Importance of flash for the iPad

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I presume people have discussed this topic ad noseum already.. I don't know.



As far as I can tell, Flash provides for a rich experience on the web for the likes of me.



Curiously when I inadvertently disabled Flash on my web browser I lost some animated ads on some web pages I visited. That was a happy coincidence. It also means I will not see those annoying, undesirable animated ads on the iPad. In fact, I would hope it stays this way



How critical is it to have Flash support for the upcoming iPad?
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  • Reply 1 of 42
    This discussion has been raging on various pages. There are the die-hard flash lovers who feel live can not have meaning without it and there are others who wouldn't mind if it ceased to exist altogether.



    For some people, no Flash is the deal-breaker that makes the iPad an utter failure (though I think some of them are strenuously searching for reasons to not like the iPad). They claim they can't do this or that and that Apple is evil for not including it.



    However, the iPhone has never had Flash and people bought it anyway and have lived without Flash. Some, though, then claim that they assumed, for some reason, that Flash would come to the iPhone OS and vent that they are disappointed in Apple for not making it available, but I feel this is ungrounded. Apple is under no obligation to add any features after the point of sale, and yet they do (there have been upgrades to the OS that are free for all iPhone owners and have added many features).



    Sometimes, Apple listens to feedback; if these people really want Flash on their machines and future devices, they could do a concerted effort (signings, etc) and ask Apple to provide the feature, but Apple will do as it always has: what it wants to do and thus their efforts may or may not pay off.



    I have lived without Flash for years and am perfectly content. Others aren't. If you really want Flash, don't buy the iPad until (though very unlikely) Apple actually adds Flash to the OS. If you don't mind the absence of it, then by all means get an iPad and start enjoying it and being productive. The bashers are out in force, but the device looks pretty promising to me. It's all up to the developers now to see what they can do with Apple's tool.
  • Reply 2 of 42
    I don't know about flash porn and games sites, but I'm sure most mainstream sites will adapt for the iPad, abandoning flash for good. I don't see any benefit for supporting flash, yet there seem to be quite a few reasons not to.
  • Reply 3 of 42
    I think it would be nice to have. But to be honest I don't miss it on my iPhone. I've seen what flash is like on other smartphones and I really don't see the point, the browsers just get bogged down, they become almost unusable.



    And again, would be nice to have, but here's the important part; If it didn't suck. Flash sucks on Macs, it sucks so bad. Whenever I load up a single YT video, no matter what quality, the Mac switches to hairdryer mode.



    As for porn and all that. Uh, store the pictures and videos on the tablet itself? Heck, that's what I would do. (Okay, that's what I'm going to do. )
  • Reply 4 of 42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WiseDuck View Post


    ... Whenever I load up a single YT video, no matter what quality, the Mac switches to hairdryer mode.

    ...



    It causes the same problems on Windows.
  • Reply 5 of 42
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    There two facts that all but indisputable... tho I have no doubt people will certainly do everything they can to show how both are wrong.



    #1 Adobe Flash is a crutch that allows really bad coders write web apps that THEY would normally be unable to create*.



    * This is often because said web developer doesn't know any other way... However it might also be (properly implemented) due to the fact that many of the web browsers simply refuse to do so (cough MS) and/or because some of the html technologies needed to get the job done are not yet fully approved by the working committees but many would be shocked just how much flash is NEEDLESSLY put to use because developers are L_A_Z_Y



    #2 Adobe Flash WRITTEN BY ADOBE MIND YOU** runs like crap on the Mac platform.



    ** I feel I need to REMIND the Flash pep-squad that Apple has no DUTY to clean up crappy work when done by a 3rd party developer. Apple simply isn't in the business of rewriting a shitty 3rd part application no matter WHO they are.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PhuzzyToes View Post


    As far as I can tell, Flash provides for a rich experience on the web for the likes of me.



    Finally I had to comment on this... "Flash provides for a rich experience on the web for the likes of me." come on are you a child of one of the Flash project leaders??!?! WHO speaks like this ever about anything?!?!



    Bartender: "So what'll ya have Dave?"

    Dave: "Gimme a Busch Beer Steve! Cause I'm Headin' for the mountains!"



    But this makes another good point... If you can TELL a web site is using the crutch known as Crash... Err FLASH then Flash isn't being implemented properly.



    /sniff Can you IMAGINE?!?!?! I don't know how I can go on knowing some forums ARE NOT using vBulletin...
  • Reply 6 of 42
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,221member
    I think the point is without Flash the Ipad wont be able to "surf" the web like normal computer would. Will flash be replace or not, is it good or not is irrelevant.



    Ipad better at surfing the net than a laptop... I dont think so.

    Ipad better at playing video than a laptop... hello 4:3 aspect ratio

    Ipad better at playing games than a laptop... lol



    Seriously the only thing the Ipad will be good at is reading books/magazines/newspapers + decent laptop fonctionnality. Maybe future version will be better, but not currently.
  • Reply 7 of 42
    irelandireland Posts: 17,547member
    It won't have Flash for this reason--it doesn't "need" Flash. Increasingly there are and will be alternatives. And the good reason it doesn't have Flash is Flash on OS X runs terribly! YouTube makes my fans go crazy, the same video on YouTube in H.264 barely spins my fans. At a minimum Flash is three times more processor intensive.



    HTML5 Video Player >>>



    Try that video player. You can jump to any point in the video with no buffering. You can go fullscreen, "and" move the fullscreen control to the location you like it. But most of all your fans won't go crazy and your battery won't go downwards like it used to.
  • Reply 8 of 42
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,209moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Try that video player. You can jump to any point in the video with no buffering. You can go fullscreen, "and" move the fullscreen control to the location you like it. But most of all your fans won't go crazy and your battery won't go downwards like it used to.



    I like the skipping feature but my CPU is worse than with Flash ATM. A newer webkit will probably have some improvements for it. Are you using Chrome?



    A lot of Flash fans will be complaining because they've spent years working up Flash development skills and it will eventually be for nothing. I don't see the end of Flash any time soon though because there are no IDEs for HTML 5 animation content yet and the HTML/Javascript APIs are more limited than Actionscript.



    HTML 5 video will be a big step forward for browsers though - once Youtube and Vimeo go HTML 5 and it's working properly, they just need to drop Flash support and mandate that people upgrade to a compatible browser.



    C'mon Google, do it. Kill off ie6 once and for all.



    Imagine a world where everyone has an HTML 5 compatible browser. Out of the desperation for masses of incredibly low-budget pointless junk entertainment, people will do it.
  • Reply 9 of 42
    The majority of Youtube vids are Flash. iPads don't run Flash, so most of Youtube's content is inaccessible to iPads. That's why iPad, as is, will bomb.



    HTML 5? Dream on! There is practically no HTML 5 video content on the web. So nobody has an HTML 5 player. So nobody codes/compiles for HTML 5.

    It's the chicken and the egg.
  • Reply 10 of 42
    irelandireland Posts: 17,547member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rokcet Scientist View Post


    The majority of Youtube vids are Flash. iPads don't run Flash, so most of Youtube's content is inaccessible to iPads. That's why iPad, as is, will bomb.



    Don't want to be too blunt, but you don't know what you're talking about.
  • Reply 11 of 42
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,780member
    This article has a good deal of background info on the HTML5 vs. Flash war.



    The biggest problem with HTML5 video adoption is the lack of compatible browsers, development tools and optimized video production applications.



    Guess what company has a compatible browser, is an expert on building development tools and is currently doing a major rewrite of its video editing suite?





    Yeah, that's right. Enjoy the show people.
  • Reply 12 of 42
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    I could understand on the iPhone and the iTouch. But on the iPad (basically a pimped out personal media player) which is suppose to give you the full web browsing experience in your hand, it's certainly a deficiency.



    Whether it keeps people from buying the iPad is going to be an interesting question. What is sure though, is that for the first time, more people are going to notice the lack of Flash integration on an iDevice than ever before.
  • Reply 13 of 42
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,989member
    Maybe if Flash wasn't so shit, on ANY platform besides Windows, then there wouldn't be any hate.



    Adobe is the only one who can fix it.



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  • Reply 14 of 42
    Youtube is moving to HTML5. That feature is in beta right now. Goto http://youtube.com/testtube and sign up for it. For content with HTML5, you will automatically get it.
  • Reply 15 of 42
    Yes, it may avoid annoying flash ads while browsing. Anyway it is not a plus point of Apple. Apple says "best browsing experience", but we can't browse any flash websites or play any flash games. There are lots of websites which offers free flash games. This might be some issues with Adobe (I don't know). Let's hope that Apple fixes the problem!
  • Reply 16 of 42
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,221member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aroshu123 View Post


    Yes, it may avoid annoying flash ads while browsing. Anyway it is not a plus point of Apple. Apple says "best browsing experience", but we can't browse any flash websites or play any flash games. There are lots of websites which offers free flash games. This might be some issues with Adobe (I don't know). Let's hope that Apple fixes the problem!



    This! They need to patch the Ipad solfware to at least allow flash videos or its going to be a very downgraded web browsing experience. Since web broswing is a main feature of the device, it needs to work.



    Seriously, it they are nerfing the Ipad just to force the use of Itunes for videos they are shooting themselves in the foot bigtime.
  • Reply 17 of 42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


    Seriously, it they are nerfing the Ipad just to force the use of Itunes for videos they are shooting themselves in the foot bigtime.



    they're not forcing the use of iTunes... They're forcing the adoptation of html5. And it's going to work.
  • Reply 18 of 42
    daveswdavesw Posts: 406member
    i don't think flash is critical. Ads, games, videos, etc. these are things i don't find important.



    if people want to play games, they should download one of the thousands of games available in the app store. for videos, there's an app for that.
  • Reply 19 of 42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rokcet Scientist View Post


    The majority of Youtube vids are Flash. iPads don't run Flash, so most of Youtube's content is inaccessible to iPads. That's why iPad, as is, will bomb.



    HTML 5? Dream on! There is practically no HTML 5 video content on the web. So nobody has an HTML 5 player. So nobody codes/compiles for HTML 5.

    It's the chicken and the egg.



    There is html content on the web and it is in beta stage on youtube. You can try it http://www.youtube.com/html5 But only selected browsers can do this. And you cannot view html5 videos on youtube with a Firefox
  • Reply 20 of 42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post


    They're forcing the adoptation of html5. And it's going to work.



    I'm not so sure about that. 80% of Youtube/online videos is Flash ...and thus presently inaccessible to iPads! I don't see those 80% getting converted to HTML5 anytime soon. Which would leave iPad users without Youtube/online videos. I don't think they'll fall in droves for that proposition.
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