Apple to target iPad at business users through new features - sources

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.



    FOR ME.



    First time I head that I was the only person to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.
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  • Reply 182 of 282
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Hal 9000 View Post


    First time I head that I was the only persone to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.



    Already printed and filed under 'A' for asshat.
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  • Reply 183 of 282
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
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    I'm mainly a PC user, due to my line of work and the software necessary that's not made for Macs, but being able to write with a stylus and draw on the iPad is a serious oversight on the part of SJ/Apple. It would revolutionize the Education segment and most businesses that use paper and pen.



    There was a time, I have to write with a pen to capture my thoughts and then type them. While I never became a touched typist, the more I use the computer. the less I depended on the pen.



    Whether it is good or bad, the current generation is computer centric, initially with a physical keyboard, and perhaps later on a virtual keyboard. Technology wise, a virtual keyboard is more versatile in a multi-lingual global village, and more practical in a technological settings. Think of all those symbols used in science and technology for example.



    But, to go back to your suggestion in regard an omission, there might already be an App for that. Or, it can be anpther App that can be developed, rather than hardware revision.. The "Brushes" is an App, that may be intended for art, but with the right creator, can be used as a model to create for the writing tech you have in mind, maybe even without revision of the hardware. At the same time, improvement in the resolution of the pixelation of the multi-touch surface, may be a hardware technology advancement of the concept you have in mind.



    Even with current limitations however, I am not an expert on it, but very simple mobile devices are being used now to developed learning tools for younger students (pre K and up). A friend of mind downloads them regularly.
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  • Reply 184 of 282
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    Already printed and filed under 'A' for asshat.



    in plain english?....
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  • Reply 185 of 282
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Hal 9000 View Post


    in plain english?....



    Joking that I printed out and filed iGenius' comment.
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  • Reply 186 of 282
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    It's also pretty easy to use the clock on the YouTube video to determine the time.



    Not as easy as you would think, especially if you want to know "exactly". That's why I timed it, using the YT timeline you have to work it out.
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    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member
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    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Nope. All websites are the set. The sites that can be optimally accessed by the 'Pad are the subset. ...



    I wouldn't belabour this point if I were you.



    While it's true that you are more versed in wordplay than the others and are using the term correctly in a technical sense, the colloquial usage has always been to refer to things as "subsets" when they are small and insignificant. It's more proper therefore to refer to (minority) Flash sites as the subset and not the (majority) non-Flash sites as the subset.



    Of course you are right that both are "subsets," but almost no one would ever use the term that way, and your'e just wasting a lot of ink and pixels messing with these guys over a meaningless point.
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  • Reply 188 of 282
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Not as easy as you would think, especially if you want to know "exactly". That's why I timed it, using the YT timeline you have to work it out.



    I concede to your point.
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  • Reply 189 of 282
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.



    FOR ME.





    Are you for real? How long have you been using computer devices and accessories, and the internet?



    What sort of business are you in? I had to enter into legal agreements in relation to business, and all the documents had to be printed. I have to send by FAX, pdf documents because the other parties intend to copy physical (meaning printed) as opposed to electronic files of the contracts. Some had to be sent by snail mail (again printed) because they want the original documents.



    My financial transactions, where signatures also are required, they need original printed documents.



    Proclamations like "NOBODY" therefore discloses your grasp of the current real; world.



    Have you ever heard of the term: "technology obsolescence" or something like that? Or in the world of massive hacking, how ephemeral electronic data because they can be easily destroyed in a split second?



    Next time you will tell us, all libraries will become virtual.



    It is true that electronic documents are becoming more in vogue. But, here in the US, and other parts of the world that I visited, paper documents are still the srandard. "Staples" and other office supplies stores sell paper in bulk, at a very cheap price, and still make a profit, because there is so much demand.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    FOR ME.



    Don't we all wish the world behaves always like we view it. But, in any case, if you are in a "printless: universe, I do hope you keep lots and lots of electronic backups, and update your backups religiously.
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  • Reply 190 of 282
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    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    It's funny. These new features (i.e. printing to a network, network file retreival) that's exactly what i've been complaining that the iPad doesn't have that i wish it did. Hopefully these features will make it to the consumer version and not just the Enterprise. I'm curious how that's going to work if it's all through iTunes?



    However. I think the lack of thinking that this iPad could replace the physical paper notepad with a handy addition of an Apple stylus and handwriting recognition built into iNotes would be very cool! I'm an architect and using the iPad as a sketching tool for field work and meeting would be excellent! Plus if the stylus could work in Acrobat files to make notes and draw things it would be such a huge addition to the architect's palette!



    Hope someone writes an App for it, give SJ's hatred of the stylus, we'll probably never see Apple make one.



    Where did you see that it didn't. You can certainly you can import iWork '09 and Microsoft Office documents and send them back. And the fact that it Apple built iWork '10 for the iPad, one must be braindead to think that you couldn't print to a network printer.



    And for sketching, just a peak at the new Brushes on the iPad at the 42 minute mark is amazing.
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  • Reply 191 of 282
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by RCO3 View Post


    For two frickin' YEARS I've seen you post the same thing over and over and over - Apple's tablet MUST have the ability to present NATIVE Keynote files and connect to a projector. It MUST.



    Well, now it does, and all you can say is that it has to be PowerPoint. MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND! Hey, question for you - do you recall which division of Apple is responsible for porting Office to the iPad?



    Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.



    Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
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  • Reply 192 of 282
    cgc0202cgc0202 Posts: 624member
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    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    I wouldn't belabour this point if I were you.



    While it's true that you are more versed in wordplay than the others and are using the term correctly in a technical sense, the colloquial usage has always been to refer to things as "subsets" when they are small and insignificant. It's more proper therefore to refer to (minority) Flash sites as the subset and not the (majority) non-Flash sites as the subset.



    Of course you are right that both are "subsets," but almost no one would ever use the term that way, and your'e just wasting a lot of ink and pixels messing with these guys over a meaningless point.



    You concede too quickly. What may be universal or standard (the predominant)today may be obsolete tomorrow. And what may be denighrated as a subset or what is taken as a minority today may become the standard tomorrow.



    Just take a few examples of the evolution of technologies.



    Once horses and horse/mule driven carts were the most prevalent mode of transportation, then the "horseless car" replaced them. The same thing happens in internet and mobile computing.



    Cases in point, once IBM was king. Have you ever heard of Wang Computer? Compaq? or Digital Computer? AOL was once the 800-pound gorilla. Yahoo was once the darling. Microsoft (is it still perceived as the prime mover)? Google was not even around a few years ago. Facebook, etc. Each became predominant withe the technologies they invented, or became popular for their marketing savvy



    10 Years, 20 Years from now we would not recognize the landscape and the predominant internet and computing technologies.



    Arguments that fall back on standards, or the most predominant are basically flawed.



    There is only the "constancy" of change -- especially when it comes to technology.
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  • Reply 193 of 282
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post


    Nobody prints anymore ? I get it now - you come from the future - THIS future...



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yQunhOaU0



    where nobody reads either...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    Who says it won't print? It has blue tooth - one of my printers here is bluetooth, it has also has a USB adapter. No one has said it won't print, unless I'm missing something?



    Can't remember the last time i printed anything, or faxed anything for that matter. File > PDF > Email delivery. Simples.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astroturf1 View Post


    I disagree, you need print capability, presentation handouts, specifications, etc. until the whole world has gone digital. Then you'll just need a way to easily and instantly share the digital items on your device with those around you without giving them full access... Until then, business rolls on with printers!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hal 9000 View Post


    First time I head that I was the only person to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cgc0202 View Post


    Are you for real? How long have you been using computer devices and accessories, and the internet?



    What sort of business are you in? I had to enter into legal agreements in relation to business, and all the documents had to be printed. I have to send by FAX, pdf documents because the other parties intend to copy physical (meaning printed) as opposed to electronic files of the contracts. Some had to be sent by snail mail (again printed) because they want the original documents.



    My financial transactions, where signatures also are required, they need original printed documents.



    Proclamations like "NOBODY" therefore discloses your grasp of the current real; world.



    Have you ever heard of the term: "technology obsolescence" or something like that? Or in the world of massive hacking, how ephemeral electronic data because they can be easily destroyed in a split second?



    Next time you will tell us, all libraries will become virtual.



    It is true that electronic documents are becoming more in vogue. But, here in the US, and other parts of the world that I visited, paper documents are still the srandard. "Staples" and other office supplies stores sell paper in bulk, at a very cheap price, and still make a profit, because there is so much demand.









    Don't we all wish the world behaves always like we view it. But, in any case, if you are in a "printless: universe, I do hope you keep lots and lots of electronic backups, and update your backups religiously.



    Heh. He who lives by the snarky sarcasm dies by the snarky sarcasm.
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  • Reply 194 of 282
    nkhmnkhm Posts: 928member
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    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.



    Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.



    No, it doesn't. You don't achieve acceptance by dumbing down. You continue to excel.



    Apple is a market leader - not on something as bland as units sold, but in terms of brand recognition, public perception of being an innovator and as an aspiration brand. They're earning plenty of money, getting plenty of press and selling plenty of units.



    You're suggesting that Apple wants to be bigger than Microsoft, I really don't think this is the case. They want to make money - they are making plenty. If people don't buy a mac because they want to run powerpoint, then that's not the user Apple wanted. Remember "Think Different"? Maybe it's time for a return to that old marketing slogan.
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  • Reply 195 of 282
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    Where did you see that it didn't. You can certainly you can import iWork '09 and Microsoft Office documents and send them back. And the fact that it Apple built iWork '10 for the iPad, one must be braindead to think that you couldn't print to a network printer.



    And for sketching, just a peak at the new Brushes on the iPad at the 42 minute mark is amazing.



    Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.



    As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.



    No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.
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  • Reply 196 of 282
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


    You're suggesting that Apple wants to be bigger than Microsoft, I really don't think this is the case.



    If Apple wanted to compete with MS' OS marketshare it wouldn't tie every OS sale to a device.



    On a semi-unlated topic I think Jobs wants Apple to be bigger (ie: valuation) than MS before retiring.
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  • Reply 197 of 282
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.



    As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.



    No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.



    Although Apple was definitely vague on the topic, I've seen several seemingly informed sources around the web saying that file handling is very well thought out and not an issue.
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  • Reply 198 of 282
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Don't forget the last time Apple did an iPhone update and a certain poster here claimed Apple added it because they complained about it... on AppleInsider forums nonetheless.



    and Windows 7 was HIS idea...
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  • Reply 199 of 282
    [QUOTE=cgc0202;1561586]
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    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    What a vision! What sort of files or applications do you want to carry around with you, for a short time, that will require more than 64Gb. [The latter is the initial offering of the high end of this portable device? In a year or two, we could not pre predict where flash memory might have attained. In comparison, my current 6yo G4 iBook computer only has 20Gb max disk storage and I have literally hundreds of thousands of files.]



    "Bulk Storage" goes against the grain of server-portable devices in Enterprise ecosystems. Or for that matter, the direction towards cloud computing with respect to the multitude devices that can connect to the main servers.



    In fact, it is even possible that in a few years mobile storage may not even be needed because of the ubiquity in internet or remote connectivity in conjunction with cloud computing.



    Portable bulk storage does go against the grain enterprise computing where everything is kept on corporate servers, but I'm sure a lot of individuals will be buying this thing, people who don't have everything stored on a remote server. I accept that cloud storage will grow, but WiFi doesn't work anywhere on my commute and for many people in big cities *cough* New York *cough* 3G data service is anything but reliable. Subway tunnels also tend to lack wireless coverage too making local storage of entertainment media essential.



    Speaking of such media, my iTunes library won't fit on a 64GB device so I'd have to muck around with playlists, a time consuming activity I hate. That explains why I have no music at all on my iPod touch. It's reserved for apps, podcasts and photos. I have an old iPod shuffle I can quickly load with a random bunch songs if I need music on the go.



    I can't be alone either. I've started noticing people on the train tucking away their iPhones and pulling out iPod shuffles to listen to music on their way home.
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  • Reply 200 of 282
    capnbobcapnbob Posts: 388member
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    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Yeah. To imagine that it is as capable as a netbook will lead to disappointment.



    If one conceives of it as a big iPhone without the phone it is perfect in every way.



    What you fail to comprehend is that this does the things it is designed to do way better than a netbook (media consumption of all kinds) and does light input well enough for the rest of the typical use cases (facebook/twitter/email). The majority of netbook users do that all the time (all the ones I know do) and this will be superior to their netbooks 90% of the times they use it. Being a big iPhone is a massive innovation in itself since the itouch/iPhone is too small for many users and users that the iPad will be perfect for. Multi-tasking would be nice but is kind of a red-herring since the majority of the unsophisticated users will not care and in most cases (the minority of pandora users notwithstanding) the notification and instant save state works fine.



    The market for the iPad is way bigger than that for real netbook users (people who want to use it as a laptop). There has been zero software innovation for netbooks since there is no innovation in the thing to begin with. the iPad will drive immense software innovation for the Touch UI at a large screen size. Things we can't even imagine yet but some developer has had a flash of inspiration somewhere.



    You being unimpressed is entirely irrelevant to the market success of this device which Apple has spent years researching and targeting and in a market it knows infinitely better than you. You not wanting one is not an interesting statistic.
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