Steve Jobs: Apple tablet "the most importing thing I've ever done"

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  • Reply 101 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    I dont remember seeing those articles but the iPhone fails miserably at security so you can nix that idea. iPhone in education...maybe but limited. Medical field i cant really say but im not sure how i would feel about someone carrying/having access to my medical records in their pocket. Sure the extent goes beyond that but im too tired to think of anything.



    Their computers work well for education/medical/science purposes but the government essentially runs on Windows and that most likely wont be changing.



    I personally would rather see this tablet be more education focused than being some useless content device to carry around.



    I've been saying, since the first iphone, "they need to make something like this, but with a bigger screen". Now that it is looking more like reality, i have to say i'm becoming less interested, but still very excited.



    Price is going to be an issue for many. The only way for this device to save the print industry, is to make this tablet weigh as much as the Touch, and cost about half the price of the touch. I've been saying for years taht the digital newspaper has to be affordable to save the print industry. LIke $50-$100. Yes, i understand this is not feasible with current technology, but it's what they needs to happen. We as consumers need a reader/internet device taht works in a cloud and is seamless and affordable, and i don't really think this is what the new "Creation" is, but it might be the beginings of it.



    The second thing the print industry needs to do to get out of thier self-inflicted mess, and hopefully Apple will help out here, is to make all print media in a single copy-protected format. Like PDF for example. Sure that puts a lot of $$$ in Adobe's hands...but it just solves the problem of the format wars, like with HDDVD and Blu-Ray, VHS and Beta, etc...consumer looses when companies get proprietary.
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  • Reply 102 of 152
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    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    In my country, in the past decade the main newspapers that used to be the vanguard of intelligent writing and reporting have fallen to the wayside with propaganda and all sorts of uninteresting stuff.



    What's the country?
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  • Reply 103 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post


    How do you figure the Mini is a failure? They're still making them. I know. I just bought one.



    Great computer, by the way.



    Most are opting for the iMac instead but I like the idea of being able to retain my monitor when I decide to trade up to a new desktop. With the iMac you're stuck having to get rid of a perfectly good monitor years before it has stopped working well on account of the computer attached to it has packed it in. Last time I checked, computers don't last more than 10 years but good monitors do.



    Granted, for the price of my Mini, an external hard drive and a 24" Cinema Display (terrific monitor, by the way) I could have bought a 27" iMac and had better specs. But the Mini is fast enough for my needs and a few years from now, I will be able to trade it in for a machine faster than the current iMac, get a decent dollar in trade, and be good to go for a few more years. I'll be able to do that several times during the lifespan of the monitor. Every time I get a new machine, I can update my OS and iLife free of charge. Long-term, the Mini is a better deal.



    That's 100% the reason why my last computer ended up as a PC. The Mini is a great machine but isn't powerful enough for my line of work, and i'm kicking myself for not buying one now since i really don't work much at home after changing jobs. The Mac Pro is way more than i need and way out of my price range. My industry is primarily PC based and REVIT doesn't work on Macs, unless you load Windows on it. Which, why would i buy a Mac to run Windows? As my girlfriend says, "i'm not going to taint my Mac with Microsoft Products".



    Periferals are not disposable and don't need upgrading as often as computers. when are they going to make a iMac in a Mini form factor? Probably never, but it's worth hoping for one.
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  • Reply 104 of 152
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    That's 100% the reason why my last computer ended up as a PC. The Mini is a great machine but isn't powerful enough for my line of work, and i'm kicking myself for not buying one now since i really don't work much at home after changing jobs. The Mac Pro is way more than i need and way out of my price range. My industry is primarily PC based and REVIT doesn't work on Macs, unless you load Windows on it. Which, why would i buy a Mac to run Windows? As my girlfriend says, "i'm not going to taint my Mac with Microsoft Products".



    Periferals are not disposable and don't need upgrading as often as computers. when are they going to make a iMac in a Mini form factor? Probably never, but it's worth hoping for one.



    you buy a 27" iMac and it becomes your monitor (or 2nd monitor) with your next computer.
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  • Reply 105 of 152
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    Originally Posted by kdaniel View Post


    Long time reader and fan, never posted.



    And as another poster said -- the article glosses over many failures of Jobs: The cube, like other products, failed because it was a complete FORM without FUNCTION.... I still won't buy an iMac because you can't even replace the disk drive WHEN (not IF) it fails or should you actually want a bigger one!



    Apple will always be a niche player as long as they, like yesterday, insist on 40% profit margins --- Bill Gates may have sold CRAP for many years, but he recognizes the value of selling a LOT of it and building market share. Steve Jobs does not.



    And what happened to all the fanboys who declared that Jobs/Apple would destroy the corrupt system of cellphone mega monopolies???



    But, he is not perfect. He makes mistakes. Sometimes very expensive mistakes.



    I am interested to see what tomorrow brings. But, if it's tied only to ATT --- no tablet for me either!



    Cube: yes - form over function in a product category that already existed with nothing else to differentiate it - not something that can be applied to the iTab



    Niche player - yes - but wildly successful - you are not grasping the business angle here - market share is not relevant if you have critical mass in software (which the Mac does). Profitability is everything - Dell, HP's PC business, Acer etc. are all horribly thin margins with no hope of improvement - they have destroyed their own market in a race to the bottom. Bill Gates believes in much higher margins for most of his products (software) whose growth has never been based on low prices but on the success of the PC platfomr and monopolistic practices. Where he has moved into hardware, it has typically been a business failure (xBox, Zune - all money pits). Apple is slowly growing share at stellar margins which is the right way to go. A lunge for share by lowering prices puts Apple in Dell's place - and you can rarely ever raise prices after you have slashed them.



    Carrier monopolies - not smashed but very different - now more and more people talk about platforms not phones, choose carriers based on platform availability, buy apps/ringtones etc. at market not carrier set prices, etc. Certainly an evolution away from carrier dominance. Don't expect Rome to fall in a day...



    Yes he fails - but that is what makes him successful - he learns from failures...
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  • Reply 106 of 152
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    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    That's 100% the reason why my last computer ended up as a PC. The Mini is a great machine but isn't powerful enough for my line of work, and i'm kicking myself for not buying one now since i really don't work much at home after changing jobs. The Mac Pro is way more than i need and way out of my price range. My industry is primarily PC based and REVIT doesn't work on Macs, unless you load Windows on it. Which, why would i buy a Mac to run Windows? As my girlfriend says, "i'm not going to taint my Mac with Microsoft Products".



    Periferals are not disposable and don't need upgrading as often as computers. when are they going to make a iMac in a Mini form factor? Probably never, but it's worth hoping for one.



    As CPUS and GPUs get more powerful, the limits on what you can do with a Mini are diminished. I have the 2.53 version and it's a dramatic step up from my previous 1.87 model which netted me a surprisingly decent amount in a trade. Being able to hook up an external 7200 RPM drive via the faster Firewire 800 technology has also contributed to dramatic performance gains.



    Down the road an even more compact Mini using solid-state hard drives is very likely. At that point they might just call it something else. A computer so portable you could practically stick in in your pocket. That could lead to some interesting developments. Maybe develop a dock that contains the optical drive, power supply and peripheral connections. Set up a dock in each of multiple locations and take your computer along with you. Maybe have docks set up in multiple locations in your home. Plug it into a desktop set-up, then drop it into your home entertainment unit in another room when it's needed there. Have a dock at work and one at home. Stop by a friend's place and use their dock to show them something on your unit. Just a thought.
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  • Reply 107 of 152
    tipootipoo Posts: 1,162member
    Its the most important thing I've ever done. Not that big a deal.







    -Sent from my iPhone.







    Has that joke been overused yet? Nah.
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  • Reply 108 of 152
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    Originally Posted by kdaniel View Post


    Long time reader and fan?I still won't buy an iMac because you can't even replace the disk drive WHEN (not IF) it fails or should you actually want a bigger one!



    BS You are a troll.



    Perhaps you should have done some more reading before you posted this crap.



    And for those that want to upgrade their hard drives*, it is not impossible and in some cases actually quite easy. Obvious if you are apprehensive, let an expert do it.



    Obviously you have difficulty reading. Just because you can't do an oil change, doesn't mean that you don't buy a car.



    *http://www.macworld.com/article/1451...arddrives.html
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  • Reply 109 of 152
    LOL. Oye. So much hype.



    Still, unless there is an unexpected paradigm shift, I'm not going to be on the market for one. It would be great if there was more to it than just the expected larger iphone, e-reader, hand recognition stuff. We'll see.
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  • Reply 110 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    you buy a 27" iMac and it becomes your monitor (or 2nd monitor) with your next computer.



    in the interest of fugality and re-using peripherals...no.

    my reply was based on the fact that it's a waste to replace both the monitor with the cpu when the monitor is still good.
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  • Reply 111 of 152
    daveyjjdaveyjj Posts: 120member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post


    One more thing. Because the hype leading up to tomorrow's event is absolutely insane, the initial reaction to the device will be major disappointment. Ignore that reaction and wait a bit to see what the fundamental impact of the device will be before passing judgement. Even if it is a game changer, it takes a while for the game to change and Apple's innovations do seem less than they really are at first glance. In the beginning the iPod was just a music player.



    I have been saying this for weeks now to anyone at work who will listen. I suspect that on so many levels Apple is fully capable of creating a thing that redefines what a portable PC is, what it's for, and how we interact with it. It may take even us fanatics, who first owned an Apple II, time to see it but its fully possible.



    I don't doubt the standard initial reactions from the usual quarters (over-priced, too slow, not enough memory, can't do this or that) will happen, but your line about "wait a bit to see what the fundamental impact of the device will be" is utterly right.
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  • Reply 112 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Capnbob View Post


    Cube: yes - form over function in a product category that already existed with nothing else to differentiate it - not something that can be applied to the iTab



    Niche player - yes - but wildly successful - you are not grasping the business angle here - market share is not relevant if you have critical mass in software (which the Mac does). Profitability is everything - Dell, HP's PC business, Acer etc. are all horribly thin margins with no hope of improvement - they have destroyed their own market in a race to the bottom. Bill Gates believes in much higher margins for most of his products (software) whose growth has never been based on low prices but on the success of the PC platfomr and monopolistic practices. Where he has moved into hardware, it has typically been a business failure (xBox, Zune - all money pits). Apple is slowly growing share at stellar margins which is the right way to go. A lunge for share by lowering prices puts Apple in Dell's place - and you can rarely ever raise prices after you have slashed them.



    Carrier monopolies - not smashed but very different - now more and more people talk about platforms not phones, choose carriers based on platform availability, buy apps/ringtones etc. at market not carrier set prices, etc. Certainly an evolution away from carrier dominance. Don't expect Rome to fall in a day...



    Yes he fails - but that is what makes him successful - he learns from failures...



    what was so horrible about the cube. Seems to be exactly what i need right now. Apple makes the Mac Mini, and the Mac Mega as a seperate CPU why not a mid-grade model?
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  • Reply 113 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post


    As CPUS and GPUs get more powerful, the limits on what you can do with a Mini are diminished. I have the 2.53 version and it's a dramatic step up from my previous 1.87 model which netted me a surprisingly decent amount in a trade. Being able to hook up an external 7200 RPM drive via the faster Firewire 800 technology has also contributed to dramatic performance gains.



    Down the road an even more compact Mini using solid-state hard drives is very likely. At that point they might just call it something else. A computer so portable you could practically stick in in your pocket. That could lead to some interesting developments. Maybe develop a dock that contains the optical drive, power supply and peripheral connections. Set up a dock in each of multiple locations and take your computer along with you. Maybe have docks set up in multiple locations in your home. Plug it into a desktop set-up, then drop it into your home entertainment unit in another room when it's needed there. Have a dock at work and one at home. Stop by a friend's place and use their dock to show them something on your unit. Just a thought.



    yeah, i bought my last machine 1 year ago, before they made the much-needed improved Mini. But I needed a machine at the time. My last machine was a 2001 Dell and i had updated LCD and peripherals. At the time, apple didn't have a mid-grade CPU other than the iMac, which to me is a waste when i have perfectly good monitor, plus i don't have a use for a 2nd monitor, or will i want the guilt of replacing the iMac when CPU gets older.



    I think the a-la-cart computer is still here to stay, and i look forward to the improvements you are predicting.
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  • Reply 114 of 152
    Hello,

    This is my first post. Got so excited about the tablet and registered here.

    While browsing I found this . So what do you think - is this a leak or a fake ?

    Doesn't look very good in my opinion ...
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  • Reply 115 of 152
    ifailifail Posts: 463member
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    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    The second thing the print industry needs to do to get out of thier self-inflicted mess, and hopefully Apple will help out here, is to make all print media in a single copy-protected format. Like PDF for example. Sure that puts a lot of $$$ in Adobe's hands...but it just solves the problem of the format wars, like with HDDVD and Blu-Ray, VHS and Beta, etc...consumer looses when companies get proprietary.



    PDF would work but when your content goes beyond images and words then it falters horribly.



    Apple wont be able to force one standard, they couldnt do it with MP3/iPod and they cant do it now if they want widespread adoption. All Apple needs to do is just support as many formats as possible (but have one PREFERRED for their iTunes Book Store, .pkg possibly with DRM? talk about nostalgia) this will essentially kill the overpriced Kindle and the Nook where they are. Lord knows that if you CAN use the iPhone Apps like the Nook and Kindle they are both screwed. It wouldnt surprise me if they pulled their apps very soon.
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  • Reply 116 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by SSabev View Post


    Hello,

    This is my first post. Got so excited about the tablet and registered here.

    While browsing I found this . So what do you think - is this a leak or a fake ?

    Doesn't look very good in my opinion ...



    the UI doesn't really look "Apple". But who knows.

    I thought your post was spam until i watched the video.

    It could be a leak or just really good speculative marketing.

    Interesting that they call it the "iPad", since that seems to be the name most people are speculating it is.
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  • Reply 117 of 152
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
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    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    PDF would work but when your content goes beyond images and words then it falters horribly.



    Apple wont be able to force one standard, they couldnt do it with MP3/iPod and they cant do it now if they want widespread adoption. All Apple needs to do is just support as many formats as possible (but have one PREFERRED for their iTunes Book Store, .pkg possibly with DRM? talk about nostalgia) this will essentially kill the overpriced Kindle and the Nook where they are. Lord knows that if you CAN use the iPhone Apps like the Nook and Kindle they are both screwed. It wouldnt surprise me if they pulled their apps very soon.



    well, Amazon has a Kindle App for the iphone/Touch. My guess is that Amazon makes more money of e-book sales than the Kindle. All about volume and if they can get iphone users to purchase e-books from the App, the more the better for them.
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  • Reply 118 of 152
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    Originally Posted by SSabev View Post


    Hello,

    This is my first post. Got so excited about the tablet and registered here.

    While browsing I found this . So what do you think - is this a leak or a fake ?

    Doesn't look very good in my opinion ...



    I must admit, that does look rather convincing.



    I think the UI DOES look Apple - looks just like the iPhone with menu bar thingies...





    EDIT: it seems that parts of that video have been doing the rounds since December.
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  • Reply 119 of 152
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    the UI doesn't really look "Apple". But who knows.

    I thought your post was spam until i watched the video.

    It could be a leak or just really good speculative marketing.

    Interesting that they call it the "iPad", since that seems to be the name most people are speculating it is.



    Yes, it looks rather convincing. But the design is not so "Apple-ish". It just looks as if they just stretched the iPhone to the left and to the right ... \
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  • Reply 120 of 152
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    Originally Posted by reliason View Post


    The puff piece on Jobs career gloss over many of Jobs' failures.



    The Apple Lisa

    The Hiring of Scully

    NeXT failure to find a niche (it was not started as an OS company, but as a hardware vendor to compete with MS and Apple)

    The eMate

    The Mac Cube

    Apple TV



    Failures? Not at all.



    Lisa: Don't know.

    Scully: Introduced Newton, a product that was ahead of its time; Jobs has now come back to it

    NeXT: That was the basis for OSX (if I recall right)

    eMate: Don't know.

    The Cube: The most beautiful, brilliantly designed computer - ever - by Apple. Mine still works, and is a thing of joy.

    AppleTV: Underperforms relative to potential, but performs exactly as promised. Still very much a work-in-progress and will be addressed some day, while other things (iPod, iPhone, iSlate) have priority in Apple's field of vision. I.e., too early to tell.
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