface Guidelines. A button is not just a button.
- Before You start XCode please spend a lot of time in the concept of the UI. Here some examples and tips how to increase the user experience?*
When I recall my impressions from MW 2007 or when I first touched Google Earth on the iPhone I'm still blown away from the results of the Apple - Google teamwork.
Sometimes ago Google decided to concentrate on Google experience - a legit direction. I think war and fight are too strong words and it's not a fact that Apple fears competition. (they are used to it for decades)
I feel it's more dissatisfaction about the progress in some areas they hoped Google would innovate and push their platform (experience).
Looking for alternatives is also a legit direction.
* Here a link to an article that describes my impressions better than my words:
http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/pu...ate_like_apple
The separate Google app does have its benefits, but if I'm already in Safari, I probably won't leave it to go run the app.
It is seamless to switch apps on the iPhone - it is pretty much just like multitasking. So why not just leave Safari running in the background and use the Google window?
If they decide to remove the Google option I'll be more than miffed.
Don't worry. If they remove it you'll soon realize that it was the best thing to do, and you will thank then for it. It happens to all of us sooner or later.
True, the guy IS clueless. Doesn't he know that Mac users run WIndows software on their machines, or that their machines can run the WIndows OS?
Macs run Windows better than Windows machines can run it
Macs run Windows better than Windows machines can run it
do you have proof of that?
Personally, I don't know any one who searches from that impossibly small, useless field in the mobile Safari bar and I'd think it a bonus to the UI if it was removed.
Interesting, I don't know anyone who doesn't use the awesomely convenient small & efficient field in the mobile Safari bar. In fact, the last 4 people I know who bought iPhones would probably consider that little search field the MOST IMPORTANT part of their iPhone, as they use the device primarily for internet searches through google, second for phone... and usually the first thing people ask me when they get a Touch or iPhone is "how do i search google?".
(for the record... second is "Why can't i connect to wifi?" and third is "does Maps GPS thingy eat up my bandwidth?")
The built in search field and the snap back is the best thing to happen to a browser. This possible move to Bing is a huge deal as Google's success and growth can be directly attributed to the little search field being built into browsers in FF and Safari. It was genius marketing on Google's part.
This is a big deal. Not the second coming of Steve Jobs big deal, or Steve Jobs coming down from Mt. Sinai with the Tablet... but still a big deal.
Interesting, I don't know anyone who doesn't use the awesomely convenient small & efficient field in the mobile Safari bar. In fact, the last 4 people I know who bought iPhones would probably consider that little search field the MOST IMPORTANT part of their iPhone,
It's right up there, no foolin.
do you have proof of that?
Everybody knows it is true.
Everybody knows it is true.
no they dont.
just because its apple doesnt automatically make it better.
no they dont.
just because its apple doesnt automatically make it better.
People have shown side by side start up times of identically specced hardware with the mac winning easily, but that is not the greatest way to test anything. There have also been benchmark tests done showing Apple hardware running Windows to slightly outperform similar hardware form other pc vendors. While I don't know how true the statement is, there has been evidence of it.
One thing I do know is true, is superior attention to detail. I've taken apart an Apple laptop and an HP, and they don't compare at all. The HP had components on top of components, with plastic tape separating them, wires running through part of the bottom case then under the motherboard before eventually finding the top of the motherboard. It was a complete mess. My MBP on the other hand, had a great layout, the hard drive even had a rubber antishock mounting system, every component was visible and accessible, and plastic wasn't required to protect electronic components from other ones. It's not surprising at all that macs seem to work better with windows than a traditional windows computer.
People have shown side by side start up times of identically specced hardware with the mac winning easily, but that is not the greatest way to test anything. There have also been benchmark tests done showing Apple hardware running Windows to slightly outperform similar hardware form other pc vendors. While I don't know how true the statement is, there has been evidence of it.
One thing I do know is true, is superior attention to detail. I've taken apart an Apple laptop and an HP, and they don't compare at all. The HP had components on top of components, with plastic tape separating them, wires running through part of the bottom case then under the motherboard before eventually finding the top of the motherboard. It was a complete mess. My MBP on the other hand, had a great layout, the hard drive even had a rubber antishock mounting system, every component was visible and accessible, and plastic wasn't required to protect electronic components from other ones. It's not surprising at all that macs seem to work better with windows than a traditional windows computer.
i would actually like to see those tests and see if the specs they used were exactly the same. in theory, the same exact same specs should show the exact same numbers.
the layout i wont argue with. apple does a much better job at assembly and placement of the hardware. HP is horrid, and i will never buy from them. ever.
I as a Mac user really hates Flash! One thing I can say that Silver light is a much better plug-in on OS X than Flash.
Amen.
i would actually like to see those tests and see if the specs they used were exactly the same. in theory, the same exact same specs should show the exact same numbers.
the layout i wont argue with. apple does a much better job at assembly and placement of the hardware. HP is horrid, and i will never buy from them. ever.
The stuff I'm thinking of is over a year old, but specs will never be the same. The listed specs maybe (and they were the same in those tests), but not everything contributing to performance is listed. As an example, when was the last time a laptop manufacturer told you what motherboard they were using? Or the exact hard drive being used? (not all 7200rpm drives are created equal)
In my experience, PC manufacturers tend to pack things in to fill a feature list, that is what sells PCs. With Apple, each piece is considered to be part of a whole, not just a feature/spec to put on a list. I prefer mac hardware over any other brand I've had experience with, even if the "specs" are the same.
Apple treated us to Google for all these years, until Google came out with a competing mobile phone OS and hardware...
Now Apple is in talks with Bing...
What will Apple do when Microsoft announces their version of a competing phone OS and hardware like they did with Zune, regardless of how much of a failure that was or not?
They will probably start talks with another web browser.
My issue with Bing is that it's not very mature as a search tool. I can't see Apple putting it at the forefront and lessening the user experience.
I can see perhaps making Bing one of the options but not making it the default.
The analysis is nonsense; clearly a Google-inspired plant to counteract the obviously Apple-planted rumour.
but what does Google have to win with this rumor. or for that matter Apple.
Microsoft on the other hand. Bing being associated with Apple could be seen as improving the decision' engine's street cred. so if anyone is leaking a fake rumor, my vote is Microsoft.
The iPhone's Maps applications is made by Apple. Google merely delivers the content. T
point to note, Apple bought out a map service (I think called PlaceBase) last year.